Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2013 13:10:18 GMT -5
We Californians pronounce it with the 't' and have never looked at the spelling to see that isn't right~ In good German pronunciation one does not need a "t" to make it sound like a "tz". the sum extent of my German is dummkopf, usually applied to me, so thanks for that tidbit! I may have been pronouncing it right for the wrong reason, but it's nice to be right~ |
|
|
|
Post by faune on Aug 24, 2013 15:39:18 GMT -5
In good German pronunciation one does not need a "t" to make it sound like a "tz". the sum extent of my German is dummkopf, usually applied to me, so thanks for that tidbit! I may have been pronouncing it right for the wrong reason, but it's nice to be right~ ~ I'm married to a native German and agree that you have the spelling of " dummkopf" at least correct. I have used it myself on more than one occasion when I really screwed up at something I was trying to do and made a mess of it.  |
|
|
|
Post by BobWilliston on Aug 24, 2013 18:59:33 GMT -5
the sum extent of my German is dummkopf, usually applied to me, so thanks for that tidbit! I may have been pronouncing it right for the wrong reason, but it's nice to be right~ ~ I'm married to a native German and agree that you have the spelling of " dummkopf" at least correct. I have used it myself on more than one occasion when I really screwed up at something I was trying to do and made a mess of it. Ask your husband if he knows what this means: Ich habbe ein schmetterling auf mine gesasse.  I have used that sentence a few times with great results. |
|
|
|
Post by faune on Aug 24, 2013 19:52:26 GMT -5
Nathan shared...
Nathan ~ I was indeed impressed to see by your website that you did alert the friends of the dangers of CSA about 12 years ago on your Message Board and glad to see you taking a proactive stance to eradicate it from the fellowship back before it really hit the fan. I appreciate your concern and efforts to "educate" the friends about the dangers of CSA and the need to be vigilant in dealing with this horrendous crime within the fellowship for the sake of the innocent children. Thanks again for caring and making it known! Also, that's some great advice you gave at the beginning of your thread on this topic:
|
|
|
|
Post by faune on Aug 24, 2013 20:54:56 GMT -5
Our family somehow has always managed never to know anything about anyone (we're introverts and loners) and the grapevine has never worked for us. I remember Mom asking one of the friends 'whatever happened to Rueben Mata?' It was so far after the fact that he was already dead and buried--you can imagine that as soon as she asked the question, the house got REAL quiet. We just didn't know. Call us The Oblivious Family, because we sure don't try not to know. ~~~ Parents with children, or any of the friends suspect so and so workers history, who are in your field ... they can contact WINGS and find out about so and so worker when they have some doubts.... It is better to be SAFE than sorry later. Teach your children... Someone wrote: This is addressed in the worker guidelines actually as far as acceptable behavior so. (It could fall under your idea of educating everyone about abuse issues) sites.google.com/site/csacodeofc....priate-touchingExamples of INAPPROPRIATE contact/behaviour, includes but is not limited to the following: • Kisses on the mouth • Inappropriate or lengthy hugs or embraces • Holding minors, above the approximate age of 5, on one's lap • Touching buttocks, genital areas, breasts, knees, thighs or legs • Showing physical displays of affection in isolated areas of the premises such as bedrooms, closets, bathrooms, or other private areas of a home • Sharing a room or bed with a minor or youth. • Going for a walk alone with a minor or youth. • Spending time in a minor or youth s bedroom • Informal wrestling with minors or youths except for legitimate sports coaching, in which case another adult would be present. • Tickling and piggyback rides • Any type of non-professional massage given by an adult to a minor or youth. • Any display of unwanted affection towards a minor or youth. • Remarks that include compliments relating to sexual attractiveness or sexual development • Lifting a child off the ground without parental consent. Some feel that the appropriate age would actually be 2 for workers to be holding kids on their laps. There is also a list for APPROPRIATE touching/interaction with kids. There is a lot of good information in those guidelines for both the workers and families. It would be nice for everyone to know what should be expected when workers are around families, as it protects the workers AND the kids. When people understand established boundaries, it makes interaction a lot easier. Parents would know that they shouldn't place workers into certain situations, and the workers would know that they have some rules which both they and the families they are around need to follow. ~ In addition to the information found on your website noted in my previous post, the information you provided within this post is essential for parents with children within the home. Thanks for sharing all this good advice and providing references for additional help when necessary. |
|
|
|
