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Post by Lee on Dec 4, 2011 15:18:24 GMT -5
OK ;D
Topic is a chocolate bar made by Mars, Incorporated in France and sold throughout Europe and the United States. It contains hazelnuts, nougat and caramel.
The fictional character Arnold Rimmer from the British TV sci-fi comedy Red Dwarf mentioned that he was the only person ever to buy a Topic bar with no hazelnuts in it at all. This was a joke based on the bar's 1980s advertising slogan which claimed there was "a hazelnut in every bite". In another episode, when Rimmer is trying to chat with Lister to distract him from thinking about food, he states that he "can't think of another topic" - prompting the response "don't talk about Topics, they're food!"[citation needed]
The chocolate bar was promoted in a series of radio advertisements broadcast in 2002 with the strapline "A joy to eat, but a doll to make".[1] These adverts featured actors Simon Pegg and Mark Heap who both appeared in the cult British TV comedy Spaced.
The Topic was removed from boxes of Celebrations in 2006, along with Twix. It has been speculated that the Topic was the least popular chocolate in the box, although others believe that its withdrawal was down to its similarity to the Snickers bar.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2011 15:29:01 GMT -5
Is there EVER anyone involved in a configuration that the rest of the world regards to be a cult, that would accept that description of their group? Denial is one of the integral characteristics!
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Post by StAnne on Dec 4, 2011 19:12:58 GMT -5
I even remember when we ate real food, whole foods. What would you classify as unreal foods? Partial foods? Besides the additives and other things listed above, lets include antibiotics and hormones in animal feed, (and arsenic in chicken feed) as not being 'whole foods'. My earlier point being ... breakfast & lunch at school (or daycare) from pre-prepared, packaged foods (most likely pre-cooked and re-cooked by deep-fat frying) and grab a McDonalds for supper after ball practice.  And there you have it - nutrition of champions - typical diet of many children of today. In some instances, the breakfast & lunch at school are their meals for the day. Supper may be cold cereal, ramen noodle soup, or pb&j sammie. If that. |
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Post by slowtosee on Dec 4, 2011 19:28:30 GMT -5
Is there EVER anyone involved in a configuration that the rest of the world regards to be a cult, that would accept that description of their group? Denial is one of the integral characteristics! Good question, Edgar. I don't know. For myself, after I professed, my uncle who was genuinely concerned about his nephew, mentioned that he had heard that maybe the "group' I was involved with was a "cult". He ddn't say it was, at all, but wondered what I thought about that. Naturally, I defended it, and was kind of offended at the thought of himn even him asking me about it. He had no axe to grind with the group and actually offered the workers some "stuff", can't remember what it was now, but he had LOTS of experience with a different legalistic group, and recognized the similarities. For myself, I did not consider myself to be in a cult. I was kinda used to being "different" , since I was raised "mennonite', so false accusations or ridiclule was not altogether new to me. I think if someone is using the term to ridicule or degrade a group , it is not "fair", but I sure don't think it is wrong to QUESTION whether some "group" or whatever is cultish, with sincere concern for the people involved. Alvin |
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Post by Lee on Dec 4, 2011 23:19:27 GMT -5
I'd just refer to the F&W as a sect Irvine, and report as faithfully as possible upon the good, the bad, and the ugly. Unless it is your intent and focus to give an analysis of how a cult is a cult in contrast to the general culture, and relate the 2x2 thereon.
