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Post by faune on Nov 19, 2012 18:14:10 GMT -5
This term "ad hominem" was brought up in a post recently and I felt it was a good subject worth exploring. I welcome your comments after seeing these short videos. I posted one of the top comments from the first video and the second one is pretty entertaining, but does make a point. Did anything catch your eye in either of these videos that you might feel worth sharing with the rest of us? Since this is a proboard open to discussions of all kinds, I felt a thread on this subject would be a good exercise in learning more about different forms of communication in debating a topic.
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Post by guitar on Nov 19, 2012 18:18:52 GMT -5
Ad hominem's are often very true, and can be very effective to make a point.
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Post by faune on Nov 19, 2012 19:02:27 GMT -5
Ad hominem's are often very true, and can be very effective to make a point. In some cases, that may be true ~ like the example given below from the Wiki article on this topic. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_HominemHowever, often we see something called the "Halo Effect" which often adds little to an argument or discussion due to personal prejudice or bias:
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Post by faune on Nov 19, 2012 19:13:39 GMT -5
Here's some interesting video clips to demonstrate "ad hominem" which occurs in all walks of life. I hope you enjoy these short segments and will get a better understanding of this topic under discussion from these examples? They speak for themselves and comments afterwards brings out some relevant points worth noting. Please leave your comments about anything that stood out to you in this video? This video you will find very entertaining, if nothing else?
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Post by faune on Nov 19, 2012 22:41:42 GMT -5
Now let's take a look at the Straw Man Fallacy in connection to this subject matter? What do you take from this short video that describes this means of winning an argument?
The "Straw Man" Fallacy
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Post by faune on Nov 19, 2012 22:49:08 GMT -5
Now we should move on to the "Red Herring Fallacy," which is another approach to winning an argument by distraction. Uploaded by Kevin deLaplante on Nov 15, 2009 www.criticalthinkeracademy.com. This is a sample video from a video tutorial course titled "Fallacies", which you can preview at the link above. Part 1: Introduction 1.1 What is a fallacy? 1.2 Categorizing fallacies: pros and cons 1.3 The rules of rational argumentation Part 2: Some Important Content Fallacies 2.1 Ad hominem (abusive) 2.2 Ad hominem (guilt by association) 2.3 Appeal to hypocrisy (tu quoque)) 2.4 Appeal to popular belief (or practice) 2.5 Appeal to authority 2.6 False dilemma 2.7 Slippery slope Part 3: Fallacies that Violate the Rules of Rational Argumentation 3.1 Straw figure 3.2 Red herring 3.3 Begging the question (narrow sense) 3.4 Begging the question (broad sense)
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Post by faune on Nov 19, 2012 23:56:27 GMT -5
Finally, I would like to add one more video to this study on Fallacies which summaries things very well on this topic. After viewing some of these short segments, perhaps you could comment on what one of these arguments caught your attention and what you took from the video?
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Post by dmmichgood on Nov 20, 2012 0:09:23 GMT -5
Finally, I would like to add one more video to this study on Fallacies which summaries things very well on this topic. After viewing some of these short segments, perhaps you could comment on what one of these arguments caught your attention and what you took from the video? Faune, I' m too sleepy to give it this attention it deserves Right now, but I skimmed it & think it is a GREAT thread! Thanks for posting it! I get back to it later
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Post by faune on Nov 20, 2012 0:43:08 GMT -5
Dmmichgood ~ Great to see you over here and I look forward to your comments. I personally find "critical thinking" a fascinating subject to explore and hopefully others share my passion for this topic? Here's a short list of fallacies with examples that might be of interest to some, which summarizes well the earlier videos. Just doing a little research of my own on ad hominem and fallacies connected to it, has been a good learning experience for me and I hope others find it to be the same for them and will leave their comments? I really do enjoy a good debate and especially one where we all learn something new by its conclusion, making it time well spent. www.fallacydetective.com/articles/read/short-list-of-fallacies/
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Post by faune on Nov 22, 2012 15:39:21 GMT -5
Dmmichgood ~ Great to see you over here and I look forward to your comments. I personally find "critical thinking" a fascinating subject to explore and hopefully others share my passion for this topic? Here's a short list of fallacies with examples that might be of interest to some, which summarizes well the earlier videos. Just doing a little research of my own on ad hominem and fallacies connected to it, has been a good learning experience for me and I hope others find it to be the same for them and will leave their comments? I really do enjoy a good debate and especially one where we all learn something new by its conclusion, making it time well spent. www.fallacydetective.com/articles/read/short-list-of-fallacies/ Dmmichgood ~ I also posted this neat site called the Fallacy Detective.com. You should check it out for some good entertainment after you see some of these videos? Here's a sampling of what you will find at this site of different subjects dealing with "logical thinking." I hope you and others on TMB will check it out and let me know which articles you enjoyed from this collection? There's a lot of good thread ideas here, you must admit? I highlighted a few that caught my attention recently, which can be accessed at this link: www.fallacydetective.com/articles/read/short-list-of-fallacies/[/color] Attack on Homeschooling (2004-10-01) Camping Out in the Mountains (2002-04-01) The Fallacy of Abortion Rights (2002-04-01) [/quote]
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Post by faune on Nov 22, 2012 21:53:27 GMT -5
Now we should move on to the "Red Herring Fallacy," which is another approach to winning an argument by distraction. Uploaded by Kevin deLaplante on Nov 15, 2009 www.criticalthinkeracademy.com. Now for a little test on the Red Herring Fallacy to see how logical you really are? This is a really fun quiz to test your ability at deductive reasoning and identifying "red herrings" when you see them. www.fallacydetective.com/articles/read/how-logical-are-youAny brave soul who wants to post their results after taking the quiz would also be welcomed?
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Post by faune on Aug 27, 2014 9:42:45 GMT -5
Here's another thread I started about two years ago which deals with logic and the different forms of communication that arises within discussions. I found it interesting to review again and I welcome any comments rom the readers relating to its contents. Who will be the first to comment on what they learned from viewing some of these video clips on styles of communication?
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