Vietnam

[quizzer]

Jan 10, 2014 2:11:16 GMT -5 trungnguyen2006 said:

Jan 7, 2014 17:53:15 GMT -5 @review005 said:

Minh Thanh:

You wrote-

"The other local workers in Vietnam as I had mentioned previously are recruited by Darrel and receive money from him. They dare not to say anything against them (Dale, Darrel, Lyle)."

How many local sisters?

Are they all recruite d by Darrel?

What do you mean recruited by Darrel?

I thought workers felt or hear a calling from God and go into the work? Is it different in Vietnam? 

Were Chau and Hoa the same? recruited by Uncle Fred Allen?

Did they receive money from Fred or other foreign workers? That is normal and ok.

I understand  workers worldwide  share money given to them with other workers. I know in South America they share so that all can live and travel and share the gospel.

Review005, I have the same question with CD for you, Where do you live? ( I guess that you are in Vietnam, correct me if I'm wrong because in your question make me "feel" about you)

To let you know that I have been sharing on this board for a few months ago, you may have to come back to the page of 14 or 15 to read for a better understanding if you wish to know. ( But I think that you have already know it...)

I your question regarding sister workers and those who are recruited by Darrel, I would like to let you know that if this 2x2 system accept a married woman like me to go the the work then I would offer my life, because:
1. there are some sister workers, after breaking with their boyfriend went to the work. Although, they had kissing and carrying each other in the public area which is not allow for a vietnamese girl to do so. Do you want me to name them here?
2. To be a worker will have a much easier life than before. You will have a nice motorbike, using smart phone, traveling by air plane, living in a expensive apartment while I have to go to work for more than 10 hours a day, and working overtime in the night still have not enough to buy such an expensive moto bike like wokers. If the worker lost his motobike today, they easily got a new one tomorow. Again, do you want me to name that worker here?
So, the meaning of recruiting my Darrel is that they follow the example of Darrel, have a very easy life, appearance like a business man, never think of why we have to save money for the poor people...

I understand part 2, about the worker's life being easy. I knew a young man in the meetings - he used to brag to those of us who work about how easy he would have it in the work. He wouldn't have to work, he could sleep in - he stayed in the work for a few years before leaving. I really feel sorry for those he thought he "influenced."

[CherieKropp]

I for one have NEVER thought being a worker was easy.  Workers get to do very little of what they personally want to do--especially the younger one. They really need more down time--more personal time.

That's one of the reasons why I often recommend the workers all have batches (like all the Vietnamese workers do!) before the stress gets to them.  When you stop and consider it, it's odd that in the more affluent countries where there are lots of friends, the workers dont batch; yet the workers do live in baches in the poorer countries.  Go figure!

Nate wrote: So, this young man learned he couldn't sleep in too many days when he was in the work. The work wasn't an easy life as he thought or he wouldn't have left after a few years. Many people have an impression life as a worker is easy, rosy, no stress.... A person doesn't really know what's a REAL stressful life is until you become a worker yourself.

[lazarus66]

Welcome to all that post that are from VN. I think if you keep fighting the good fight with a good spirit, you will also have more power as there is also truth behind your efforts.
Keep the love for Chau and all that suffer as he does. He seems to be a man of God.

[quizzer]

Jan 10, 2014 19:08:39 GMT -5 NathanB said:

Jan 10, 2014 18:35:26 GMT -5 quizzer said:

I understand part 2, about the worker's life being easy. I knew a young man in the meetings - he used to brag to those of us who work about how easy he would have it in the work. He wouldn't have to work, he could sleep in - he stayed in the work for a few years before leaving. I really feel sorry for those he thought he "influenced."

This young man learned real soon, he couldn't sleep in too many days when he was in the work. The work wasn't an easy life as he thought or he wouldn't have left after a few years. Many people have an impression life as a worker is easy, rosy, no stress.... A person doesn't really know what's a REAL stressful life is until you become a worker yourself.

Darrel T. controlled some of the Canadians friends trust funds, he was able having to buy things! for himself and his staff.... It seems these Canadians workers can't live like the native workers or people level. They had it too good of workers' lifestyle in their homeland. They wanted it the same way of living in VN... The natives and the friends in VN can see and compare the examples between them and the two native brothers. The Canadians lifestyle and thinking are not suitable for Vietnam.

This young worker didn't learn that if you want to play around with women in the work, you can't be obvious. So, he got to leave the work, get a job, and get married.

[vutrunghien]

Yes the spelling error is my fault and I will try to fix it when I get home. When I started this thread I had no idea it would develop as much as it has. Although English is my mother tongue (I was born and raised in Canada . same province as Dale Shultz and Morris Grovum ), I have lived and worked in Sweden using the Swedish language for over 40 years now, and my English spelling isn't always very good. I try to use the spell checker when I think of it, but it doesn't seem to check the subject line.