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Post by rational on Dec 5, 2011 11:53:17 GMT -5
Wordpress is hardly where I would go to look for anything factual. Looking just at the first item - nitrates/nitrites: There are more nitrites in vegetables (beets, spinach, celery, radishes, etc.) than in preserved meats. To look at a less hysterical report: www.extension.umn.edu/distribution/nutrition/DJ0974.htmlConsider the hysteria surrounding the use of MSG. While a small percentage of the population does suffer short term adverse reactions the research has shown this compound to be safe. The adverse reactions are far fewer and less severe than those who display adverse reactions to peanuts, tree nuts, celery, gluten, dairy, etc. While there are additives that people should not consume in quantity there needs to be some consideration additives like nitrites do prevent deaths resulting from food spoilage. A much more balanced site but still presented as a scare tactics. While many of these additives do cause cancer in rats when injected directly into the animal in concentrated form that does not mean that they will cause cancer if used as food coloring for the frosting on birthday cakes. Unless, of course, that is someone only food for a few months! I think you have used whole when you mean wholesome. While there have been abuses with the use of antibiotic and hormones the benefits of their use is never mentioned. The major benefit is less expensive food which means more people will get food to eat. Sometimes a step back and a critical look at the alternatives shows a different picture. An interesting note: Milk from 'organic' farms have higher level of estradiaol and progesterone than the 'non-organic' milk. Turns out that when the cows are not given the hormones they can make their own. In greater amounts. This is true. I see it as a number of problems: 1) It is expensive, from a cost and labor standpoint, to est healthy food. 2) Many people do not cook because they don't know how. don't have the time, or just find it easier to eat out. 3) Institutions that are providing meals have seen their funding cut and in many cases are doing the best they can. 4) Food has been engineered to satisfy people's needs. If you are poor and hungry are you going to go and purchase a vegetable dip and humus or a BigMac? It is always interesting to listen to people explain the evils of refined white sugar while spooning honey into their herbal infusions! |
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Post by StAnne on Dec 5, 2011 15:19:39 GMT -5
Wordpress is hardly where I would go to look for anything factual. Looking just at the first item - nitrates/nitrites: There are more nitrites in vegetables (beets, spinach, celery, radishes, etc.) than in preserved meats. To look at a less hysterical report: www.extension.umn.edu/distribution/nutrition/DJ0974.htmlConsider the hysteria surrounding the use of MSG. While a small percentage of the population does suffer short term adverse reactions the research has shown this compound to be safe. The adverse reactions are far fewer and less severe than those who display adverse reactions to peanuts, tree nuts, celery, gluten, dairy, etc. While there are additives that people should not consume in quantity there needs to be some consideration additives like nitrites do prevent deaths resulting from food spoilage. A much more balanced site but still presented as a scare tactics. While many of these additives do cause cancer in rats when injected directly into the animal in concentrated form that does not mean that they will cause cancer if used as food coloring for the frosting on birthday cakes. Unless, of course, that is someone only food for a few months! I think you have used whole when you mean wholesome. While there have been abuses with the use of antibiotic and hormones the benefits of their use is never mentioned. The major benefit is less expensive food which means more people will get food to eat. Sometimes a step back and a critical look at the alternatives shows a different picture. An interesting note: Milk from 'organic' farms have higher level of estradiaol and progesterone than the 'non-organic' milk. Turns out that when the cows are not given the hormones they can make their own. In greater amounts. This is true. I see it as a number of problems: 1) It is expensive, from a cost and labor standpoint, to est healthy food. 2) Many people do not cook because they don't know how. don't have the time, or just find it easier to eat out. 3) Institutions that are providing meals have seen their funding cut and in many cases are doing the best they can. 4) Food has been engineered to satisfy people's needs. If you are poor and hungry are you going to go and purchase a vegetable dip and humus or a BigMac? It is always interesting to listen to people explain the evils of refined white sugar while spooning honey into their herbal infusions! A lot of people are able to eat (in this very difficult economy) because of the $1 menu at McD's - no doubt about it. Whole foods is a catch phrase commonly used now ... (besides the Whole Foods grocery line (we have a new one in our metro area now - yay!!) - yummy organic chickens & fresh turkeys (I don't know that the fresh turkeys are a yr-round thing ... or holidays only ...)). Whole foods - Eating more whole foods is a good way to replace many of the processed snacks and foods that have a lot of extra sugar, fat (including trans fat), salt, and other things added to them and a lot of good things taken out, such as fiber.
pediatrics.about.com/od/nutrition/a/08_whole_foods.htm
Healthy whole foods: you might know that you're supposed to eat them. But do you really know what they are?
