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Post by computer9000hal on Dec 9, 2008 19:35:25 GMT -5
Oh for goodness sake, I really do not mind Mr Durston using my name, my name is splashed from time to time all over the media! I’m in the public eye anyway and I have a good mind to let the media have a look at this. Actually I wont, I will not allow myself to go as low as Mr Durston….speaking of which…tick tock! tick tock! Kind Regards Christine Harlan
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Post by jwbdurston on Dec 9, 2008 22:30:26 GMT -5
Ok I offer full apologies to ilylo, rational, ram and geof. Now the reason I put them together was to save space and I thought ram might enjoy his new title. I mean ram likes being masculine, that’s why he chose that name and if you look at his posts he kind of comes across as a bit of (oh never mind). I am just a bit worried that’s all, I mean the expression that sheep can be nervous and where men are men but really a ram in Scotland has cause for great concern….I mean why can’t he just be a sheep? Ilylo is obviously two faced and geoff……….well he likes having another alias……. I here declare to pull ilylo, ram, rational and geoff apart and address them by their proper names. I hope this will help.
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Post by ilylo on Dec 9, 2008 22:41:41 GMT -5
Ilylo is obviously two faced Coming from you, thanks for the compliment.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2008 8:19:17 GMT -5
Ok I offer full apologies to ilylo, rational, ram and geof. Now the reason I put them together was to save space and I thought ram might enjoy his new title. I mean ram likes being masculine, that’s why he chose that name and if you look at his posts he kind of comes across as a bit of (oh never mind). I am just a bit worried that’s all, I mean the expression that sheep can be nervous and where men are men but really a ram in Scotland has cause for great concern….I mean why can’t he just be a sheep? Ilylo is obviously two faced and geoff……….well he likes having another alias……. I here declare to pull ilylo, ram, rational and geoff apart and address them by their proper names. I hope this will help. Jimmy, many thanks pal. I am called ram because of my prowess with the opposite sex. I want ewe and ewe and ewe !It is mere coincidence that these are my initials. Being a horny beast, I am very much prone to going astray and my good Shepherd has constantly to leave the remainder of the flock to go out and find me and bring me back inside the fold. Being sheepish has many interpretations. I usually "butt" in on other people's posts. Yes, I am quite woolly between the ears at times and often get fleeced by others. At my age I'm often described as mutton dressed as lamb, but I could never be described as a wolf in sheep's clothing. You will know me by my fruits. Anyway Jimmy, nice to talk to you again. Stay cool. I can hear the shepherd calling us, so I better go and get the flock out of here !
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Post by Sharon on Dec 10, 2008 13:41:52 GMT -5
Ok I offer full apologies to ilylo, rational, ram and geof. Now the reason I put them together was to save space and I thought ram might enjoy his new title. I mean ram likes being masculine, that’s why he chose that name and if you look at his posts he kind of comes across as a bit of (oh never mind). I am just a bit worried that’s all, I mean the expression that sheep can be nervous and where men are men but really a ram in Scotland has cause for great concern….I mean why can’t he just be a sheep? Ilylo is obviously two faced and geoff……….well he likes having another alias……. I here declare to pull ilylo, ram, rational and geoff apart and address them by their proper names. I hope this will help. Jimmy, many thanks pal. I am called ram because of my prowess with the opposite sex. I want ewe and ewe and ewe !It is mere coincidence that these are my initials. Being a horny beast, I am very much prone to going astray and my good Shepherd has constantly to leave the remainder of the flock to go out and find me and bring me back inside the fold. Being sheepish has many interpretations. I usually "butt" in on other people's posts. Yes, I am quite woolly between the ears at times and often get fleeced by others. At my age I'm often described as mutton dressed as lamb, but I could never be described as a wolf in sheep's clothing. You will know me by my fruits. Anyway Jimmy, nice to talk to you again. Stay cool. I can hear the shepherd calling us, so I better go and get the flock out of here ! ram! This is hysterically funny! Quite a wit, aren't you! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2008 13:47:54 GMT -5
Siwells, most people who know me call me a "wit." However, they usually prefix it with a capital "T."
