George Peterson and Ira Hobbs

[ts]

George Peterson is now the new overseer where Ira Hobbs lives.

It is no wonder that Ira is free to take part in meeting based on the doctrine that George promotes.

George says that "the mind is like a computer. When you make a mistake, you then hit the 'delete' button and all is forgotten." That is George's take on what it is like to ask forgiveness from God.

That is a very convenient doctrine that George somehow feels the need to promote in order to not take responsibility for his mistakes.

I have said it before and will say it again. The overseer doctrine about "forgiveness" suits the protection of the predators and further victimizes the weak and vulnerable.

[kencoolidge]

TS
Thats a pair. There are others who folks have memories of.

[guitar]

I am glad there is forgivness in heaven. I am wearing dirty rags.

[Deleted]

How about these workers kicked out for preaching "wrong doctrine"? Any forgiveness for them? Or the so called "bitter exes who hate God's way" as they call it?

[guitar]

I still contend that I am not the judge.

[Deleted]

Guitar, is your overseer the judge? When he tells workers and friends to leave the group, isn't he being a judge? Think about this one even for awhile.

[guitar]

You want me to Judge if the overseer is capable of being a judge now? If im not capable of being a judge how can I judge if anouther is capable of being a judge. Or how can I know if you are judgeing the situation correctly?

[ts]

I agree with you, guitar. You, as well as many of the overseers and workers, are incapable of judging righteous judgment but plenty capable of judging unrighteous judgment.

[guitar]

Does that make you a liar?

[Deleted]

I remember hearing George Peterson speak at convention back in the 1980s. He spoke about how Jesus was wrapped in swaddeling clothing to deprive Him of His Human!

I wonder if Rob Ebherhardt didn't know how to handle the situation as he was moved to Wisconsin. Hobbs seems to have some influence even as a saint. I think the friends at Clever and Blackwater needs to be warned. Especially those with children. I believe it is better to be safe than sorry.

[mangochango]

WHAT is IH doing in MO/AR?? I thought he lived on the East Coast somewheres??

[ts]

Oct 22, 2012 17:54:04 GMT -5 guitar said:

Does that make you a liar?

Oh, so you ARE capabe of judging and calling someone a liar...just as long as it is not a worker.

I think I see the pattern.

It seems that you are not capable of recognizing any workers who are false prophets. Neither are the workers. I remember being in that system and mind set. I am my co workers preached and talked a lot about "worldly preachers" and were capable of recognizing falseness among the(ALL of them were considered false). They would always look at their "fruits" to determine what was true and false.

However, when it came to the fruits among the workers and friends, these fruits somehow were not an indication of false teaching.

Yep, I know where you are coming from. If someone preaches the same sermon at the workers as the workers do to "the world", they are being "judgmental."

[guitar]

No I asked you I didn't judge.

[sharonw]

Oct 22, 2012 18:20:59 GMT -5 mangochango said:

WHAT is IH doing in MO/AR?? I thought he lived on the East Coast somewheres??

MC! Ira married a widow who used to be in the work and she had married a widower who professed and had 2 children by his first wife. In his will he provided that his widow could live in his house until she remarried, then the house and contents were to be divdied between those 2 children from the first wife. Well, when she married IH, that brought into play her first husband's will. So she and IH moved to MO close to her relative's home. They've been there more then a couple of years.

[ts]

Oct 22, 2012 18:39:57 GMT -5 guitar said:

No I asked you I didn't judge.

Ok, dude. You got that worker thang a goin' on.

I was once just like you only more so.

[Greg]

Oct 22, 2012 19:15:49 GMT -5 ts said:

Oct 22, 2012 18:39:57 GMT -5 guitar said:

No I asked you I didn't judge.

Ok, dude. You got that worker thang a goin' on.

I was once just like you only more so.

Was?

[ts]

But guitar, what do you think about the George Peterson "computer doctrine"? Does that sound like the work of God that you are familiar with or is there more than a touch of the reprobate mind in that doctrine?