Thank you for the picture -- and most of all, for your presence here on this board. It adds much credibility to the issue - especially when you have the courage and integrity to use your name and picture (as the other Vietnamese posters also do). 

Thank you, EdgarMassey , for having the correct spelling of Vietnam and my first name.

During the past 30 years, since I settled in the USA, whenever I write anything on the newspaper or internet, I've always used my real name, for I believe that whatever I write down a sentence to share with readers, it has to reflect the truth, or at least, my true feeling.
And I take responsibility for what I am writing.

You mentioned Saskatchewan, where you grew up, and this name brings back the memory I had with Morris Grovum and Darrel Turner about 14 years ago, when I returned to VN the first time and visited Hanoi with my brother Vu Ngoc Chau.

Brother Chau and I spent the night at a cheap boarding facility for college students where we were both attacked by hungry mosquitoes which had a feast on our blood through the mosquito net !

If I remember correctly, either Morris or Darrel took me on their motor cycle to a Gospel meeting at a house in the outskirts of Hanoi, and told me the meaning of Saskatoon, Saskatchewan :"Swift Flowing Water"

It was a time when the 2X2 servants of God (Canadian and Vietnamese) still had their "honey moon" (both sides seemed to love and respect each other).

The next day, a newly-converted believer, Nhung, and her older sister, treated us to a very nice dinner at their house.

Nhung not only provided us with delicious food, but showed much respect for brother Chau.


I am quite sad to learn that recently, Nhung and the 2X2 believers in Hanoi have completely turned against Chau, to show their "loyalty and submission" to the current overseers !


VTH

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VTH, I have heard that there were 4 meetings in Hanoi a few years ago and there are 2 today. Is that information correct?

[CherieKropp]

Which is the more prosperous city?  Hanoi or Saigon? 

Where is the Canadian Overseers headquarters?

[vutrunghien]

Jan 11, 2014 13:47:58 GMT -5 @clearday said:

VTH, I have heard that there were 4 meetings in Hanoi a few years ago and there are 2 today. Is that information correct?


Clearday, I have no information regarding that. 
Probably Minh Thanh or someone in Vietnam can give you the answer.

VTH

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Jan 11, 2014 14:31:41 GMT -5 vutrunghien said:

Jan 11, 2014 13:47:58 GMT -5 @clearday said:

VTH, I have heard that there were 4 meetings in Hanoi a few years ago and there are 2 today. Is that information correct?


Clearday, I have no information regarding that. 
Probably Minh Thanh or someone in Vietnam can give you the answer.

VTH

Thanks VTH!

[fixit]

Jan 11, 2014 14:00:53 GMT -5 CherieKropp said:

Which is the more prosperous city?  Hanoi or Saigon? 

Where is the Canadian Overseers headquarters?

Saigon is larger, and seems to be growing faster:

english.vov.vn/Economy/HCM-Citys-GDP-higher-than-Hanoi/265188.vov

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Jan 11, 2014 14:50:21 GMT -5 fixit said:

Jan 11, 2014 14:00:53 GMT -5 CherieKropp said:

Which is the more prosperous city?  Hanoi or Saigon? 

Where is the Canadian Overseers headquarters?

Saigon is larger, and seems to be growing faster:

english.vov.vn/Economy/HCM-Citys-GDP-higher-than-Hanoi/265188.vov

My information is that there were many more friends in Saigon/HCMC than Hanoi. The main reason is that South VN was open to the workers up to the exit of the Americans in the early '70's while the North had been closed, particularly during the VN war, for obvious reasons.

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Jan 11, 2014 11:55:14 GMT -5 vutrunghien said:

Thank you, EdgarMassey , for having the correct spelling of Vietnam and my first name.

During the past 30 years, since I settled in the USA, whenever I write anything on the newspaper or internet, I've always used my real name, for I believe that whatever I write down a sentence to share with readers, it has to reflect the truth, or at least, my true feeling.
And I take responsibility for what I am writing.

You mentioned Saskatchewan, where you grew up, and this name brings back the memory I had with Morris Grovum and Darrel Turner about 14 years ago, when I returned to VN the first time and visited Hanoi with my brother Vu Ngoc Chau.

Brother Chau and I spent the night at a cheap boarding facility for college students where we were both attacked by hungry mosquitoes which had a feast on our blood through the mosquito net !

If I remember correctly, either Morris or Darrel took me on their motor cycle to a Gospel meeting at a house in the outskirts of Hanoi, and told me the meaning of Saskatoon, Saskatchewan :"Swift Flowing Water"

It was a time when the 2X2 servants of God (Canadian and Vietnamese) still had their "honey moon" (both sides seemed to love and respect each other).

The next day, a newly-converted believer, Nhung, and her older sister, treated us to a very nice dinner at their house.

Nhung not only provided us with delicious food, but showed much respect for brother Chau.


