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Post by quizzer on Jun 11, 2012 8:59:41 GMT -5
Remember that the owners of the grounds are in fact private individuals and that the grounds are their private property that they generously make available to you and others for convention (and often for other events as well). This is where the gray area between public and private property grows. Granted, the land may be owned by a private individual, but the workers do make most of the calls about changes to the land. Also, if the private individual chooses to sell the land, then the workers expect the right of first refusal. Owned privately, but operated by the workers (public figures of the 2x2s). If the convention grounds were a private campsite, how would this be different? I know the one in my area would usually keep regular customers informed of changes to the campsite. They're not necessarily obliged, but it does help everyone feel that they're a part of the area and cuts down on the "why weren't we told" question sessions. |
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Post by calleduntoliberty on Jun 11, 2012 10:51:51 GMT -5
There is no "gray area between public and private property". Granting permission to use land does not lessen one's property rights in the property. Nor does delegating authority to make building decisions. the "workers expect the right of first refusal"? This expectation, if it happens, does not equate with a property right. If the convention grounds were a private campsite, how would this be different? I know the one in my area would usually keep regular customers informed of changes to the campsite. They're not necessarily obliged, but it does help everyone feel that they're a part of the area and cuts down on the "why weren't we told" question sessions. That's essentially what they are, which is what I've been trying to say. They're private property. And generally the people who frequently use the convention grounds for convention are kept informed of significant changes, probably to a greater degree than most rented campsite spaces. There are definitely good reasons to keep regular visitors informed. That doesn't mean that there's a legal or ethical requirement for doing so. |
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Post by quizzer on Jun 11, 2012 14:14:41 GMT -5
Granting permission to use land does not lessen one's property rights in the property. Nor does delegating authority to make building decisions. the "workers expect the right of first refusal"? This expectation, if it happens, does not equate with a property right. What are property rights? It seems to me that building decisions and selling decisions would hinge on property rights. |
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Post by calleduntoliberty on Jun 11, 2012 14:41:29 GMT -5
That's right. They would. You don't know what property rights are?
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Post by quizzer on Jun 11, 2012 17:31:56 GMT -5
To some extent, I do know about property rights. It seems, though, that you're arguing the theory of property rights on the convention grounds versus the practice of property rights on the convention grounds.
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Post by calleduntoliberty on Jun 11, 2012 18:28:09 GMT -5
There is no theory vs. practice of property rights. There are property rights and then there is behavior. Behavior can respect property rights or it can be in violation of property rights. For an example that pertains to this thread, if a worker were to arrange for a building to be built on a convention grounds without consulting the owners or having prior permission, that would be a violation of property rights. Workers or others acting in concert with the property owner's desired use of the property respects the property rights.
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Post by Tim Jones 'kyblue' on Aug 6, 2012 14:46:35 GMT -5
Being in Central KY, Linda McMaine farms a small piece of land by the convention's cesspool (you can see it from the Bluegrass Parkway if you know where to look). She sells her goods at the (Lexington) Bluegrass Farmer's Market. They have several markets around town on different days, so the BFM is indeed a legitimate organization.
If you look up "Kentucky Secretary of State" and search for Bluegrass Farmer's Market, you will find Linda is the Registered Agent for the organization as well as VP. I don't know the other names of the other officers listed but they are not F&W.
I am a Registered Agent for a small Kentucky organization, so I report to the state as well. We keep our groups in good standing, pay the necessary fees, and update information about the organization as needed. Also being a 501(c)3 tax exempt organization like Linda's BFM, we do not pay taxes and do not have to report income up to a certain amount. To attain tax exempt status, the group needs to have a cause, and there are many wide ranging groups. I can only imagine other states operate much the same way.
The Bluegrass Farmer's Market is well known in the community. I am not writing this in support of Linda McMaine, but just reporting facts about non-profit organizations in Kentucky. Hopefully, this clears up the controversy.
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Post by UnwillingWorldling on Aug 20, 2024 19:54:20 GMT -5
WOW. With this lineup, the overseers are giving a big middle finger to AFTT and anybody else who wants to clean things up. If you are still in the cult, you won't want to miss PredatorFest 2024 in Salvisa this weekend!  |
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Post by Pragmatic on Aug 20, 2024 19:59:36 GMT -5
Aren't there allegations against Topinka?
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Post by fixit on Aug 20, 2024 22:33:18 GMT -5
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Post by fixit on Aug 20, 2024 22:35:04 GMT -5
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Post by fixit on Aug 20, 2024 22:37:12 GMT -5
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Post by Pragmatic on Aug 21, 2024 3:00:18 GMT -5
Cheers - I thought the name seemed familiar
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