"We live in a society that eats so much processed and manufactured food, that I think there's some genuine confusion about what qualifies as a whole food," says Tara Gidus, RD, a spokesperson for the American Dietetic Association. Even for the health conscious, the phrase gets tangled up with other terms. Whole foods might be organic, or locally grown, or pesticide-free. But they aren't necessarily. The definition of healthy whole foods is much simpler.
www.webmd.com/diet/features/the-benefits-of-healthy-whole-foods
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Post by Done4now on Dec 5, 2011 15:44:28 GMT -5
I personally try to eat as few overly processed foods as possible. We all know what they are--and most of them aren't by any means healthy--Doritos, Oreos, Twinkies etc.
Most of these highly processed foods are packed with empty calories--and the reason why so many are overweight.
In general, if my great-grandparents wouldn't have recognized it as food--then I generally avoid it if possible. (although I do occasionally have a bite).
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Post by StAnne on Dec 5, 2011 15:54:00 GMT -5
I personally try to eat as few overly processed foods as possible. We all know what they are--and most of them aren't by any means healthy--Doritos, Oreos, Twinkies etc. Most of these highly processed foods are packed with empty calories--and the reason why so many are overweight. In general, if my great-grandparents wouldn't have recognized it as food--then I generally avoid it if possible. (although I do occasionally have a bite). I haven't had one - but how about deep fried Twinkies - a la State Fair of TX origination, I believe ... ( Out for me since I now have to eat GF anyway.) |
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Post by Done4now on Dec 5, 2011 15:57:48 GMT -5
I personally try to eat as few overly processed foods as possible. We all know what they are--and most of them aren't by any means healthy--Doritos, Oreos, Twinkies etc. Most of these highly processed foods are packed with empty calories--and the reason why so many are overweight. In general, if my great-grandparents wouldn't have recognized it as food--then I generally avoid it if possible. (although I do occasionally have a bite). I haven't had one - but how about deep fried Twinkies - a la State Fair of TX origination, I believe ... ( Out for me since I now have to eat GF anyway.) have never tried it--but I have thought about it! I have no prejudice against frying as a cooking method (except for the high calories). I just try to avoid highly overly processed foods (or only indulge in them as a rare occasional treat). Everyone has their own dietary peccadilloes. |
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Post by quizzer on Dec 5, 2011 18:09:27 GMT -5
Fried ice cream's good, as a very, very occasional treat. I think I'll leave off the deep-fried Twinkies. Just doesn't work for me, somehow.
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Post by sharonw on Dec 5, 2011 18:15:14 GMT -5
Wordpress is hardly where I would go to look for anything factual. Looking just at the first item - nitrates/nitrites: There are more nitrites in vegetables (beets, spinach, celery, radishes, etc.) than in preserved meats. To look at a less hysterical report: www.extension.umn.edu/distribution/nutrition/DJ0974.htmlConsider the hysteria surrounding the use of MSG. While a small percentage of the population does suffer short term adverse reactions the research has shown this compound to be safe. The adverse reactions are far fewer and less severe than those who display adverse reactions to peanuts, tree nuts, celery, gluten, dairy, etc. While there are additives that people should not consume in quantity there needs to be some consideration additives like nitrites do prevent deaths resulting from food spoilage. A much more balanced site but still presented as a scare tactics. While many of these additives do cause cancer in rats when injected directly into the animal in concentrated form that does not mean that they will cause cancer if used as food coloring for the frosting on birthday cakes. Unless, of course, that is someone only food for a few months! I think you have used whole when you mean wholesome. While there have been abuses with the use of antibiotic and hormones the benefits of their use is never mentioned. The major benefit is less expensive food which means more people will get food to eat. Sometimes a step back and a critical look at the alternatives shows a different picture. An interesting note: Milk from 'organic' farms have higher level of estradiaol and progesterone than the 'non-organic' milk. Turns out that when the cows are not given the hormones they can make their own. In greater amounts. This is true. I see it as a number of problems: 1) It is expensive, from a cost and labor standpoint, to est healthy food. 2) Many