I am quite sad to learn that recently, Nhung and the 2X2 believers in Hanoi have completely turned against Chau, to show their "loyalty and submission" to the current overseers !


VTH

Thank you for your post -- and your description of some of the better memories that you have of the workers in Vietnam.  It is some of these pleasant memories that make the present situation so tragic. Morris was my last companion in Saskatchewan before I left for Sweden (1973) -- and I too have good memories of our time together. Yes the word Saskatchewan means 'swift running water' which is a paradox because Saskatchewan is the dryest province in Canada -- in the middle of the prairies. I guess it gets its name from the one big river running through the province. 

I feel the pain as you describe the past good times with people, who now have turned their backs on your brother. Especially my wife feels this way as well -- She says 'I opened my home for all the workers and friends for many many years -- and then all of a sudden they just turned their backs on us all-- and openly betrayed that friendship that I had thought and believed was genuine.'  

But inspite of that pain -- we now feel that it was Gods hand leading us out of something ugly, that apart from this experience we would likely still be part of.

We think of your brother and feel for the frustration and pain he must be feeling .. Give him our most heartfelt greetings and love when you have contact with him. (if it is suitable to do so!)

[CherieKropp]

MT wrote earlier that:  Uncle Châu will return to VN on 6th January 2014.

Does anyone know for sure that he returned then? 

And what has be been doing since then?

Has he visited with the VN government yet?

[trungnguyen2006]

Jan 11, 2014 17:31:38 GMT -5 CherieKropp said:

MT wrote earlier that:  Uncle Châu will return to VN on 6th January 2014.

Does anyone know for sure that he returned then? 

And what has be been doing since then?

Has he visited with the VN government yet?

Cherie,
Uncle Chau has returned from Cambodia on Jan 6, and he traveled to Hanoi for meetings. He has not visited the governement yet.
For your information that the governement now is working out about the presence of all the foreigners workers in Vietnam...
Hoan Nguyen

[minhthanh]

Jan 11, 2014 17:31:38 GMT -5 CherieKropp said:

MT wrote earlier that:  Uncle Châu will return to VN on 6th January 2014.

Does anyone know for sure that he returned then? 

And what has be been doing since then?

Has he visited with the VN government yet?

Uncle Chau went to Hanoi on Wednesday for start the special meeting there. He will back to Saigon tomorrow. And take part in some other places before he has his free time. 
He had a short visit at my house  taken his heavy cloth, because It is cold in Ha Noi. We are so happy to meet him, especially his niece (my neighbour).

[CherieKropp]

RE:  Your special meetings - So Hanoi holds them in January--how long are they? 
In America our sp mtgs are just one day (Sunday) with 2 meetings.
When will the Sp Mtg be held in Saigon?

So glad you got to see Uncle Chau! 

[Scott Ross]

For your information that the governement now is working out about the presence of all the foreigners workers in Vietnam..

Good.

[Jesse_Lackman]

Jan 11, 2014 19:58:52 GMT -5 CherieKropp said:

In America our sp mtgs are just one day (Sunday) with 2 meetings.

"Our"?? When is the last time you were at a special meeting?

[sharingtheriches]

Jan 11, 2014 20:14:18 GMT -5 Scott Ross said:

For your information that the governement now is working out about the presence of all the foreigners workers in Vietnam..

Good.

Does this perhaps carry a likelihood of the foreign workers to be booted out of VN?

[Scott Ross]

Jan 11, 2014 20:42:59 GMT -5 sharingtheriches said:

Jan 11, 2014 20:14:18 GMT -5 Scott Ross said:

Good.

Does this perhaps carry a likelihood of the foreign workers to be booted out of VN?

Sounds like at least some of them are there under false pretenses, so maybe they will be arrested and deported.

[CherieKropp]

Notice neither Chau or Hoa are on this photo of South East Asia 2013.
 


In case you are not familiar with the usage of first names only (English names) on the Workers Convention photos, they are used to protect the native workers. With that in mind, it would appear that there is one native brother (Tim) and eight sisters (Trudy, Ruby, Tracy, Valarie, Annie, Shawna, Lyrie). These "new native" sisters are given a name by the foreigners that is easier to pronounce and remember. The name is often given by the worker they profess or made contact through.

[CherieKropp]

Speaking Lists...

