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Post by sacerdotal on May 21, 2013 23:39:41 GMT -5
To those of you currently oppressed by the current and past unjust 2x2 policies by the workers- such as denial of marriage to current workers, and dozens of man made rules designed to show will worship- but not actual worship- consider Susan B. Anthony. "Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God."In response to the unfairness of the "trial", Anthony repeatedly ignored the judge's admonishments to stop talking at the delivery of the verdict, finally stating: "May it please your honour, I will never pay a dollar of your unjust penalty. All the stock in trade I possess is a debt of $10,000, incurred by publishing my paper - The Revolution - the sole object of which was to educate all women to do precisely as I have done, rebel against your man-made, unjust, unconstitutional forms of law, which tax, fine, imprison and hang women, while denying them the right of representation in the government; and I will work on with might and mine to pay every dollar of that honest debt, but not a penny shall go to this unjust claim. And I shall earnestly and persistently continue to urge all women to the practical recognition of the old Revolutionary maxim, "Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God." The sentence was a $100 fine, but not imprisonment; true to her word in court ("I shall never pay a dollar of your unjust penalty"), she never paid the fine for the rest of her life, and an embarrassed U.S. Government took no collection action against her. After her trial Anthony petitioned the US Congress to remove the fine in January 1874.[19] Susan B. Anthony - Wikipedia ArticlePreach it sister.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2013 0:48:05 GMT -5
wouldnt stop talking while being judged shows her contempt ? === when people in the bible were judged like paul and jesus they were respectful of the law and paul and jesus etc left the issues of the world for the world to care for they didnt cloak arrogance and worldly meddling in righteousness
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2013 7:14:40 GMT -5
wouldnt stop talking while being judged shows her contempt ? === when people in the bible were judged like paul and jesus they were respectful of the law and paul and jesus etc left the issues of the world for the world to care for they didnt cloak arrogance and worldly meddling in righteousness I'll summarize the point of this thread, maybe it will help (or maybe not): Contempt for injustice is a virtue.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2013 8:09:19 GMT -5
Contempt for injustice is a virtue, yes to that; however I say: "and Blessed are those who are persecuted" - Mt 5(10-12)
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Post by sacerdotal on May 22, 2013 8:53:59 GMT -5
Contempt for injustice is a virtue, yes to that; however I say: "and Blessed are those who are persecuted" - Mt 5(10-12) Susan B. Anthony was persecuted because she had contempt for injustice, and in that light persecution was a blessing- especially to those that she "freed". Persecution, in and of itself, isn't a blessing- as in the case of a criminal or other wrong doers. As it is written elsewhere in the New Testament, it is when we are persecuted for doing right- that there is a blessing.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2013 9:03:34 GMT -5
Contempt for injustice is a virtue, yes to that; however I say: "and Blessed are those who are persecuted" - Mt 5(10-12) Change the word "however" to "and" and I agree with you. The two principles should not oppose each other.
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Post by sacerdotal on May 22, 2013 9:03:39 GMT -5
wouldnt stop talking while being judged shows her contempt ? === when people in the bible were judged like paul and jesus they were respectful of the law and paul and jesus etc left the issues of the world for the world to care for they didnt cloak arrogance and worldly meddling in righteousness So, you are saying Susan B. Anthony was arrogant and was meddling in the world? Did you go and read entire article? If so, you would have never written what you just wrote- at least I hope that you wouldn't. The 14th Amendment of the United States gave all citizens equal rights. Ms. Anthony went and voted. And was jailed because she did so. Her case went all the way to the Supreme Court of the United States. And the chief justice was an unjust judge. He had already written the verdict BEFORE he heard her case. He wouldn't allow her to speak for herself. But, because she had COURAGE IN THE RIGHT and CARE FOR THE OPPRESSED she was bold before that unjust judge- and because of her stance- women in the United States were finally given the rights that they were already supposed to have according to the law of the land. So, Hopwood/Bert- who was breaking the law- the one that followed the law and was arrested for it, or the one (the Chief Justice) that had the highest responsibility to uphold the law- but that refused to do so? At one convention that I was at, an elder sister worker said the following cultish statement- are you ready for it- I know that you will agree with it: "Our friends never talk about their rights, but their privledges." The implications of that statement are the reason that there has been so much hurt within the fellowship. Submission even to the wrong is taught as a virtue.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 22, 2013 17:19:53 GMT -5
wouldnt stop talking while being judged shows her contempt ? === when people in the bible were judged like paul and jesus they were respectful of the law and paul and jesus etc left the issues of the world for the world to care for they didnt cloak arrogance and worldly meddling in righteousness So, you are saying Susan B. Anthony was arrogant and was meddling in the world? Did you go and read entire article? If so, you would have never written what you just wrote- at least I hope that you wouldn't. The 14th Amendment of the United States gave all citizens equal rights. Ms. Anthony went and voted. And was jailed because she did so. Her case went all the way to the Supreme Court of the United States. And the chief justice was an unjust judge. He had already written the verdict BEFORE he heard her case. He wouldn't allow her to speak for herself. But, because she had COURAGE IN THE RIGHT and CARE FOR THE OPPRESSED she was bold before that unjust judge- and because of her stance- women in the United States were finally given the rights that they were already supposed to have according to the law of the land. So, Hopwood/Bert- who was breaking the law- the one that followed the law and was arrested for it, or the one (the Chief Justice) that had the highest responsibility to uphold the law- but that refused to do so? At one convention that I was at, an elder sister worker said the following cultish statement- are you ready for it- I know that you will agree with it: "Our friends never talk about their rights, but their privledges." The implications of that statement are the reason that there has been so much hurt within the fellowship. Submission even to the wrong is taught as a virtue. Thanks for your post on Susan B. Anthony!
