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Post by To James on Feb 10, 2007 22:17:22 GMT -5
Some of you guys posting on here are clearly not saved.
Unless you repent, when you die you will leave your bodies and go down into the earth where hell is.
Once there you will be tormented for ever and ever and ever and ever. There will be no let up. There will be no way out.
You will remember the conversations and the opportunities on life up here in your bodies and you will wish that you repented while you had the chance….while you had the luxury of time! Oh! james, james. You poor soul. All of us will continue to pray for you to be delivered from the bondage of. While there's life there is hope for you.
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Post by haha roflol on Feb 10, 2007 22:31:36 GMT -5
For years (in North America, at least) support for Jesus being a man and in no way God (yet divine...explain that one) was the allowed teaching. You could disagree, but you had to do so silently. ;D ;D ;D, Greg, you are so funny ;D ;D ;D Hey I disagree with you silently, therefore it is OK, for me to disagree with you, please do not reply to this post, because I am posting it silently... and you know that in North American tradition, silence is golden.. can you hear me?? ;D ;D ;D By the way , since you spent all of 3 years in the work, it is good that you have found a trustable liar, to supply you with your false understanding about how things are done in the ~~approx. 748 different home churchs in the world, today, I suppose internet connections with many of them might help, but our church don't have one that is on , and besides we are allowed to speak freely (just because I don't disagree, does not mean I am NOT allowed to, good grief, Greg, do you ever think?
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Post by Hey James on Feb 11, 2007 1:07:15 GMT -5
I may have missed something...but I am so relieved to learn that salvation is so easily obtained; through reciting "the sinner's prayer". Where do I go to find this prayer?
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Post by James Durston on Feb 11, 2007 1:40:59 GMT -5
Salavation is a free gift. You either accept it or reject it. It is like someone offering you a present. You have a choice. You either take it or leave it. You can not earn it because it is a free gift!
I have already posted the sinners prayer. You can make your own prayer up but it must be a prayer of repentance and a prayer of accepting Jesus Christ into your life.
Its a heart condition, it is something you have to be very sincere about.
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Post by James Durston on Feb 11, 2007 1:44:52 GMT -5
After reading a lot of the posts on this topic I have come to the conclusion that many of you are plain evil. It is apparent you do not love Jesus christ but in fact mock Him. Many of you are just not interested in the Truth and what the Bible says but are consumed with your own evil desires and thoughts!
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Post by Hi James on Feb 11, 2007 2:49:46 GMT -5
I've already accepted the gift of salvation. I try to keep my concept of Christianity simple: I don't like to confuse my feeble brain with dueling doctrines, nor do I let myself dwell on things in the Old Testament that I view with skepticism...or that I find troubling..i.e...the depiction of Jehovah.
I am a new Christian...and perhaps a weak Christian. I stick to the bare basics: I place my basic faith & trust in God & in Jesus. I do not confuse faith with knowledge or with belief...I just know that the truth of things are whatever they are. God is whoever He is: Yeshua is whoever He is.
Even though I fight with many doubts & objections...ultimately I desire to understand the truth...and nothing but the truth...even if the truth may not be what I might prefer it to be. Where I am in error...I wish to be corrected. I wish to find peace in this life, as well as peace in the after-life.
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Post by James Durston on Feb 11, 2007 3:07:10 GMT -5
Ok...well I dont have a problem with what you have said. I'm kinda interested if you are one of the Friends but dont forget it is Gods will that you become strong in the Lord...to be a warrior. When we accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour it is what is known as Justification....that is to say we have been justified through the death of our Lord Jesus Christ. It does not end there though because we are then in the process of Sanctification...Jesus wants us to walk in more and more Holiness. I hope I have encouraged you in these things.
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Post by Hey James on Feb 11, 2007 3:28:50 GMT -5
James, I have never professed, so obviously neither am I an "ex". I was raised in a professing home & attended all meetings until I declared my independence at age 18. Many years later I met a young professing girl while attending my local community college...and we married (she is now a double ex...ex professing & my ex-wife) but I digress.
I happened upon TMBs hallowed halls (LOL) almost five years ago. The way that I was so closely connected to was such a mystery to me. Then I chanced to perform a Google search on "two by twos" and much to my surprise...VOILA...I found a whole page of 2x2 websites....and the rest is history.
