|
Post by Why on Jun 15, 2006 19:16:45 GMT -5
Workers often make remarried friends keep their mouths shut in meeting! They cannot pray or speak in some areas. Yet others in the same meeting may have violated other scriptures and they are able to pray/speak!
I know remarried folks who would love to marry but feel they cannot do this and "take part!" Bondage!
Why do the workers make such a fuss about this sin and ignore other sins?
They need more love and less law!
|
|
|
Post by withopeneyes (Mandy) on Jun 15, 2006 19:36:19 GMT -5
I also think it is ridiculous that people are punished in public (ie, meetings) for divorce or/and remarriage.
We are all sinners. There are those who have had affairs and they've never been asked to stop.
|
|
|
Post by swan on Jun 15, 2006 19:38:52 GMT -5
Workers often make remarried friends keep their mouths shut in meeting! They cannot pray or speak in some areas. Yet others in the same meeting may have violated other scriptures and they are able to pray/speak! I know remarried folks who would love to marry but feel they cannot do this and "take part!" Bondage! Why do the workers make such a fuss about this sin and ignore other sins? They need more love and less law! If folks are smart they'll just walk away from it...just walk away
|
|
|
Post by swan on Jun 15, 2006 19:41:41 GMT -5
My advice is just walk away from it
|
|
|
Post by withopeneyes (Mandy) on Jun 15, 2006 19:42:42 GMT -5
In a lot of areas, the workers will come and talk to the person and tell them to just "speak with God" about it and do what they are moved to do. I don't know a person who has been "moved" to stop giving their testimony in meetings!
|
|
|
Post by former 2x2 on Jun 15, 2006 19:45:42 GMT -5
i never could figure that out! No one KNOWS US like God does... so who can really judge as to who should and should not take part ?
|
|
|
Post by break on Jun 15, 2006 20:39:24 GMT -5
break Gods law and then want to have part
|
|
|
Post by just walk away on Jun 15, 2006 20:47:47 GMT -5
Loyd wrote - just walk away.
good idea - you can then marry or live with whoever you want. soon you wil be able to have multiple partners. as of today in Colorado you can marry at 12. we are right into serial marriage now. and there's homosexual marriage. soon you can marry your dog, for sure. i like the idea of one day marriage.
A world with faith, but no works, is producing some interesting and totally unpredictable results, isn't it Loyd?
|
|
studylearning unplugged
Guest
|
Post by studylearning unplugged on Jun 15, 2006 22:36:07 GMT -5
break Gods law and then want to have part He who is without sin, let them cast the first stone--
|
|
|
Post by ok on Jun 16, 2006 3:10:21 GMT -5
break Gods law and then want to have part He who is without sin, let them cast the first stone--ok to break Gods law then aye
|
|
|
Post by IllinoisGal on Jun 16, 2006 6:10:00 GMT -5
I also think it is ridiculous that people are punished in public (ie, meetings) for divorce or/and remarriage. We are all sinners. There are those who have had affairs and they've never been asked to stop. Ouch..Whats wrong with that picture then? If God has forgiven whom are we to judge who is holy enough to testify?
|
|
|
Post by withopeneyes (Mandy) on Jun 16, 2006 9:54:27 GMT -5
Exactly.
Only God knows ALL of our sins. Its odd to pinpoint one or two and say, "These result in no speaking"
|
|
|
Post by Think again on Jun 16, 2006 10:48:37 GMT -5
Loyd wrote - just walk away. good idea - you can then marry or live with whoever you want. soon you wil be able to have multiple partners. as of today in Colorado you can marry at 12. we are right into serial marriage now. and there's homosexual marriage. soon you can marry your dog, for sure. i like the idea of one day marriage. I don't think Colorado has a minimum marriage age. For people under 16, a Judicial Court Order along with parental consent is necessary. So you can marry people off at 8 if you wish! Given that Colorado is also a common law state you just have to prove cohabitation and have a reputation of being married. It is about time the government got out of the marriage business.
|
|
|
Post by scripture on Jun 16, 2006 17:55:18 GMT -5
there is scripture for asking someone to not take part.. 1 Corinthians 5 Expel the Immoral Brother! 1It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that does not occur even among pagans: A man has his father's wife. 2And you are proud! Shouldn't you rather have been filled with grief and have put out of your fellowship the man who did this? 3Even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. And I have already passed judgment on the one who did this, just as if I were present. 4When you are assembled in the name of our Lord Jesus and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord.
|
|
|
Post by Rob O on Jun 16, 2006 20:27:42 GMT -5
Actually, that scripture has nothing to do with asking someone to not take part. It is an admonition to excommunicate someone. Excommunication is not the same thing as the workers request for someone to "not take part" in their weekly house meetings.
|
|
|
Post by bowhunter on Jun 16, 2006 22:03:34 GMT -5
I think it is one of few real ways that they can control people-since the punishment is 'public',peer pressure takes care of the rest,the rest of the group won't cross the workers even if they disagree.