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Post by degem on Dec 10, 2008 13:53:43 GMT -5
better to be called a Twit, ram, than a "dimwit."
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Post by ann on Dec 10, 2008 14:40:13 GMT -5
"Are the Friends, Workers & Meetings a CULT?"
Absolutely, no doubt in my mind. It's all about fear & control.
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Post by Geoff on Dec 10, 2008 16:43:06 GMT -5
Ann: I'm a current member of what you call a cult. Do you claim that I'm in fear and under control?
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Post by pablo on Dec 10, 2008 16:57:55 GMT -5
Ann: I'm a current member of what you call a cult. Do you claim that I'm in fear and under control? geoff, she is right on two counts because I am also a member of what she calls a cult. I am certainly under God's control and I fear him and I believe that it is the same with you. As regards it being a cult, well I don't think so but if others choose to think so, so be it. Nevertheless we are in fear and under control alright.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2008 16:58:48 GMT -5
better to be called a Twit, ram, than a "dimwit." I don't know about that Gem. Is there much difference ? At least you are seen as an item of high value, much sought after and treasured.
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Post by Geoff on Dec 10, 2008 17:06:08 GMT -5
Ann: I'm a current member of what you call a cult. Do you claim that I'm in fear and under control? geoff, she is right on two counts because I am also a member of what she calls a cult. I am certainly under God's control and I fear him and I believe that it is the same with you. As regards it being a cult, well I don't think so but if others choose to think so, so be it. Nevertheless we are in fear and under control alright. I find it quite hard to deal with and understand the theoretical accusations about our fellowship, but easier if I relate it to ME. Am I under fear and control? I know about me. I don't know about others. There are some others who are real people, but if I don't know them, its just another theoretical situation. Might exist, might not. I don't know. So back to me. Am I under fear and control in a cult? And how do you or I know that and recognise it?
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Post by jwbdurston on Dec 10, 2008 20:20:20 GMT -5
"Are the Friends, Workers & Meetings a CULT?" Absolutely, no doubt in my mind. It's all about fear & control. ann Ann you are without question absolutely spot on, there is no doubt about this whatsoever. I like Geoff but he like others does not know himself and is deceived.
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Post by learnedaboutgrace on Dec 10, 2008 22:53:13 GMT -5
this is the strangest, wackiest, I can't even think of the words, thread I have ever read....
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Post by spanky on Dec 10, 2008 22:56:31 GMT -5
This thread ftw!
(I haven't even read it but bloody hell, 71 pages!)
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Post by jwbdurston on Dec 11, 2008 1:56:08 GMT -5
I understand how this thread can appear to be 'interesting'. Dont forget there are people just joining in who want to talk about the cult and others have different things to talk about. For myself I am in the unfortunate position of being punished by Stanleys (now deceased), wife. Stanley was the man that made a number of films like 2001 space oddesey. I have to be humiliated and humbled you see. But whatever I have to appologize for I will never deny the written Word of God and put anything before that.
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Post by Geoff on Dec 11, 2008 2:49:18 GMT -5
"Are the Friends, Workers & Meetings a CULT?" Absolutely, no doubt in my mind. It's all about fear & control. ann Ann you are without question absolutely spot on, there is no doubt about this whatsoever. I like Geoff but he like others does not know himself and is deceived. But what no-one so far has been able to do for me is to show me what I'm deceived about. Without that your assertions don't benefit anyone. Me least! I'm a willing participant in the discussion, but no-one seems willing to address the issue of how I'm "deceived".