She is one of my favorite sheros!
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Post by dmmichgood on May 23, 2013 0:05:36 GMT -5
wouldnt stop talking while being judged shows her contempt ? === when people in the bible were judged like paul and jesus they were respectful of the law and paul and jesus etc left the issues of the world for the world to care forthey didnt cloak arrogance and worldly meddling in righteousness That was the excuse that the workers used to keep people from taking any part in their government, including even voting.
Would you have been not "arrogant" & just let Hitler kill anyone he wanted to?
No matter how unjust a government could be from not allowing blacks to vote or women to vote (as was the condition that Susan B. Anthony was against) would you just allow that to go on without any protest?
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Post by dmmichgood on May 23, 2013 0:16:30 GMT -5
<div class="quote" source="/post/531540/thread" timestamp="1369201685" author="@hopwood"><div class="quote_body"><div class="quote_avatar_container"><div class="avatar-wrapper avatar_size_quote avatar-2196"><img src="http://images.proboards.com/v5/av_default_male.png" alt="hopwood Avatar"></div></div><div class="quote_header"><a href="/post/531540/thread"><abbr data-timestamp="1369201685000" class="time" title="May 22, 2013 0:48:05 GMT -5">May 22, 2013 0:48:05 GMT -5</abbr></a> <span itemscope="" itemtype="http://schema.org/Person"><a href="/user/2196" class="user-link user-2196 group-0" itemprop="url" title="@hopwood"><span itemprop="name">hopwood</span></a></span> said:</div>wouldnt stop talking while being judged shows her contempt <img src="http://images.proboards.com/v5/images/smiley/huh.png" alt=" " text=" ">? === when people in the bible were judged like paul and jesus they were respectful of the law<br>and paul and jesus etc <b>left the issues of the world for the world to care for</b><br>they didnt cloak <u>arrogance</u> and worldly meddling in righteousness<div class="quote_clear"></div></div></div><br><br><b><font color="1919e6">That was the excuse that the workers used to keep people from taking any part in their government, including even voting.<br><br>Would you have been not "arrogant" & just let Hitler kill anyone he wanted to?<br><br>No matter how unjust a government could be from not allowing blacks to vote or women to vote (as was the condition that Susan B. Anthony was against) would you just allow that to go on without any protest? <br><br></font></b> hopwood Full Member ***
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If a man speaks in the forest and there is no woman to hear him, is he still wrong?Do you have a problem with women?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2013 10:58:35 GMT -5
says she wouldnt stop talking when the judge was speaking to her --- you meet people like that and pretty soon you forget what their paritcular *** issue of the day *** is and begin to see who THEY are and it doesnt matter what the issue is --- solve it and such people simply find another because they think themselves more righteous than other
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2013 11:05:47 GMT -5
says she wouldnt stop talking when the judge was speaking to her --- you meet people like that and pretty soon you forget what their paritcular *** issue of the day *** is and begin to see who THEY are and it doesnt matter what the issue is --- solve it and such people simply find another because they think themselves more righteous than other
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Post by jondough on May 23, 2013 11:33:18 GMT -5
says she wouldnt stop talking when the judge was speaking to her --- you meet people like that and pretty soon you forget what their paritcular *** issue of the day *** is and begin to see who THEY are and it doesnt matter what the issue is --- solve it and such people simply find another because they think themselves more righteous than other Hopwood, This might not have been the thread you would want to make that argument my friend. I'm not sure that the results of Susan B Anthony would support your statement.
