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Post by Rob O on Jul 9, 2006 10:41:44 GMT -5
Is reply #55 supposed to be a response to something? I fail to see what. Perhaps you can clarify. It certainly doesn't answer my question to you.
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Post by prue on Jul 9, 2006 10:42:12 GMT -5
Rob re translations. We have the oldest Greek translations from the 1st century. Don't quote me but I read somewhere (think it was in a Time magazine) there is about a one percent variation in text from the surviving MSS, and this percentage in no way effects the tenor of the documents. Bert
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Post by eurp on Jul 9, 2006 10:42:28 GMT -5
Pruebert just now I'm in Europe.
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Post by Rob O on Jul 9, 2006 10:43:48 GMT -5
If you'd bothered to read my reply to the misinformation on your site regarding education in the early church, you'd find some detail in relation to this there.
In any case, once again you implicitly admit that you do draw on extra-biblical writers.
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Post by gobbledygook on Jul 9, 2006 10:47:08 GMT -5
Oxford dictionary on the Resurrection, quote "improbable... apologetic... too many inconsistencies... no objective vision... historically questionable... impossible... " Such authorities, such as they are, tend to be secular. Bert Is it just me or am I the only one who thinks the above makes no sense?
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Post by prue on Jul 9, 2006 10:49:24 GMT -5
Rob - I mentioned something about secular authorities, and you wrote: Bollocks. How much evangelical Christian scholarship have you interacted with?
My quotes, taken from a single reference in my Oxford dictionary, were to demonstrate how something as authoritive as the Oxford can seriously undermine genuine spiritual scholarship.
Bert
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Post by prue on Jul 9, 2006 10:53:27 GMT -5
to gobbledygook - sorry if that line is confusing. I reached for my Oxford dictionary, pulled out a reference to the resurrection, and quoted some of the words used by W.F.Browning's in his so-called "essential guide" to the bible to demonstrate how one's faith can be erroded by reading such material.
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Post by Rob O on Jul 9, 2006 10:54:47 GMT -5
Again, what are you on about? Authoritative to whom? I can't recall any serious scholar ever quoting that book as authoritative.
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Post by prue on Jul 9, 2006 10:59:19 GMT -5
Rob - without reading up on anything, one scholar who come to mind is the minimalist and atheist Bultman. I understand that no Oxford companion book is meant to be scholarship, but such books reference people like Bultman. Another seriously awful one was Barbara Theiring of the Dead Sea Scrolls fame. Bert
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Post by Rob O on Jul 9, 2006 11:02:46 GMT -5
Thiering is a joke.
And if you read books by atheists you should expect them to reference other atheists.
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Post by likeminds on Jul 9, 2006 11:17:04 GMT -5
Birds of likefeathers cling together. So it is, likeminded people cling together.
Atheists with atheists, etc, etc,
Oh, it is nice to mingle with people that have sound doctrines.
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Post by Your a joke on Jul 9, 2006 11:20:14 GMT -5
Your a joke! Why don't you tackle something else for your thesis? Where is the challenge in writing that? Doesn't theism have more pressing matters to tackle? Or maybe all things are sorted out in your comfortable little mind regarding your faith. Are you really getting your masters? Why don't you write a thesis on why Thiering is a joke? That way some real intellectuals can rip you a new one. Your a haughty one, rob.
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Post by studylearning notlogged on Jul 9, 2006 11:26:20 GMT -5
Eurp writes
Studylearning
I didn't mean to poke a stick in your eye, but sure got a reaction.
No you did not poke a stick in my eye although I believe you think and hope your were.
My questions were not designed to trap. Plain ordinary questions.
I am sorry but the question absolutely was out of context of anything that I have ever written. You were in fact trying to trap me in some type of error. I have never stated nor ever implied "A dismissal of the idea that the Holy Spirit guides and teaches."
So then your question "Do you then dismiss the idea that the Holy Spirit will guide---", was without merit as to anything I have posted. I see no basis for asking that question of me. Your "So then" in the question implied I said something to the contrary. Can you please show me where I said any thing of such?
I didn't say (or intend to imply) that you were unfaithful. You added that not me. I didn't define "the faithful", but had in mind all Christianity.
Yes you very well did do that by the format of your post. "So then" and the word "Deny" implies that I have denied and as such indicts me. You are in error. As I said show me where I have said such?
Didn't say you don't know what you're talking about, you said that.