Singapore Convention Dec 12 - 15, 2013
Thu eve Lawrence Lakai, Heno Marling

Friday
AM Lloyd Morgan, Mary David (Sri Lanka), Fong May Lin, Shawna
PM Wrex Buxton, Vivien Arulsingham, Elainemarie Atcheson, Lana
Eve Jonathan Wright (Chile), Tim, Quynh Ahn
Saturday
AM Colin Brodie, Merle Schulz, Gloria Goh, Lynette Tan
PM Darrel Turner, Joan Willsher, Ann-Maree Sylvester, Patricia Tan
Eve Ian Johnston, Lyrie Trudy
Sunday
AM Jonathan Wright, Mila Quinto (Philippines), Valarie
PM Morris Grovum, Joo Khiang, Ruby, Tracy
Eve Wallace Mackay, Anne Malcolm, Annie

Port Dickson Malaysia 2013

THURSDAY
4:30 Ian Johnson, Peter Hawkins, Kho Joo, Khiang, Annie
7:30 Lyle Schultz, Heno Marling, Quynh Anh
FRIDAY
10:00 Wrex Buxton, Mary David, Mila Quinto, Patricia Tan
3:30 Colin Brodie, Elainemarie Atcheson, Lynette Tan, Shawna
7:00 Jonathon Wright, Tim, Tracy
SATURDAY
10:00 Darrel Turner, Merle Schulz, Vivien Arulsingam, Lyrie
3:30 Lloyd Morgan, Gloria Goh, Valarie, Trudy
7:00 Lawrence Lakai, Lana, Ruby
SUNDAY
9:30 Lyle Schultz, Wallace Mackay, Joan Willsher, Fong May Lin
1:00 Jonathan Wright, Ann-Maree Sylvester, Ann Malcolm

[fixit]

Jan 11, 2014 20:35:40 GMT -5 Jesse_Lackman said:

Jan 11, 2014 19:58:52 GMT -5 CherieKropp said:

In America our sp mtgs are just one day (Sunday) with 2 meetings.

"Our"?? When is the last time you were at a special meeting?

Cherie was raised in this fellowship and professing culture the same as most of us here, so I don't have a problem with her referring to "our" special meetings.

[quizzer]

Jan 11, 2014 23:11:58 GMT -5 fixit said:

Jan 11, 2014 20:35:40 GMT -5 Jesse_Lackman said:

"Our"?? When is the last time you were at a special meeting?

Cherie was raised in this fellowship and professing culture the same as most of us here, so I don't have a problem with her referring to "our" special meetings.

True, that. Plus, Cherie's info is correct for Sunday special meetings. Wednesday special meetings are one meeting in the evening.

[lazarus66]

It was my understanding that Saigon was called Ho Chi Minn (spelling??) City, after the Americans left in 1975. Is this a regional thing, or is Saigon used so people will not get confused?

[minhthanh]

Jan 11, 2014 19:58:52 GMT -5 CherieKropp said:

RE:  Your special meetings - So Hanoi holds them in January--how long are they? 
In America our sp mtgs are just one day (Sunday) with 2 meetings.
When will the Sp Mtg be held in Saigon?

So glad you got to see Uncle Chau! 

The same as you just one day (Sunday) with 2 meetings. Start in Ha Noi... back to the South... then finaline in Saigon at the end of this month.

Thank you for the new photo you just post... Some cause my missing, some cause my feeling afraid with what they had been doing. I know almost of them.

I happy that my three old local workers I appreciate the best weren’t present in the picture…
(Sister Mai Hoa still pain in her leg, couldn't being there).

[minhthanh]

Jan 10, 2014 21:52:26 GMT -5 lazarus66 said:

Welcome to all that post that are from VN. I think if you keep fighting the good fight with a good spirit, you will also have more power as there is also truth behind your efforts.
Keep the love for Chau and all that suffer as he does. He seems to be a man of God.

Here is a worker of God... working under the leading of The Sprit of God.
I am worried when he on his way alone. But He said very confirm "I can see clearly God's has been being with us, arranging and blessing  us. Never mind God will take care of me".
Truly, not only our Lord in the heaven watch for him, we also phone him very often.
Knowing that he had travel more than 2000Km, visitting friends in 11 places, and there are 3 souls professed.
With his hard working within 3 months we have had 6 new friends

[CherieKropp]

Jan 12, 2014 8:19:53 GMT -5 minhthanh said:

Jan 11, 2014 19:58:52 GMT -5 CherieKropp said:

RE:  Your special meetings - So Hanoi holds them in January--how long are they? 
In America our sp mtgs are just one day (Sunday) with 2 meetings.
When will the Sp Mtg be held in Saigon?

So glad you got to see Uncle Chau! 

The same as you just one day (Sunday) with 2 meetings. Start in Ha Noi... back to the South... then finaline in Saigon at the end of this month.

Thank you for the new photo you just post... Some cause my missing, some cause my feeling afraid with what they had been doing. I know almost of them.

I happy that my three local workers I appreciate the best weren’t present in the picture…

MT:  I believe there are Sp. Mtgs twice a year in VN.  When are the other Sp Mtgs held.
And are they held in the same places as the ones held in January?
When you refer to "local" workers - do you mean "native Vietnamese" workers? 
"Local" workers in America would be those assigned to the fields in which the Friend lives.
Thanks for the clarification.