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Post by prue on Jun 15, 2006 8:39:25 GMT -5
sorry Oze (I am from Oz, too) We believe that all glory of salvation belongs to God. It reads that none was found worthy to open the book, save the lamb slain from the foundation of the world. We have a lovely hymn which covers this portion of scripture called "thou art worthy" "for thou hast redeemed us to thyself Lord Jesus, by the blood of Calvary and dark Gethsemane." Prue
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Post by Al Henderson on Jun 15, 2006 8:50:52 GMT -5
Hi again Prue, Ozelaine, Clay,
Clay and Elaine know well where I stand on this one Prue (we have a few years on here, intermittently though I have been). I will also stand up and say that Lask certainly does not reflect my understanding of scripture either. If a person has new life in Christ, why would they want to talk or argue that way? They are saying "It doesn't matter how I live after I am 'saved'" Well, I think it does. If there is no evidence of salvation(having been saved, or made right with God, then as james rightly wrote, "Faith without works (or wirks, as i c it!), is dead!"
To put it in a way that both Bappos like me and Catholicos like Clay can agree - SHOW me your faith!
It is not whether we are justified or not - I believ we are when we put our faith in Jesus perfect provision for us. But IF (BIG IF) I have, then I will have new desires, a new purpose, and no reason to carry on like lASK. But, oh by the way, if it is a momentary lapse, then of course there is forgiveness. But as John implied throughout his first epistle, if someone continues in habitual sin / sinful lifestyle, then one would be 'justified' (pardon the pun) in calling their bluff!
Al
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Post by Al Henderson on Jun 15, 2006 9:07:11 GMT -5
Prue, Did you get my email? I was wondering, are you the 'Bert' who also has posted on here a bit? I believe you may know my wife's parents, Helen and Laurie D - is that correct? Also my cousin is in the work, Robert D.
Al
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Post by ClayRandall on Jun 15, 2006 9:14:20 GMT -5
To put it in a way that both Bappos like me and Catholicos like Clay can agree - SHOW me your faith! Amen, my Baptist brother! :-)
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Post by happy on Jun 15, 2006 10:06:38 GMT -5
Al Henderson, Do you have a registered name? can you PM me? I don't want to post my email address here on the board. Thanks, Happy
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Post by selah on Jun 15, 2006 10:38:19 GMT -5
To Prue... Lask is wrong to think that being saved is a license to do whatever he wants. Being saved brings us into a holy separation to God and His plans for us. Our lives are in Him. Our surrender to Him, does not produce the attitude of indulgence in our own desires, but rather it produces a sense of immersion into His will and a deep longing to please Him....not through the burden of imitating Jesus, but by allowing His Spirit to flow through us, demonstrating His nature. To Wondering... Is swearing a sin? Using the Lord's name in vain is a sin, and that's what I would call swearing. Other words are vulgar and offensive. There is a scripture about using this kind of talk as well, but I can't remember where it is just now. I'll try to find it. I don't call words like the ones Lask used, swearing, but they are offensive to some people. Deliberately offending people with no other purpose than to offend, would seem a sin to me. However, some folks just like to shock people. I'm not easily shocked, since I raised 5 children! Blessings, Linda
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Post by selah on Jun 15, 2006 10:43:35 GMT -5
Ephesians 5:4 Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving.
Ephesians 4:29 Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.
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Post by Bert of Pruebert fame on Jun 15, 2006 20:37:14 GMT -5
Selah, thanks from Bert. You are a nice lady
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Post by Rob O on Jun 15, 2006 20:43:31 GMT -5
But Bert, do you accept her as a sister in Christ? Would you share the Eucharist with her?
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Post by Nathans apprentice on Jun 16, 2006 8:10:29 GMT -5
rob - you know some nice people in the faith you left. would you share the eucharist with them? prue Obviously you've been studying Nathan's method of word twisting and question dodging. Well done.
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Post by Answer on Jun 16, 2006 9:28:49 GMT -5
rob - you know some nice people in the faith you left. would you share the eucharist with them? prue
So, does mean NO? Why can't you just say so?
BTW, I have no question in my mind that Rob won't hesitate to answer your question YES.
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Post by Al Henderson on Jun 16, 2006 9:44:37 GMT -5
Pruebert,
I have just written you an email (thanks for your reply!). I can't answer for Rob, but I would have communion with you any day of the week, in or outside a home. I base this on your claim to have a personal relationship with my Lord. I take that at face value. My wife and I have not given up trying to 'break through' the resistance we sense from professing friends and relatives who will steer well clear of discussing anything spiritual. Why? Don't know - you'd have to ask them!
I do know that one worker was asked by a chap who has left the meetings whether he would pray with him - and he was told that he (the worker) would rather not. That was in NSW about two years ago. So go figure.
The issue is not that my wife and I regard meeting-goers as non-believers; it is that we left because meeting-goers generally will not accept OTHER CHrsitians as believers. There is a world of difference in those two positions.
Sincerely
Al Henderson
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Post by selah on Jun 16, 2006 11:49:24 GMT -5
Well said Al, and me too...of course I would LOVE to share communion with my f&w brethren, if they would let me.
