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Post by sacerdotal on Jun 12, 2012 23:16:57 GMT -5
Hmm. . . this sounds like some of the history apologists within the 2x2 fellowship. Not all the truth should be reported, just the parts that are favorable- or so the apologists say. I'm glad the bible wasn't assembled by throwing out the unfavorable parts.
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Post by DumSpiroSpero on Jun 12, 2012 23:18:12 GMT -5
telling...
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Post by snow on Jun 13, 2012 12:37:51 GMT -5
I don't really think this kind of thinking is just relegated to the 2x2's or religions in general, it finds its way into many people's thoughts. It is so much more comfortable to look at the inspiring things in life. So in a sense I guess it's human nature because we try to avoid being uncomfortable. It takes a courage to actually 'do' something about things that are not 'inspiring' in this world. Thankfully there are many who do this all the time in and out of religions.
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Post by sharonw on Jun 13, 2012 12:48:10 GMT -5
The group "isolation" around the workers is part of the problem with the workers keeping up to speed on things like the CSA issues....didn't one of the more liberal workers tell a former friend that up until just a matter of days before the conversation was he aware of the effects of CSA or rape! So why would he not know? We have to admit since the workers do their mission work around the friends and their children, then spend months or weeks traveling to different convs and spec. mtgs. Just so that the friends can have the privilege of meeting workers not from their state/field. Otherwords the friends are being very coddled by the workers and vice versa. Thus the friends are somewhat isolated except in their work and school things, yet they themselves are not up to speed that other folks are on the "news" of the century, etc.
Whereas the beginning workers were all about moving around the country getting "new" converts...they didn't spend that much time coddling the friends and perhaps that is why the older and oldest generation of friends were of a different mindset....they had to learn to walk on their own and they prospered in doing so.
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Post by Linford Bledsoe on Jun 13, 2012 13:27:30 GMT -5
The group "isolation" around the workers is part of the problem with the workers keeping up to speed on things like the CSA issues....didn't one of the more liberal workers tell a former friend that up until just a matter of days before the conversation was he aware of the effects of CSA or rape! So why would he not know? We have to admit since the workers do their mission work around the friends and their children, then spend months or weeks traveling to different convs and spec. mtgs. Just so that the friends can have the privilege of meeting workers not from their state/field. Otherwords the friends are being very coddled by the workers and vice versa. Thus the friends are somewhat isolated except in their work and school things, yet they themselves are not up to speed that other folks are on the "news" of the century, etc. Whereas the beginning workers were all about moving around the country getting "new" converts...they didn't spend that much time coddling the friends and perhaps that is why the older and oldest generation of friends were of a different mindset....they had to learn to walk on their own and they prospered in doing so. So you are saying that there never was any issues with the early workers? Were you shielded as well.
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Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Jun 13, 2012 18:09:24 GMT -5
Fascinating quote. "Idolizing truth" is a recent phenomenon, I'm sure, we smirk about how enlightened we are by separating bits of history into buckets of fact and fiction. It's a fun bit of speculation, but not of much benefit...it just forces us to readjust our foundation every little while without changing what's above the foundation. At least that's my observation.
I'm also glad the Bible is the way it is.
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Post by sharonw on Jun 13, 2012 19:05:54 GMT -5
The group "isolation" around the workers is part of the problem with the workers keeping up to speed on things like the CSA issues....didn't one of the more liberal workers tell a former friend that up until just a matter of days before the conversation was he aware of the effects of CSA or rape! So why would he not know? We have to admit since the workers do their mission work around the friends and their children, then spend months or weeks traveling to different convs and spec. mtgs. Just so that the friends can have the privilege of meeting workers not from their state/field. Otherwords the friends are being very coddled by the workers and vice versa. Thus the friends are somewhat isolated except in their work and school things, yet they themselves are not up to speed that other folks are on the "news" of the century, etc. Whereas the beginning workers were all about moving around the country getting "new" converts...they didn't spend that much time coddling the friends and perhaps that is why the older and oldest generation of friends were of a different mindset....they had to learn to walk on their own and they prospered in doing so. So you are saying that there never was any issues with the early workers? Were you shielded as well. Yes, though mostly shielded by those professing that were within my area. As to issues with the workers, there were relatively few, it seems as the workers were not available for the friends to have issues with them. When a worker(s) came around, it was always for a very brief visit as they were going to get back to their mission field for they didn't want to leave those there that were coming to gospel mtgs. So access to the workers and workers' access to the friends were relatively low due to the dynamics of the numbers of ready friends in the beginning, or at least here in the states.
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Post by gaoyojin on Jun 14, 2012 15:11:43 GMT -5
I'm also glad the Bible is the way it is. I am also glad. What saddens me is that so many, even (especially?) those that read this marvelous work regularly and diligently, misunderstand so greatly what it is, what it is not, how is came to be, etc. And these misunderstandings so often lead to very faulty interpretations, and even worship of this great literary compilation (and/or the text it contains.)
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Post by emy on Jun 14, 2012 19:07:38 GMT -5
I'm also glad the Bible is the way it is. I am also glad. What saddens me is that so many, even (especially?) those that read this marvelous work regularly and diligently, misunderstand so greatly what it is, what it is not, how is came to be, etc. And these misunderstandings so often lead to very faulty interpretations, and even worship of this great literary compilation (and/or the text it contains.) The wonder of the Bible is that no one can say anyone else cannot find edification for his/her soul in it, even if it is not what you find. What would you call the "final authority" on scripture interpretation?
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Post by quizzer on Jun 15, 2012 10:01:03 GMT -5
A lot of great empires have written their history to record their victories and barely mention their failures. One nice thing about the Bible - the Israelites recorded both their victories and their defeats, even their captivities.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2012 10:26:36 GMT -5
I'm also glad the Bible is the way it is. I am also glad. What saddens me is that so many, even (especially?) those that read this marvelous work regularly and diligently, misunderstand so greatly what it is, what it is not, how is came to be, etc. And these misunderstandings so often lead to very faulty interpretations, and even worship of this great literary compilation (and/or the text it contains.) How do you determine whether someone has misunderstood the bible or whether someone's misunderstanding of the bible has led to faulty interpretation? Who gets to decide what is the correct interpretation of a biblical text and what is a faulty interpretation? Matt10
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Post by snow on Jun 15, 2012 17:11:01 GMT -5
I am also glad. What saddens me is that so many, even (especially?) those that read this marvelous work regularly and diligently, misunderstand so greatly what it is, what it is not, how is came to be, etc. And these misunderstandings so often lead to very faulty interpretations, and even worship of this great literary compilation (and/or the text it contains.) How do you determine whether someone has misunderstood the bible or whether someone's misunderstanding of the bible has led to faulty interpretation? Who gets to decide what is the correct interpretation of a biblical text and what is a faulty interpretation? Matt10 And that of course, is the problem. And what do we make of contradictions?
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