Post by faune on Aug 24, 2013 23:00:09 GMT -5
Thanks, faune.... I had a nice chat with Lyle S. at Boring Convention a few days ago, about CSA within the ministry. Most of the workers in east coast have taken CSA courses. As he traveled to different conventions in USA, various workers have approached him, wanting to sign up for CSA courses. Lyle, was very approachable, friendly, openly discussing CSA subject with me. Lyle, says Hi to you, Scott R. The workers wanted to deal with CSA head on. Thanks, for all the help from the former and current friends WINGS to alert, Warn, educate others about this harmful sickness in the world. ~ Thank you for compiling over the years all this very helpful information regarding CSA and alerting us to what is being done to eradicate this problem within the fellowship. I was very impressed with what I read on your main thread regarding this subject and cited on my Teenage Suicide thead all the helpful sites recommended by WINGS for workers and friends to investigate personally. You have a "gold mine of information" on your Forum. I'm so thankful you have this available to the public, since there are also articles that deals with so many different issues within the fellowship besides CSA. Nathan, you definitely have a big heart and are a concerned individual for the betterment of the fellowship through education.  Many thanks for all your personal efforts along these lines. I hope you don't mind me sharing some of your information on my own human interest thread? People definitely need to become more informed on what is going on and exactly what is being done about the problem of CSA within the fellowship. Your Forum covers both areas quite well.  I was glad to hear about efforts by Lyle S. to inform the friends about CSA within the ministry and what is being done within the ministry to alleviate this problem within. Do give my greetings to him and my thanks for his efforts to educate the friends and workers. I'm sure there are a lot of mighty fine workers and friends within the fellowship; however, it's the ones with the serious problems that really upset the apple cart? In summary, I feel assured that united efforts within the fellowship can make a real difference here and prevent further incidents of abuse from occurring due to responsible handling of these problems by both friends and workers together? 2x2friendsworkers.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=aa&action=display&thread=52 |
|
|
|
Post by faune on Aug 24, 2013 23:28:59 GMT -5
Nathan ~ As I'm sure you are aware, the increase in teen suicide is becoming a serious problem within all the countries of the world today. These young people feel so hopeless and helpless and act out irrationally as a result. They need loving guidance in their lives and concerned parents and teachers who will help them direct their paths during the adolescent years into adulthood. Hopefully, this problem will also come more to people's attention and these young kids will get the proper care and treatment they need for their healthy development into adulthood?
|
|
|
|
Post by snow on Aug 25, 2013 10:50:12 GMT -5
Nathan ~ As I'm sure you are aware, the increase in teen suicide is becoming a serious problem within all the countries of the world today. These young people feel so hopeless and helpless and act out irrationally as a result. They need loving guidance in their lives and concerned parents and teachers who will help them direct their paths during the adolescent years into adulthood. Hopefully, this problem will also come more to people's attention and these young kids will get the proper care and treatment they need for their healthy development into adulthood? faune, in many ways we can't blame our kids for feeling "hopeless and helpless". We see it in their parents too and how can they guide their children when they are in the same state of mind? We need to bring hope back to the people of the world. We need to give them a new way of looking at things. Instead of each man for themselves, becoming aware that we are all in this together and pulling together instead of fighting each other is the way forward. Religions teach love and compassion, but it's rare that this is carried out beyond the family circle and sometimes not even there. It's a mindset of protect what's mine at any cost. Extending our definition of family is a start. Encouraging those we meet in our daily lives can also go a long way. When we see something we want to encourage we should do that. A compliment a smile in the day of a life that is going badly can change things around. Something as simple as having a kind word for the stressed out cashier can change things all around that person and for that person themself. It can effect the next people in the line up because he or she is in a better state of mind and that will domino all the way down. Little things can turn into big things in ways we probably will never know. Same if we are grumpy with that same cashier. Just different results. What do we choose? |
|
|
|
Post by faune on Aug 25, 2013 13:18:07 GMT -5
Snow ~ Your last statement definitely deserves post of the week by Scott! There is so much wisdom in what you shared and I appreciate such insightful comments so much here on TMB!