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Post by What Hat on Dec 11, 2008 11:54:46 GMT -5
I hope the religioustolerance.org group does not mind the verbatim copy and paste below. I have bolded a few highly relevant sections. Cults (a.k.a. New Religious Movements)IntroductionQuotations about cults:"...one person's cult is another's religion; all religions begin life as cults. An alternative definition is that a cult is a religion which you happen to dislike." Anthony Campbell 1 "Cult is a word without much use outside the realm of religious mudslinging." Philip Kennicott2 "When someone uses the word 'cult,' it usually says more about them than the group," J. Gordon Melton, founder and director of The Institute for the Study of American Religion. 3 "It's easy to tell the difference - a cult is someone else's religion. Corollary: "A fanatic is someone who believes something more strongly than you do." Jim Heldberg 4 "I have often thought that the difference between a cult and a religion is an IRS ruling." Ron Barrier 4 Usage of the word "cult:"The term "cult" is generally used as a hateful snarl word that is intended to intentionally devalue people and the new faith groups that they have chosen to follow. It tends to associate thousands of benign religious groups with the handful of destructive religious groups that have caused loss of life. The term often creates fear and loathing among the public, and contributes greatly to religious intolerance in North America. The word "cult," particularly as used by the media, carries a heavy emotional content. The term suggests that this is a group that you should detest, avoid, and fear. Who are the true "cults?"In reality, the only "crime" of most "cults" is that they they hold different religious beliefs from whomever is doing the attacking. For example, many conservative Christian counter-cult groups consider The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS; the main Mormon church) to be a cult that is tinged with Gnosticism and teaches beliefs which conflict with historic Christianity. Meanwhile, the LDS teaches the Christianity took a wrong turn in the second century CE and abandoned most of the teachings of Jesus and the apostles. They regard their own denomination as the true Christian church. Who is the cult and who is the mainline movement depends upon one's viewpoint.History:Fear and dislike of new religious movements, coupled with increased respect for established faith groups with a long history, has been with us for at least two millennia. - During the first century, many people in the Roman Empire rejected Christianity because it was new, and valued Judaism because of its ancient history. Today, some established religions criticize new religions simply because they are new and teach different beliefs.
- During the first century, some politicians spread rumors that Christians engaged in orgies during their love feasts, and sacrificed infants to their God. During the 1980s and early 1990s, many Christians believed that Pagans, Satanists, and other small religious groups engaged in orgies and ritual abuse and human sacrifice.
Meanings of the word "cult:"Individuals and organizations have assigned many meanings to the word "cult." The result is mass confusion: - The Counter-cult movement (CCM) classifies all non-traditional Christian faith groups as cults simply because their beliefs differ from historical Christian doctrine. The term "cult" has, in many ways, replaced "heretic" or "non-traditional," or "unconventional" within the CCM. Examples of commonly attacked "cults" are: Seventh Day Adventists and Mormons. In this website, we simply refer to these groups as denominations, or faith groups.
- Some Fundamentalist and other Evangelical Christians describe most non-Christian religions as cults or as Satanic religions, simply because they are non-Christian. Examples are religions as different as Wicca and Hinduism. We simply refer to these groups by name, as alternative religions or as faith groups.
- The largely secular Anti-Cult Movement (ACM) mainly targets religious groups that make high demands on their membership. They are accused of mind control or brainwashing techniques which reduce their members to near zombie-like status, who are unable to think clearly and become trapped within the group. Examples of religions targeted by the ACM are the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Two-by-twos. Studies by mental health researchers indicate that the charges of the ACM have little or no merit. We simply refer to these groups as high-intensity or high demand faith groups who expect great dedication from their members.
- Many information sources use the term "cult" to refer to the few destructive, doomsday religious groups whose members have been murdered or committed suicide. Examples are The Solar Temple and Heaven's Gate. We do refer to such groups as "cults"
Suggestions:We recommend that people develop a healthy skepticism when they hear someone refer to a religious groups as a "cult". A new faith group may be being attacked: - because they don't believe in the Trinity, or
- because they are non-Christian, like two thirds of the world's population, or
- because they expect a major commitment from their membership, or
- because they are one of those rare, destructive, doomsday groups that have shown themselves to be dangerous to their membership.