people do not cook because they don't know how. don't have the time, or just find it easier to eat out. 3) Institutions that are providing meals have seen their funding cut and in many cases are doing the best they can. 4) Food has been engineered to satisfy people's needs. If you are poor and hungry are you going to go and purchase a vegetable dip and humus or a BigMac? It is always interesting to listen to people explain the evils of refined white sugar while spooning honey into their herbal infusions! Strangely enough, though soy is known as the most common food allergy that there is but that restaurants use soy oil almost entirely because the government reccommends it. Guess what? That will eventually bring about slow business because people with soy allergies have either died at their hand or they are smart enough to stay away! Go figure! |
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Post by StAnne on Dec 5, 2011 22:47:52 GMT -5
Wordpress is hardly where I would go to look for anything factual. Looking just at the first item - nitrates/nitrites: There are more nitrites in vegetables (beets, spinach, celery, radishes, etc.) than in preserved meats. To look at a less hysterical report: www.extension.umn.edu/distribution/nutrition/DJ0974.htmlConsider the hysteria surrounding the use of MSG. While a small percentage of the population does suffer short term adverse reactions the research has shown this compound to be safe. The adverse reactions are far fewer and less severe than those who display adverse reactions to peanuts, tree nuts, celery, gluten, dairy, etc. While there are additives that people should not consume in quantity there needs to be some consideration additives like nitrites do prevent deaths resulting from food spoilage. A much more balanced site but still presented as a scare tactics. While many of these additives do cause cancer in rats when injected directly into the animal in concentrated form that does not mean that they will cause cancer if used as food coloring for the frosting on birthday cakes. Unless, of course, that is someone only food for a few months! I think you have used whole when you mean wholesome. While there have been abuses with the use of antibiotic and hormones the benefits of their use is never mentioned. The major benefit is less expensive food which means more people will get food to eat. Sometimes a step back and a critical look at the alternatives shows a different picture. An interesting note: Milk from 'organic' farms have higher level of estradiaol and progesterone than the 'non-organic' milk. Turns out that when the cows are not given the hormones they can make their own. In greater amounts. This is true. I see it as a number of problems: 1) It is expensive, from a cost and labor standpoint, to est healthy food. 2) Many people do not cook because they don't know how. don't have the time, or just find it easier to eat out. 3) Institutions that are providing meals have seen their funding cut and in many cases are doing the best they can. 4) Food has been engineered to satisfy people's needs. If you are poor and hungry are you going to go and purchase a vegetable dip and humus or a BigMac? It is always interesting to listen to people explain the evils of refined white sugar while spooning honey into their herbal infusions! Strangely enough, though soy is known as the most common food allergy that there is but that restaurants use soy oil almost entirely because the government reccommends it. Guess what? That will eventually bring about slow business because people with soy allergies have either died at their hand or they are smart enough to stay away! Go figure! You're right - soy is in nearly everything processed now. Margerines, salad dressings ... check the labels. I didn't realize HOW pervasive soy is until I had to begin eating GF and began reading labels. I really should try to eliminate soy too - it could be causing me difficulty, but because I don't react in the same way to gluten that a lot of people do, I don't know if I'm reactive to soy, or not. |
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Post by What Hat on Dec 5, 2011 23:09:26 GMT -5
Is there EVER anyone involved in a configuration that the rest of the world regards to be a cult, that would accept that description of their group? Denial is one of the integral characteristics! Let me follow your logic here, Edgar. Thus, since I don't belong to the f&w, and deny it is a cult, it must not be a cult. I would have to become a member and continue the denial, then it would be a cult. If I stayed for a while, and began to think it was a cult, then it must not be a cult, since denial is an integral characteristic. |
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Post by rational on Dec 5, 2011 23:20:16 GMT -5