|
|
|
|
Post by fixit on Dec 3, 2013 16:18:12 GMT -5
Lyle, gives credit Scott R, and some of the former members who brought this subject CSA within the fellowship/ministry a few years back. I believe Lyle has a lot of respect from the workers, and the friends because he has been one the front runner overseers to encourage the workers NOT to sweep under the carpet like they did on the past. I believe those days are over... NOW, the workers, the friends or anyone will go to jail if they failed to report to the authority CSA. If the workers don't deal with CSA within the fellowship immediately, they will have NOT have too MANY homes to stay, because they're NOT welcome. The workers should bring the spirits of peace NOT dangerous CSA workers into their homes. Its three months since your last post on this thread Nathan. Have the overseers made any progress with respect to CSA? Have Steve Shultz's allegations been reported to secular authorities yet? |
|
|
|
Post by sharingtheriches on Dec 4, 2013 20:53:39 GMT -5
Nathan ~ As I'm sure you are aware, the increase in teen suicide is becoming a serious problem within all the countries of the world today. These young people feel so hopeless and helpless and act out irrationally as a result. They need loving guidance in their lives and concerned parents and teachers who will help them direct their paths during the adolescent years into adulthood. Hopefully, this problem will also come more to people's attention and these young kids will get the proper care and treatment they need for their healthy development into adulthood? faune, in many ways we can't blame our kids for feeling "hopeless and helpless". We see it in their parents too and how can they guide their children when they are in the same state of mind? We need to bring hope back to the people of the world. We need to give them a new way of looking at things. Instead of each man for themselves, becoming aware that we are all in this together and pulling together instead of fighting each other is the way forward. Religions teach love and compassion, but it's rare that this is carried out beyond the family circle and sometimes not even there. It's a mindset of protect what's mine at any cost. Extending our definition of family is a start. Encouraging those we meet in our daily lives can also go a long way. When we see something we want to encourage we should do that. A compliment a smile in the day of a life that is going badly can change things around. Something as simple as having a kind word for the stressed out cashier can change things all around that person and for that person themself. It can effect the next people in the line up because he or she is in a better state of mind and that will domino all the way down. Little things can turn into big things in ways we probably will never know. Same if we are grumpy with that same cashier. Just different results. What do we choose? It's sad that love and being sociable with one another has taken on a real false front for these past 2 generations or so....they see love and getting along with one another as having instant gratification from every angle in the social exchanges of life......they also see it only from the viewpoint that it is only love if you get everything you want or laid your eyes on. Also they have lived too fast they are never at home to know what a loving home life is....so when the finances fail to be able to pay for all of this, then there isn't instant gratification any more! Lack of something to keep the young one's attention, teaching them that there is more to life then having everything asap..... When our children started not being at home very much with their children, teaching them about a loving homelife, my husband and I both have had fears that the reprisals of living life on the run causes......it has had some bad repercussions for the oldest grandson and I know that the young families are just as bad if not worse then their parents in not having ahome life for their children....I haven't seen my great grand babies for over a year or two because I can't catch them at home. And yes, I know they are no longer babies, but young children. I no longer give them gifts. I usually donate dollars for each one of the toward the Christmas CArd put in the local paper and they send the money generated from that card to one of the charities of the local area and it usually is a children's charity! |
|
|
|
Post by christiansburg on Dec 10, 2013 10:03:17 GMT -5