Surely you can talk about what is true and false doctrine without being judgmental. Otherwise, what are we supposed to do with the discernment that the Holy Spirit gives us? How are we to warn others of false doctrine that creeps in among us?

[ts]

Oct 22, 2012 19:20:11 GMT -5 Greg said:

Oct 22, 2012 19:15:49 GMT -5 ts said:

Ok, dude. You got that worker thang a goin' on.

I was once just like you only more so.

Was?

Hehe.

Don't make me open up a can of worker talk on you.

[guitar]

I have not heard the computer sermon u mention. My Grandma thinks solitaire is of the Devil.

[Deleted]

One thing we can do. As we near the Blackwater/Clever MO conventions, don't forget to post about this on TMB and any other website. If the website is pro-professing (with an exclusive bent), mention the incident without mentioning his name.

[Deleted]

Which convention is Hobbs' "home convention"? Blackwater or Clever. For years, I pronounced Clever with a long E but I think the E is short.

[sharonw]

Oct 23, 2012 14:34:57 GMT -5 @laverdad said:

Which convention is Hobbs' "home convention"? Blackwater or Clever. For years, I pronounced Clever with a long E but I think the E is short.

Yes the e is short....like in a clever fellow!

[sharonw]

Oct 23, 2012 14:34:57 GMT -5 @laverdad said:

Which convention is Hobbs' "home convention"? Blackwater or Clever. For years, I pronounced Clever with a long E but I think the E is short.

BTW, I don't think that MO'ers think too much of which conv. is their home conv. Most people go to both of them if they can...though of course they may only get the weekend of one and all the other or vice a versa but someone like IH would or could and will go to both.

[ts]

Oct 22, 2012 21:48:54 GMT -5 guitar said:

I have not heard the computer sermon u mention. My Grandma thinks solitaire is of the Devil.

Suppose any ol' worldly preacher preached the sermon and I posted it here for folks to talk about. What do you think of the sermon regarding the mind being like a computer and all we have to do is pray for forgiveness and that is like hitting the delete button?

I am only asking what you think of it. Not if you heard it or not. You obviously do have opinions. I also notice that you, like Linford and other staunch 2x2 system folks, that when it comes to simple questions about your doctrine there comes some evasion and denial. That is what we were taught, isn't it? That is part of the worker definition of "being wise as serpents and harmless as doves."

[fixit]

Monday, September 4, 2023

Dear friends and fellow servants,

It is needful for me to express thoughts and feelings that have come to me over the past few months. When I arrived on the Missouri/Arkansas staff in April of 2012, I now realize there are judgements I could have made and actions I could have taken at that time that may have prevented immoral conduct during the time I have been on this staff. It is said when laws of the land are broken, ignorance is no excuse. I understand that I failed in giving information regarding Ira that would have prevented arrangements for sister workers to stay in Ira’s home. I’m very sorry for the lack of action that would have prevented sexual abuse. My present knowledge of both perpetrators’ pursuits and laws regarding actions committed by them enables me to seek to make proper judgments in the future, should it be my lot to do so.

Sincerely,

George Peterson

wingsfortruth.info/2023/09/04/george-peterson-apology/

[fixit]

The following was recently included in an email from Craig Winquist (AR, MO, OK) regarding CSA/SA guidelines

Our Foundation by George Peterson

The foundation of our expectation for Christian living is from Heaven in the form of Jesus, the Son of God. He as the Word of God made flesh, gave to us the guidelines for conduct. The words that He spoke were from God, inspired by the Holy Spirit and are forever settled in Heaven. (Psalm 1 19:89).

These teachings would apply to the present CSA/SA distress.

“…Whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart…” (Matt. 5:28) No policy written by man will equal this precept.

“…whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me. it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.” (Matt. 18:6) Judgment for those who abuse little ones.

“Rebuke not an elder, but intreat him as a father; and the younger men as brethren; the elder women as mothers; the younger as sisters, with all purity.’ 1 (1 Tim. 5:1,2). This dictates the proper conduct for ministers to friends.

“But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men’s matters …” (1 Peter 4:15) This passage expects God’s people to avoid criminal and improper conduct.