Strangely enough, though soy is known as the most common food allergy that there is but that restaurants use soy oil almost entirely because the government reccommends it. This is incorrect. Soy allergy accounts to less than 1/ 2 percent of allergies in children and since about 50% of them will outgrow that allergy it is not a major allergy for adults. The most common food allergies (sometimes known as the Big-8) in order of frequency are: Milk Peanuts Shellfish Tree nuts Eggs Fish SoyWheat. It is doubtful that even if all the people with soy allergies avoided a restaurant that it would be a major loss of business - less than 0.5% or 5 out of 1,000 customers. This coupled to the fact that soy oil contains so little protein that only the severely allergic people (about 10%) will even notice it brings the number down to 1 person in 2,000. |
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Post by sharonw on Dec 6, 2011 11:19:57 GMT -5
"Soy is one of the most common food allergens in the United States, and soy allergy affects about 0.4% of children. Soy is not as common an allergen for adults. About half of children will outgrow their soy allergies by the age of 7." foodallergies.about.com/od/soyallergies/a/Soy-Allergy-Overview.htmBetween 50% and 90% of all severe allergic reactions to foods are caused by only eight foods. The most common food allergies are: milk, eggs, peanuts, tree nuts, soy, wheat, fish and shellfish. Each of these "big eight" food allergies has its own unique challenges. The most common food allergies for adults differs from the most common food allergies for children. Many children outgrow their allergies to milk, eggs, or wheat in early childhood. Adults may develop new allergies later in life. foodallergies.about.com/od/foodallergybasics/a/big_eight_fa.htm |
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Post by rational on Dec 6, 2011 11:35:24 GMT -5
Sharon, soy is one of the most common allergies in children (#6) but it is not the most common allergy and in adults it does not make the chart. Your post about the restaurant cooking with soy oil was simply in error even without considering that 90% of people with soy allergy would not be bothered by foods cooked in soy oil. The most common food allergies in American adults, and percent of people who have them, are: Shellfish (2%) Peanut (0.6%) Tree nuts (0.5%) Fish (0.4%) Sesame (0.1%) Fruits and vegetables (estimated at 0.1% - 4.3%) The most common food allergies in children, and the percent of children who have them, are: Milk (2.5%) Eggs (1.5%) Peanuts (1.4%) Tree nuts (1.1%) Wheat (0.4%), Soy (0.4%) Fish (0.1%) Shellfish (0.1%) Sesame (0.1%) foodallergies.about.com/od/foodallergybasics/a/Top_Food_Allergies_Children.htm"Soy is one of the most common food allergens in the United States, and soy allergy affects about 0.4% of children. Soy is not as common an allergen for adults. About half of children will outgrow their soy allergies by the age of 7." foodallergies.about.com/od/soyallergies/a/Soy-Allergy-Overview.htmBetween 50% and 90% of all severe allergic reactions to foods are caused by only eight foods. The most common food allergies are: milk, eggs, peanuts, tree nuts, soy, wheat, fish and shellfish. Each of these "big eight" food allergies has its own unique challenges. The most common food allergies for adults differs from the most common food allergies for children. Many children outgrow their allergies to milk, eggs, or wheat in early childhood. Adults may develop new allergies later in life. foodallergies.about.com/od/foodallergybasics/a/big_eight_fa.htm |
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Post by irvinegrey on Dec 6, 2011 13:55:01 GMT -5
Sharon, soy is one of the most common allergies in children (#6) but it is not the most common allergy and in adults it does not make the chart. Your post about the restaurant cooking with soy oil was simply in error even without considering that 90% of people with soy allergy would not be bothered by foods cooked in soy oil. The most common food allergies in American adults, and percent of people who have them, are: Shellfish (2%) Peanut (0.6%) Tree nuts (0.5%) Fish (0.4%) Sesame (0.1%) Fruits and vegetables (estimated at 0.1% - 4.3%) The most common food allergies in children, and the percent of children who have them, are: Milk (2.5%) Eggs (1.5%) Peanuts (1.4%) Tree nuts (1.1%) Wheat (0.4%), Soy (0.4%) Fish (0.1%) Shellfish (0.1%) Sesame (0.1%) foodallergies.about.com/od/foodallergybasics/a/Top_Food_Allergies_Children.htm"Soy is one of the most common food allergens in the United States, and soy allergy affects about 0.4% of children. Soy is not as common an allergen for adults. About half of children will outgrow their soy allergies by the age of 7." foodallergies.about.com/od/soyallergies/a/Soy-Allergy-Overview.htmBetween 50% and 90% of all severe allergic reactions to foods are caused by only eight foods. The most common food allergies are: milk, eggs, peanuts, tree nuts, soy, wheat, fish and shellfish. Each of these "big eight" food allergies has its own unique challenges. The most common food allergies for adults differs from the most common food allergies for children. Many children outgrow their allergies to milk, eggs, or wheat in early childhood. Adults may develop new allergies later in life. foodallergies.about.com/od/foodallergybasics/a/big_eight_fa.htmI am really puzzled as to why this irrelevant exchange is going on in this thread. Can we get back to the topic. Edgar and What are trying! |