It is odd that they pick that sin to publicly punish-maybe because it is defined in the Bible and not as easy to cover?
|
|
|
Post by Sylvestra on Jun 17, 2006 14:02:48 GMT -5
break Gods law and then want to have part Do you know ANYONE who hasn't broken God's Law?!!!!! I think not! E
|
|
|
Post by hi6 on Jun 17, 2006 19:40:57 GMT -5
If someone is disloyal to their husband/wife, then I don't have a problem with the workers taking action. But when neither party did nothing to disrupt a previous marriage, no action should be taken. Let me make myself clear: Disloyalty (putting away one's spouse) is the problem.
hypothetical situation: John and Carolyn divorced in 1963. Carolyn marries David in 1985. Worker tells both parties they cannot take part! John never remarried so he can take part. When John dies, Carolyn and David can "take part!".
I understand a minister/worker wanting to take a stand against maritial infidelity to a point. But mercy should also prevail. The policy of Eldon Tenniswood and his underlings is cruel in my opinion. I don't agree with the freedom to remarry option available after the death of an ex-spouse.
|
|
|
Post by lilwolfmisty on Jun 17, 2006 20:28:40 GMT -5
My mom was a second generation 2X2. My grandparents had a meeting in their home, but I thank God everyday that when my dad started verbally and emotionally abusing my mom that my Grandpa advised her to get a divorce. He did not let the workers dictate that, but it was what the workers did afterwards that was horrible and had lasting reprecussions. My dad stayed in the 2X2's for 20 more years always denying his sexual side trying to be a "good servant of God". Now God did NOT put us on this earth to be alone and miserable! Of course it is more noble to stay single, but for some like my dad they cannot be alone or they turn to sick thoughts. I am convinced that the 2X2 way was not the exucuse or the reason, but a contributing factor to the reason that he molested 4 of his grandaughters. My mom remarried and she got the best person ever. He has stood by her, treated her with respect and helped her over come many health issues. My Better Dad is the best My mom has been happy in her life except for the fact that she could not go to the chruch that she grew up in. She feels left out. She tried to go for awhile but it wasn't the same people staring at you and whispering behind your back and all. Me I was sooo determined not to get a divorce and put my kids through the same shame I felt having parents that were divorced and still going to meeting. That my ex molested my girls and I did not know it, because I was so determined to keep the marriage togather that I allowed him to physically, mentally and emotionally abuse me for 18 years. He molested all 5 of our girls As a result I am still fighting the state for the youngest 2 all because I did not belive in divorce, and because I thought the husband was always right. These were messages taught me during my growing up years. If I had been in any other church there would have been the support I needed instead of the shame I felt for not being able to hold my family togather. I felt like I wasn't holy enough, because obviously I did not hold my family togather. I had a argument with my mom because now I go to another church and I see things different than the way she was raised. We worked it out, but the point is all this BS that we were led to belive was true about marriage and remarriage still affects my life and her life after years of being out. I still have days where I feel like I have let God down by not holding my family togather. But the new me says back up... 1) God meant us to be with someone that we love 2) Divorce was allowed in bible times 3) God looks at what is INSIDE and if a conditon like no remarriage is going to cause us to sin isn't it better to have a healthy adult relationship than to try to seek out relationships that are hidden and more than likely not a healthy or appropriate choice? 4) workers or any human should not be judging the behavior of others that is GOD's job !!!
|
|
|
Post by seeking truth on Jun 17, 2006 23:25:51 GMT -5
One sister worker went so far as to tell a couple that they could not sing in meeting. It's hard to think outside the box when you are in the box and have been taught that anything outside the box isn't safe and may cost you your soul. That is reason enough to view those who are in that box with compassion and pray fervently for them.
In His tender care
seeking truth
|
|
|
Post by ilylo on Jun 17, 2006 23:28:45 GMT -5
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2006 5:19:17 GMT -5
Its just more social control.
Truthfully, it has nothing to do with the bible or religion or God. The thought was that the more you have to give up to belong, the more committed that you will be. This is common to all kinds of social groups from fraternities to the NHL. The interesting thing was that Mr George and Jack Carroll had different philosophies of social control. Mr George liked controlling outward appearance, Jack wanted to focus on behavior control. So, their areas have been influenced by this.
|
|