In addition to these guidelines. He gave specific instructions regarding the form and order of the church. The New Testament church would be established on a foundation. This foundation, the ministry, was set up by Jesus Himself when He chose the 12 and later the 70. He further verified its validity before He ascended into Heaven. He stated to the ministers that were with Him before He ascended into Heaven that they were to go into all the world, teach all nations and He would be with them until the end of the world (obviously speaking of the ministry, not the ministers themselves). (Matt. 28:19,20) This was confirmed by the Holy Spirit moving Paul to write, “For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.” (1 Cor. 3:1 1). And. “You are built on the foundation of apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ being the chief cornerstone (Eph. 2:20)

The Kingdom of God is a Spiritual Kingdom, God being the King. Thus the church, the people in the Kingdom, are not an organization any more than a family of a Father. Mother and Children are an organization. However, a family is organized on the family level and so the Kingdom of God is organized, God, Christ, man and woman. Each has their place and responsibilities. God’s order gave each their responsibilities thus being organized that the family might have order, peace and function profitably. A parable was given to declare the order of the church. “For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.” (Mk. 13:34) The servants had authority, all had their work and ail were under the guidance of the Porter (Holy Spirit). This was further substantiated by the Lord when; “…He breathed on them, and said unto them, ’Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them, and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.'” (John 20:22,23) The Lord put the ministry under the guidance of the Holy Spirit on this occasion. This does not mean the ministers have power, authority, to forgive sins nor are they 100% controlled by the Holy Spirit but the Holy Spirit’s presence is the means of guidance for the ministry as the foundation of the church. The ministers are to seek that guidance. They no doubt come short of this guidance but that does not invalidate the ministry nor its authority.

Added later…

Our understanding of these biblical guidelines explains our approach to addressing CSA/SA within the fellowship, but it does not replace the legal system for administration of justice wherein these teachings are not followed, and criminal activity has occurred.

wingsfortruth.info/2024/01/08/email-from-craig-winquist-ar-mo-ok-regarding-csa-sa-guidelines/

[fixit]

Can anyone confirm that Ira Hobbs has finally been removed from the fellowship?

It beggars belief that workers are still preaching their authority in spite of their enabling of this man's crimes spanning at least 35 years (60 years according to Dale Gardner).

Call for Assistance re Ira Hobbs

There is a current and ongoing effort to take ex worker Ira Hobbs to court to convict him of his 2019 rape of a sister worker. He used a date rape drug, while his ex-sister-worker wife was away from their house. The raped sister worker was staying in the home for special meeting rounds. The hospital found the date rape drug in her blood test. They repaired the life-threatening damage that Ira did to her from the rape. It is known by many that Ira has raped and had sex with sister workers and wives for the past 60 years, as well as documented horrible molestation of children.

Ira Hobbs molested my young daughter in our home. My daughter and I have agreed to testify against him. The advocate, investigator and prosecutor are gathering evidence for prosecution. More victims, and those with knowledge of these crimes, would be very valuable as they establish the case, and show his long practice of so horribly damaging so many.

If you are willing to help in this effort, please contact me at [e-mail] and I will connect you with the effort.

Ira practiced this horror for much of his lifetime, and was hidden, protected, and moved from place to place repeatedly by the senior overseers while in the ministry. Fortunately he was finally put out of the work after his life time of fornication and child molestation. He was very clever on how to enjoy his horrid fornication without leaving evidence that could convict him. That is why it important to gather more evidence, victims and witnesses to firmly establish his decades long pattern of fornication, rape and child molestation. He continues it, even after being put out of the work.

Any assistance in this effort would be greatly appreciated. Please contact me.

Thank you,

Sincerely
Dale Gardner

wingsfortruth.info/2023/10/21/call-for-assistance-re-ira-hobbs/

wingsfortruth.info/2023/10/17/an-alarm-and-call-for-action/

wingsfortruth.info/2023/07/08/35-years-ago-to-taylor-wood-and-the-church/

[xna]

I know Ira Hobbs. He must be pretty old by now.