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Post by What Hat on May 23, 2013 12:27:48 GMT -5
So, you are saying Susan B. Anthony was arrogant and was meddling in the world? Did you go and read entire article? If so, you would have never written what you just wrote- at least I hope that you wouldn't. The 14th Amendment of the United States gave all citizens equal rights. Ms. Anthony went and voted. And was jailed because she did so. Her case went all the way to the Supreme Court of the United States. And the chief justice was an unjust judge. He had already written the verdict BEFORE he heard her case. He wouldn't allow her to speak for herself. But, because she had COURAGE IN THE RIGHT and CARE FOR THE OPPRESSED she was bold before that unjust judge- and because of her stance- women in the United States were finally given the rights that they were already supposed to have according to the law of the land. So, Hopwood/Bert- who was breaking the law- the one that followed the law and was arrested for it, or the one (the Chief Justice) that had the highest responsibility to uphold the law- but that refused to do so? At one convention that I was at, an elder sister worker said the following cultish statement- are you ready for it- I know that you will agree with it: "Our friends never talk about their rights, but their privledges." The implications of that statement are the reason that there has been so much hurt within the fellowship. Submission even to the wrong is taught as a virtue. Thanks for your post on Susan B. Anthony!
She is one of my favorite sheros!
How are you on Fred? You know, the former coach of the Philadelphia Flyers. He's not one of my favourite shero's I can tell you; they were a dirty bunch of players.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 23, 2013 14:06:13 GMT -5
Thanks for your post on Susan B. Anthony!
She is one of my favorite sheros!
How are you on Fred? You know, the former coach of the Philadelphia Flyers. He's not one of my favourite shero's I can tell you; they were a dirty bunch of players. I'm not understanding your post & connection to my post on Susan B. as a shero.
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Post by jondough on May 23, 2013 14:33:27 GMT -5
How are you on Fred? You know, the former coach of the Philadelphia Flyers. He's not one of my favourite shero's I can tell you; they were a dirty bunch of players. I'm not understanding your post & connection to my post on Susan B. as a shero.
I think he was being facetious. From Wiki; Frederick Alexander "The Fog" Shero[1] (October 23, 1925 – November 24, 1990) was a Canadian professional ice hockey player, coach, and general manager. He played for the New York Rangers of the National Hockey League (NHL). However, he spent most of his playing career in the minor leagues. Following his playing career, he went into coaching, spending 13 years coaching in the minor leagues before making it to the NHL. As an NHL head coach, Shero won the Stanley Cup twice with the Philadelphia Flyers (1974 and 1975) and reached the Stanley Cup Finals three times in Philadelphia (1974, 1975, and 1976). He also had four consecutive seasons of having a 0.700 or better winning percentage and remains the Flyers all-time leader in coaching victories. Shero controversially left the Flyers following the 1977–78 season to become the head coach of the New York Rangers, whom he led to the Stanley Cup Finals in his first season. He resigned from the Rangers after coaching for less than three seasons. Shero had a unique style of coaching that led to several innovations that are still used today. He was the first coach to hire a full-time assistant coach, employ systems, have his players use in season strength training, study film, and he was one of the first coaches to utilize a morning skate. He was known for his enigmatic and introverted personality often appearing or disappearing from a room unnoticed, or being completely lost in thought.[2] He often left philosophical sayings on a chalkboard as a way of provoking thought or as a motivational tool. Prior to game six of the 1974 Stanley Cup Finals, Shero wrote his now famous quote "Win today and we walk together forever" - a statement that continues to be quoted to this day
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Post by snow on May 23, 2013 15:09:01 GMT -5
says she wouldnt stop talking when the judge was speaking to her --- you meet people like that and pretty soon you forget what their paritcular *** issue of the day *** is and begin to see who THEY are and it doesnt matter what the issue is --- solve it and such people simply find another because they think themselves more righteous than other You really don't seem to understand the difference of standing up for the oppressed and being self righteous and judgmental of others yet doing nothing to help. There is a huge difference between condemning others in a self righteous manner and speaking out about issues that need to be addressed so changes can be made for the better. I don't usually see the self righteous and judgmental people doing much to change anything, rather they just condemn and then turn and walk away.
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Post by What Hat on May 23, 2013 17:57:04 GMT -5
I'm not understanding your post & connection to my post on Susan B. as a shero.
I think he was being facetious. From Wiki; Frederick Alexander "The Fog" Shero[1] (October 23, 1925 – November 24, 1990) was a Canadian professional ice hockey player, coach, and general manager. He played for the New York Rangers of the National Hockey League (NHL). However, he spent most of his playing career in the minor leagues. Following his playing career, he went into coaching, spending 13 years coaching in the minor leagues before making it to the NHL. As an NHL head coach, Shero won the Stanley Cup twice with the Philadelphia Flyers (1974 and 1975) and reached the Stanley Cup Finals three times in Philadelphia (1974, 1975, and 1976). He also had four consecutive seasons of having a 0.700 or better winning percentage and remains the Flyers all-time leader in coaching victories. Shero controversially left the Flyers following the 1977–78 season to become the head coach of the New York Rangers, whom he led to the Stanley Cup Finals in his first season. He resigned from the Rangers after coaching for less than three seasons. Shero had a unique style of coaching that led to several innovations that are still used today. He was the first coach to hire a full-time assistant coach, employ systems, have his players use in season strength training, study film, and he was one of the first coaches to utilize a morning skate. He was known for his enigmatic and introverted personality often appearing or disappearing from a room unnoticed, or being completely lost in thought.[2] He often left philosophical sayings on a chalkboard as a way of provoking thought or as a motivational tool. Prior to game six of the 1974 Stanley Cup Finals, Shero wrote his now famous quote "Win today and we walk together forever" - a statement that continues to be quoted to this day No. I was completely sherious.