We talked about all those things where I grew up. Sure. We have always talked about these things after meeting. That is why the meeting after the meeting lasts so long. Usually about 45 minutes. We talk about jobs. Some families are into sports. Politics comes up often. We are divided on conservative and liberal viewpoints. Sometimes we talk about economics and the stock market. When given a chance I give a lesson or two on Economics 101. This past Sunday one of the elder sisters talked about her operation. So basically I feel that it just depends on the area you are in. A year ago we talked profusely about the re-election. As far as other serious issues about CSA and immorality some will just put their heads in the sand. We call them the ostriches. I think there is a quiet and determined effort now to try to right some of these wrongs. At least they are beginning to understand when things should be reported to authorities. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2013 10:13:03 GMT -5
We talked about all those things where I grew up. Sure. We have always talked about these things after meeting. That is why the meeting after the meeting lasts so long. Usually about 45 minutes. We talk about jobs. Some families are into sports. Politics comes up often. We are divided on conservative and liberal viewpoints. Sometimes we talk about economics and the stock market. When given a chance I give a lesson or two on Economics 101. This past Sunday one of the elder sisters talked about her operation. So basically I feel that it just depends on the area you are in. A year ago we talked profusely about the re-election. As far as other serious issues about CSA and immorality some will just put their heads in the sand. We call them the ostriches. I think there is a quiet and determined effort now to try to right some of these wrongs. At least they are beginning to understand when things should be reported to authorities. Similar here cb. People talk about a wide ranging list of subjects but yes, there are certain important topics that will get avoided like the plague by a lot of people. Anything about the fellowship or ministry has to have an adoration element so discussing even minor problems is generally verboten. |
|
|
|
Post by ForeverFree on Jun 14, 2023 19:05:04 GMT -5
|
|
nathan2
Royal Member
Nathan again
50%
Posts: 5,258
|
Post by nathan2 on Feb 28, 2024 10:23:05 GMT -5
~~~ Parents with children, or any of the friends suspect so and so workers history, who are in your field ... they can contact WINGS and find out about so and so worker when they have some doubts.... It is better to be SAFE than sorry later. Teach your children... Someone wrote: This is addressed in the worker guidelines actually as far as acceptable behavior so. (It could fall under your idea of educating everyone about abuse issues) sites.google.com/site/csacodeofc....priate-touchingExamples of INAPPROPRIATE contact/behaviour, includes but is not limited to the following: • Kisses on the mouth • Inappropriate or lengthy hugs or embraces • Holding minors, above the approximate age of 5, on one's lap • Touching buttocks, genital areas, breasts, knees, thighs or legs • Showing physical displays of affection in isolated areas of the premises such as bedrooms, closets, bathrooms, or other private areas of a home • Sharing a room or bed with a minor or youth. • Going for a walk alone with a minor or youth. • Spending time in a minor or youth s bedroom • Informal wrestling with minors or youths except for legitimate sports coaching, in which case another adult would be present. • Tickling and piggyback rides • Any type of non-professional massage given by an adult to a minor or youth. • Any display of unwanted affection towards a minor or youth. • Remarks that include compliments relating to sexual attractiveness or sexual development • Lifting a child off the ground without parental consent. Some feel that the appropriate age would actually be 2 for workers to be holding kids on their laps. There is also a list for APPROPRIATE touching/interaction with kids. There is a lot of good information in those guidelines for both the workers and families. It would be nice for everyone to know what should be expected when workers are around families, as it protects the workers AND the kids. When people understand established boundaries, it makes interaction a lot easier. Parents would know that they shouldn't place workers into certain situations, and the workers would know that they have some rules which both they and the families they are around need to follow. ~ In addition to the information found on your website noted in my previous post, the information you provided within this post is essential for parents with children within the home. Thanks for sharing all this good advice and providing references for additional help when necessary. |
|
nathan2
Royal Member
Nathan again
50%
Posts: 5,258
|
Post by nathan2 on Feb 29, 2024 14:41:08 GMT -5