Blessings, Linda
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Post by Rob O on Jun 16, 2006 20:45:57 GMT -5
Pruebert,
Yes. I would share the Eucharist with those among the F&W who are orthodox.
Do you accept Linda as a sister in Christ? Would you share the Eucharist with her?
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Post by selah on Jun 16, 2006 21:38:55 GMT -5
Thanks for the compliment Bert. And thanks to you too Nathan. One day ALL believers will partake in the Lord's supper together. Just as Jesus said, He will join us to drink of the fruit of the vine in His Father's Kingdom. I wonder if that will be at the wedding feast of the Lamb. When I take part in the emblems, I consider what they mean. Past - I remember Jesus broken body and shed blood for me. Present - I'm grateful for the sufficiency of his righteous life and his sacrificial death for me. And, Future - I look forward to sharing the cup with Him at the wedding feast of the Lamb. We might have some surprises about who will be there drinking that cup with Jesus, and we may be surprised at who isn't there too. Blessings, Linda
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Post by selah on Jun 16, 2006 21:58:10 GMT -5
I just thought of something.
The (general) f&w criteria for sharing the Lord's supper with others is that they must be "professing" in the f&w group.
However, (generally) f&w will say that no one knows who is saved for sure, and that people can be "professing" and still not be saved.
So, the benefit of the doubt is (generally)given only to those who have accepted the methodology of the fellowship, or are "professing".
In other churches the (general) criteria is profession of faith in Jesus Christ and having been born-again of the Spirit. There may be some who claim that, even though it may not have happened.
The benefit of the doubt is (generally)given to all who make that claim, regardless of methodology or group belonging. No one makes the determination except the individual who is examining his own heart. (with the exception of very young children whose parents use wisdom in instructing them)
So, in the f&w the privilege is based on acceptance of the framework, and in other groups, the privilege is based on acceptance of Christ.
I guess that's because (generally) the f&w equate acceptance of the framework of the group with acceptance of Christ.
Blessings, Linda
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Post by Rob O on Jun 17, 2006 7:16:40 GMT -5
So Pruebert,
Are you related to Nathan? Really, if you can't answer a straightforward question.....
Ps. Twice you've called Lask feral. Do you think Jesus would pray with Lask? Or would that sort of Jesus be too unsanitary? Not quite middle-class conservative enough?
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Post by prue on Jun 17, 2006 7:28:34 GMT -5
nathan. are you and me related? i believe you come from vietnam? can't see how, really.
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Post by Rob O on Jun 17, 2006 7:30:23 GMT -5
Pruebert,
So you're online right now. Are you up for chatting in Greg's chatroom.
Either way, let me make the question simpler, less variables...
Do you accept Linda as a sister in Christ?
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Post by useless on Jun 17, 2006 9:30:00 GMT -5
Pruebert is Guest A from long ago. You've surely had this discussion already? You know where he stands.
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Post by lisa on Jun 17, 2006 11:35:21 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that Pruebert and GuestA are not the same. GuestA lives in the southern island of New Zealand. Pruebert lives In Australia. GuestA has poor spelling and grammar, Pruebert generally quite good. GuestA knows less scripture that Pruebert. Guest A is definitely male, Pruebert might be.
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Post by ilylo on Jun 17, 2006 13:10:24 GMT -5
nate and prue were separated at birth...they both give replies without answering the question.
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Jun 17, 2006 22:52:53 GMT -5
nathan. are you and me related? i believe you come from vietnam? can't see how, really. Prue, You and I are related in the Spirit that is what they meant! I wonder if you are. Not that that would be a good thing anyway. Would PrueBert (they) take the identifier "2x2" as you do?
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Post by nutcase on Jun 17, 2006 23:02:01 GMT -5
Prue, You and I are related in the Spirit that is what they meant! You deserve each other.
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Post by Lask on Jun 18, 2006 6:06:36 GMT -5
Hi from Lask. Tons of inconsistency here. I too am saved, if my eurcharist is beer instead of wine then so be it. If my religion is football so be it. It is the heart which counts. Course language is like clothing - it means nothing Sela because God judges the heart. I am not feral Prue. I can share the eucharist with Ilylo, Rob etc. because they are not judging me.
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Post by Bert on Jun 18, 2006 9:40:45 GMT -5
You tell 'em Lask
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Post by Simple on Jun 18, 2006 19:21:08 GMT -5
My parents had gone to the meeting and I was having a beer with my friends as we watched a replay of Major League last Sunday morning. The thought occurred to me “rumpy pumpy! I am saved too!” I am saved, my friends are all saved, those playing the game are saved, and so too are all those watching. Jesus saves!! We don’t need “to work out our salvation with fear and trembling” as Paul put it. No parents are going to put me on a guilt trip! I have been reading these bulletin boards for some time now and I know the truth that its not about works. I can dress as I want, drink and smoke what I want, go out with who I want, say what I want and be as much a fool as I chose to be. If I have just one biblical talent, I can give it back at the end of life with the assurance that Jesus has provided – period. Thanks all… Are you ready to reap what you sow? Are you ready for your children to suffer, because they do whatever they want? Just like you taught them. You will be fruitless and baron, and others will have your share.
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Post by Take it East on Jun 19, 2006 6:32:02 GMT -5
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