We recommend that people refer to religious groups by name. If a term is needed to characterize non-traditional religious groups, we suggest a neutral phrase, like "new religious movement," or "emerging faith group."References used to prepare this essay:These hyperlinks are not necessarily still active today. 1. Anthony Campbell, "David V. Barrett: THE NEW BELIEVERS, A survey of sects, cults and alternative religions," Book review, 2001, at: homepage.ntlworld.com/ 2. Philip Kennicott, in a Washington Post article that is no longer available online. 3. Rhonda Parks Manville, "UCSB research of 'new religions' returns surprises," Santa Barbara News-Press, 2004-JUL-30, at: news.newspress.com/ 4. Quotes extracted from "Heaven's Sake!," at: nowscape.com/ 5. Massimo Introvigne, " 'So many evil things:' Anti-cult terrorism via the Internet," Center for Studies on New Religions, 1999-AUG-5, at: www.cesnur.org/Copied from: www.religioustolerance.org/cultintro.htmLots more on cults, go to:www.religioustolerance.org/cultmenu.htmPlease copy this post in its entirety in any thread where this question comes up.
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Post by Dubious Disciple (xdc) on Dec 11, 2008 12:47:09 GMT -5
thanks, what.
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Post by jwbdurston on Dec 12, 2008 3:21:23 GMT -5
what: This poster is an agent of satan.
Now I have a problem and the problem is that "computer9000hal" tells me he is banned from the board which really puts me in an awkward position. I know that computer9000hal will find other ways (if she/he is forced too) to divulge all soarts of information about a number of people on this forum. Please dont underestimate hal. Now I know that if we are allowed to reason and continue in the fashion that we (hal and myself) have been a very satisfactory outcome would be the measure of the day. You see, I know what I am up against and have absolutely nothing to fear despite what it may appear like. I am asking you guys in charge to let computer9000hal to continue haveing access to this thread. You may disagree but Hal has not actually done anything wrong....just a few threats. Please allow Hal back on line.
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Post by jwbdurston on Dec 12, 2008 3:45:08 GMT -5
I am obliged to post computer9000hal comment to me:
Well Durston, after re-reading some of this thread I can understand now why you put ram, geoff, ilylo and rational together. Now don’t get any ideas Durston, the only reason I say this is so I don’t loose credibility and am simply calling a spade a spade. I suggest you put ram and ilylo together thus making ramilylo. As for Geoff and Rational I sugest Gert. Oh yes, as for your comment about standing firm in the Lord, DURSTON before the cock crows 3 times you will have already forsaken everything so that ‘little’ secret we have does not come tumbling out!!
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Post by Geoff on Dec 12, 2008 4:42:14 GMT -5
Durston said
"You see, I know what I am up against and have absolutely nothing to fear despite what it may appear like"
I assert that the reason you know what you're up against is that you and the poster Computer9000hal are the same person. Further, that you see this whole thread as a game, an entertainment. (Certainly a few others see it as nothing more than entertainment). With this frivolous attitude of aggression towards a Christian Fellowship you are demonstrating more about yourself than about others.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2008 5:36:21 GMT -5
Jimmy, you used to go to Berks Conventicle all these years ago. Why are you behaving like this ?
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Post by pablo on Dec 12, 2008 7:03:41 GMT -5
This thread ftw! (I haven't even read it but bloody hell, 71 pages!) Hi spanky, I just realised that your avatar teaches us something spiritually important and that is, if the devil tries to pass us in order to get between us and God, clobber him to the ground. ;D
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Post by shushy on Dec 12, 2008 7:46:12 GMT -5
Wondered where you have got too spanky
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Post by spanky on Dec 12, 2008 12:29:36 GMT -5
Wondered where you have got too spanky I get burnt out with message boards shushy. I've visited a handful of times in the last year but never really posted. Thanks for noticing though.
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Post by degem on Dec 12, 2008 12:35:04 GMT -5
Welcome back spanky!
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Post by spanky on Dec 12, 2008 12:40:07 GMT -5
Welcome back spanky! Thanks dear!
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