Lyle, gives credit Scott R, and some of the former members who brought this subject CSA within the fellowship/ministry a few years back. I believe Lyle has a lot of respect from the workers, and the friends because he has been one the front runner overseers to encourage the workers NOT to sweep under the carpet like they did on the past. I believe those days are over... NOW, the workers, the friends or anyone will go to jail if they failed to report to the authority CSA. If the workers don't deal with CSA within the fellowship immediately, they will have NOT have too MANY homes to stay, because they're NOT welcome. The workers should bring the spirits of peace NOT dangerous CSA workers into their homes. Its three months since your last post on this thread Nathan. Have the overseers made any progress with respect to CSA? Have Steve Shultz's allegations been reported to secular authorities yet? Fixit, why didn’t you report Steve S. From down under? It was everybody responsibility to report CSA to the police. If Annie, found out you are NOT reporting to the police! You are Jail bound and Hell bound for sure, mate. |
|
|
|
Post by Annan on Feb 29, 2024 14:47:57 GMT -5
Its three months since your last post on this thread Nathan. Have the overseers made any progress with respect to CSA? Have Steve Shultz's allegations been reported to secular authorities yet? Fixit, why didn’t you report Steve S. From down under? It was everybody responsibility to report CSA to the police. If Annie, found out you are NOT reporting to the police! You are Jail bound and Hell bound for sure, mate. Why haven't YOU reported what you know about CSA, Natie? Why are YOU supporting pedophile workers? Jail bound and Hell bound. |
|
nathan2
Royal Member
Nathan again
50%
Posts: 5,258
|
Post by nathan2 on Feb 29, 2024 15:16:28 GMT -5
We talked about all those things where I grew up. Sure. We have always talked about these things after meeting. That is why the meeting after the meeting lasts so long. Usually about 45 minutes. We talk about jobs. Some families are into sports. Politics comes up often. We are divided on conservative and liberal viewpoints. Sometimes we talk about economics and the stock market. When given a chance I give a lesson or two on Economics 101. This past Sunday one of the elder sisters talked about her operation. So basically I feel that it just depends on the area you are in. A year ago we talked profusely about the re-election. As far as other serious issues about CSA and immorality some will just put their heads in the sand. We call them the ostriches. I think there is a quiet and determined effort now to try to right some of these wrongs. At least they are beginning to understand when things should be reported to authorities. Amen, we talked about CSA after the meetings quite a bit lately, the friends are concerned. They don’t trust the workers, the overseers, church elders, the friends until they see no tolerance of CSA within the ministry and fellowship. We talk about politics, events in the world, about what it was spoken in the Sunday morning meetings and so on. Our overseer Doyle S. Just send his staff and the friends in Oregon and southern Idaho to cooperate with the FBI and report to them about any CSA abusers workers, the church elders or the friends! Things are improving on zero tolerance CSA within the ministry and fellowship policy in Oregon. Thanks! God I never thought I would see this day 23 years ago! It was going against the Tsunami title wave. They just didn’t talk about it! NADA/Nothing. They call you trouble makers. put a few workers out of the workers that tried to alert the overseers on the CSA subject. Thanks, goodness I wasn’t in the work 23 years ago! They would have sent me to Siberia field without a co-worker. |
|
nathan2
Royal Member
Nathan again
50%
Posts: 5,258
|
Post by nathan2 on Feb 29, 2024 15:26:45 GMT -5
Fixit, why didn’t you report Steve S. From down under? It was everybody responsibility to report CSA to the police. If Annie, found out you are NOT reporting to the police! You are Jail bound and Hell bound for sure, mate. Why haven't YOU reported what you know about CSA, Natie? Why are YOU supporting pedophile workers? Jail bound and Hell bound. Dang! They haven’t banned and send You to Siberia for 6 months vacation for breaking the TMB rule posting my FULL NAME on the main board. Is Adm. and the moderators going on vacation? If NOT what take them so long? Annie, jail time and hell bound for you for real. karma is sucks, Annie. |
|
|
|
Post by Annan on Feb 29, 2024 16:43:15 GMT -5
Why haven't YOU reported what you know about CSA, Natie? Why are YOU supporting pedophile workers? Jail bound and Hell bound. Dang! They haven’t banned and send You to Siberia for 6 months vacation for breaking the TMB rule posting my FULL NAME on the main board. Is Adm. and the moderators going on vacation? If NOT what take them so long? Annie, jail time and hell bound for you for real. karma is sucks, Annie. You said once you were a Buddhist and yet you have no clue as to the definition of karma. |
|
Many thanks for all your personal efforts along these lines. I hope you don't mind me sharing some of your information on my own human interest thread? People definitely need to become more informed on what is going on and exactly what is being done about the problem of CSA within the fellowship. Your Forum covers both areas quite well. 