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Post by dmmichgood on May 24, 2013 17:44:43 GMT -5
OK - so you guys don't get it- When I talk about Susan B. Anthony being a shero I am using it in place of hero!
Why should HE have a word for being courageous- HERO but a woman SHE, not having her own term for be courageous- SHERO.
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Post by jondough on May 24, 2013 17:56:20 GMT -5
OK - so you guys don't get it- When I talk about Susan B. Anthony being a shero I am using it in place of hero!
Why should HE have a word for being courageous- HERO but a woman SHE, not having her own term for be courageous- SHERO. I got your cleaver play on the word, and i guarantee What did as well. He was just coming back at you with his .
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Post by dmmichgood on May 24, 2013 18:16:20 GMT -5
OK - so you guys don't get it- When I talk about Susan B. Anthony being a shero I am using it in place of hero!
Why should HE have a word for being courageous- HERO but a woman SHE, not having her own term for be courageous- SHERO. I got your cleaver play on the word, and i guarantee What did as well. He was just coming back at you with his . did you mean "cleaver," as in chopping something, or "clever"?
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Post by Greg on May 24, 2013 20:15:28 GMT -5
OK - so you guys don't get it- When I talk about Susan B. Anthony being a shero I am using it in place of hero!
Why should HE have a word for being courageous- HERO but a woman SHE, not having her own term for be courageous- SHERO. SBA, a famous woman in herstory?
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Post by dmmichgood on May 24, 2013 23:25:36 GMT -5
OK - so you guys don't get it- When I talk about Susan B. Anthony being a shero I am using it in place of hero!
Why should HE have a word for being courageous- HERO but a woman SHE, not having her own term for be courageous- SHERO. SBA, a famous woman in herstory? RIGHT!
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Post by Sylvestra on May 25, 2013 13:56:14 GMT -5
Reminds me of something I read about the difficult things that happen to women all start with "men"....I'm sure others can add many more! men struation men tal illness men opause I read a little piece last night about menopause that said it was like "a horror movie with woman in question as the star! 'Thought that was kind of cute. I love men, and it would be an awful world without them. So, I take all this in good humor.
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Post by Gene on May 25, 2013 22:28:10 GMT -5
Reminds me of something I read about the difficult things that happen to women all start with "men"....I'm sure others can add many more! men struation men tal illness men opause I read a little piece last night about menopause that said it was like "a horror movie with woman in question as the star! 'Thought that was kind of cute. I love men, and it would be an awful world without them. So, I take all this in good humor. You may love some men. But from what I've read of your writings, you love certain types of men, but you hate "non-accept" other types of men, like me, and other types of women, like your sister.
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Post by Sylvestra on May 26, 2013 9:28:59 GMT -5
Reminds me of something I read about the difficult things that happen to women all start with "men"....I'm sure others can add many more! men struation men tal illness men opause I read a little piece last night about menopause that said it was like "a horror movie with woman in question as the star! 'Thought that was kind of cute. I love men, and it would be an awful world without them. So, I take all this in good humor. You may love some men. But from what I've read of your writings, you love certain types of men, but you hate other types of men, like me, and other types of women, like your sister. Hate? No, you're incorrect there. Please don't take non-acceptance of some activities and beliefs as hate. I know that the PC police do everything they can to make my belief "hate".
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Post by Gene on May 26, 2013 11:03:57 GMT -5
You may love some men. But from what I've read of your writings, you love certain types of men, but you hate other types of men, like me, and other types of women, like your sister. Hate? No, you're incorrect there. Please don't take non-acceptance of some activities and beliefs as hate. I know that the PC police do everything they can to make my belief "hate". okay -- I changed 'hate' to 'non-accept'
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Post by Sylvestra on May 26, 2013 11:45:22 GMT -5
Hate? No, you're incorrect there. Please don't take non-acceptance of some activities and beliefs as hate. I know that the PC police do everything they can to make my belief "hate". okay -- I changed 'hate' to 'non-accept' Thank you, my dear Gene, for doing that!!!! Are you guys doing something awesome this Memorial weekend? You live is such a beautiful place to be "out and about"!
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