No I did not say that. I said "Seems your are trying to say I am not faithful and do not know what I am talking about." Seems you left out part of what I said.
Didn't dismiss the idea that the Holy Spirit is guiding you in your study.
Thank you for that.
Hope your eye gets better.
I have nothing wrong with my eyes. I see very well. Thank you for your concern though. Maybe for the sake of concern I will suggest that you should get an eye check up also.
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Post by Challange on Jul 9, 2006 11:39:02 GMT -5
Why don't you write a thesis on why Thiering is a joke? There is very little channenge in that! People educating themselves seems to rub you the wrong way. Do you have some issue with this?
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Post by Rob O on Jul 9, 2006 12:06:09 GMT -5
Please don't feed the trolls. If they are fed regularly they become a nuisance.
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Post by Edjakashun on Jul 9, 2006 12:12:17 GMT -5
Why don't you write a thesis on why Thiering is a joke? There is very little channenge in that! People educating themselves seems to rub you the wrong way. Do you have some issue with this? It looks like you could use a little education yourself. Your spelling is atrocious.
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Post by Geeeee on Jul 9, 2006 13:19:59 GMT -5
There is very little channenge in that! People educating themselves seems to rub you the wrong way. Do you have some issue with this? It looks like you could use a little education yourself. Your spelling is atrocious. Well, I would go back to school and try to better myself but I fear the ridicule of those better educated and more articulate than I. I find it amazing that there can be so many spelling errors in a single post. Wouldn't you think they would have used the spell checker?
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Post by eurp on Jul 9, 2006 14:37:17 GMT -5
Studylearning
It seems that either I have offended you or you just want to pick a fight. Sorry I'm not up for such a quarrel.
I wanted to learn what you think. I may have phrased my questions poorly (Your language is not my strongest), but you seem to have taken it very negatively. Poking a stick in your eye is a metaphor for annoying you. I thought it also is in English.
Sorry you feel this way.
If the answer to my question was "no", then why not just say "no"?
I guess now that I touched some nerve or something. Sorry for that.
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Post by and on Jul 9, 2006 16:09:31 GMT -5
Please don't feed the trolls. If they are fed regularly they become a nuisance. Rob these people you are calling trolls, do you believe they are Christian? or can you tell by their fruits that they are not? and do you believe it is the fruit of the Christian to call people names like troll?
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Post by studylearning on Jul 9, 2006 17:01:17 GMT -5
Studylearning It seems that either I have offended you or you just want to pick a fight. Sorry I'm not up for such a quarrel. I wanted to learn what you think. I may have phrased my questions poorly (Your language is not my strongest), but you seem to have taken it very negatively. Poking a stick in your eye is a metaphor for annoying you. I thought it also is in English. Sorry you feel this way. If the answer to my question was "no", then why not just say "no"? I guess now that I touched some nerve or something. Sorry for that. Eurp, please accept my apology for going off. Yes after I responded I can say perhaps we had a semantics problem. ;D In any case, Yes I believe that people who read scripture can and do get understanding which is Holy Spirit led. I hope you will also accept that ones who study other materials for deeper understanding of context (like myself) are also led by the Holy Spirit in learning. For the sake of discussion on this topic. Just a short example as to not detract for Rob's thread. I was studying about when Jesus was tempted of the Devil. I was questioning the following: Matthew 4:5 (King James Version) King James Version (KJV) Public Domain
5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
I wanted to know more about what "holy city" and "pinnacle of the temple" means. Scripture really does not expound on this much. So I used my other resources to look into the matter further. You might ask why this was of interest to me? Well, I was wondering just where it was that Satan took Jesus. I will not tell you what I found as I hope others will search this out for themselves. However, it is a very good example of Bible study which leads to sources related to history and interpretation outside of scripture. You might want to look into this one yourself. Just an example. Now let us not detract from Rob's thread and move on. Thanks for your replies and questions.
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Post by Rob O on Jul 9, 2006 20:00:06 GMT -5
Rob these people you are calling trolls, do you believe they are Christian? or can you tell by their fruits that they are not? and do you believe it is the fruit of the Christian to call people names like troll? On the off-chance you are being sensible..... I have no idea if they are Christian or not. As to calling them trolls, yes, if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck....and continues incessantly to behave like a duck.....I have no problem calling it what it is. I take my cue from Matthew 23.
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