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Post by sharonw on Dec 6, 2011 14:23:59 GMT -5
Is there EVER anyone involved in a configuration that the rest of the world regards to be a cult, that would accept that description of their group? Denial is one of the integral characteristics! Let me follow your logic here, Edgar. Thus, since I don't belong to the f&w, and deny it is a cult, it must not be a cult. I would have to become a member and continue the denial, then it would be a cult. If I stayed for a while, and began to think it was a cult, then it must not be a cult, since denial is an integral characteristic. I think that most people look at "cult" as being very negative and that IS because of the Jones' koolaid kick perhaps and the David Kareesh fire branding, etc. It's too bad actually for that thought keeps people from really looking at what they're getting into for negative things that would be cult like but in fact there are things within that group that people actually like.....I think where there are "controlling" people over other people it should be considered a cult....for there is to be NO controlling according to Jesus' admonition to His Apostles.....the gentiles like to lord over one another, etc. |
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Post by rational on Dec 6, 2011 17:44:29 GMT -5
I am really puzzled as to why this irrelevant exchange is going on in this thread. Can we get back to the topic. Edgar and What are trying! At some point foods were mentioned and then allergies. Incorrect statements were corrected. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2011 18:16:42 GMT -5
I am really puzzled as to why this irrelevant exchange is going on in this thread. Can we get back to the topic. Edgar and What are trying! At some point foods were mentioned and then allergies. Incorrect statements were corrected. Well there is definitely the cult of potlucks among the friends.....and the cult of convention stew. There are many fervent devotees to both. Surely that is relevant! |
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Post by What Hat on Dec 6, 2011 18:44:36 GMT -5
At some point foods were mentioned and then allergies. Incorrect statements were corrected. Well there is definitely the cult of potlucks among the friends.....and the cult of convention stew. There are many fervent devotees to both. Surely that is relevant! Better the cult of stew than the cult of Stu, I always say. |
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Post by emy on Dec 6, 2011 21:13:13 GMT -5
Well there is definitely the cult of potlucks among the friends.....and the cult of convention stew. There are many fervent devotees to both. Surely that is relevant! Better the cult of stew than the cult of Stu, I always say. WHAT IN THE WORLD??? |
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Post by sharonw on Dec 6, 2011 21:55:38 GMT -5
At some point foods were mentioned and then allergies. Incorrect statements were corrected. Well there is definitely the cult of potlucks among the friends.....and the cult of convention stew. There are many fervent devotees to both. Surely that is relevant! I figure Scott Ross is in the cult for convention stew!  |
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Post by What Hat on Dec 6, 2011 22:17:50 GMT -5
Better the cult of stew than the cult of Stu, I always say. WHAT IN THE WORLD??? Hey, don't blame me, blame Stu or the stew or whatever. I thought the video would also be instructive so people could see how a real cult works. |
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Post by StAnne on Dec 6, 2011 22:19:26 GMT -5
I am really puzzled as to why this irrelevant exchange is going on in this thread. Can we get back to the topic. It's a message board. Stuff happens.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2011 22:37:29 GMT -5
Hey, don't blame me, blame Stu or the stew or whatever. I thought the video would also be instructive so people could see how a real cult works. Well I'm sure glad at least one of them got free.... |
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Post by emy on Dec 6, 2011 22:47:56 GMT -5
Hey, don't blame me, blame Stu or the stew or whatever. I thought the video would also be instructive so people could see how a real cult works. Well I'm sure glad at least one of them got free.... You call that free?? ;D |
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