I have never attended any church since I quit attending professing meetings. TMB has really given me some valuable insights, background, and a new persepective that I had never had before.
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Post by James Durston on Feb 11, 2007 3:56:30 GMT -5
You sound like a sincere person. ...but (and maybe you have done this) at some point you need to accept Jesus into your heart.
Above I have posted the sinners prayer and at some point every believer has to declare this (it does not matter what words you use as long as you repent and invite Jesus into your heart to be your Lord and saviour).
I am pleased that TMB has helped you. I myself went on Dennis Jackobsen (Spelling?) chat site and got so much help. However although there are a few people on this site (precious few) most do not understand the Word of God as they need to.
It is interesting that you talk about "Church". One of the reasons that the Friends & Workers & Meetings constitute a cult is because of their misunderstanding on what the Bible refers to as a church.
I was going to post POINT NO 2 of my evidence but if you like I can do POINT NO 3 next which addresses this issue.
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Post by yES jAMES on Feb 11, 2007 7:31:33 GMT -5
Yes, James please proceed with Point Three.
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Post by Geoff on Feb 11, 2007 8:31:21 GMT -5
James
You have still apparently refused to answer virtually every question put to you.
You have made many accusations, but when challenged on any of them you run away.
Much of what you've said is non-specific. ("many here are clearly unsaved...", and "...that many of you are plain evil. "
But please be specific for me here.
Do you assert that I am unsaved? Do you assert that I am evil?
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Post by Observing on Feb 11, 2007 12:06:18 GMT -5
After reading a lot of the posts on this topic I have come to the conclusion that many of you are plain evil. It is apparent you do not love Jesus christ but in fact mock Him. Many of you are just not interested in the Truth and what the Bible says but are consumed with your own evil desires and thoughts! We are interested Jim. We have been asking you for quoted scripture to support your claims. So far - nothing. I am beginning to think you are unable to provide them. Calling people evil when you don't even know them seems to be, do I dare say it, un-Christian like. Almost judgmental. No, not almost - judgmental.
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Post by Observing on Feb 11, 2007 12:08:41 GMT -5
James Durston: When we accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour it is what is known as Justification....that is to say we have been justified through the death of our Lord Jesus Christ. It does not end there though because we are then in the process of Sanctification...Jesus wants us to walk in more and more Holiness. I hope I have encouraged you in these things.
Hi Jim,
Could you provide some scriptural backup for this line of thinking?
Thanks in advance.
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Post by Observing on Feb 11, 2007 12:14:08 GMT -5
James Durston: It is interesting that you talk about "Church". One of the reasons that the Friends & Workers & Meetings constitute a cult is because of their misunderstanding on what the Bible refers to as a church.
Are you about to give us your definition of a cult?
James Durston: I was going to post POINT NO 2 of my evidence but if you like I can do POINT NO 3 next which addresses this issue.
Why would you post point 3 before point 2? As soon as you post it it will be point 2.
So far, on point one, the F&W, Christianity, a number of other religions, and some major denominations of Christianity all fit your definition of a cult.
Let's move forward.
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Post by James Durston on Feb 11, 2007 17:10:37 GMT -5
Observing you are an evil man. No doubt about it. From your own admissions this can clearly be seen. You are an anti Christ and doing the work of satan.
I reckon you are about fifty plus years of age and suffer from arthritis.
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Post by know the real truth on Feb 11, 2007 17:45:58 GMT -5
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Post by Observing on Feb 11, 2007 17:48:33 GMT -5
James Durston: Observing you are an evil man. No doubt about it. From your own admissions this can clearly be seen. You are an anti Christ and doing the work of satan.
As I understand it, questioning you makes one evil. Refusing to accept your line to thinking makes one evil. Not accepting your word as truth makes one evil.
You are, James, seeking to control my thought process. You are trying to manipulate me to stop questioning you.
Tell me James, are you trying to be a one person cult? Do you think you are the only right way? Do you condemn me because I am not following your way??
James Durston: I reckon you are about fifty plus years of age and suffer from arthritis.
You are wrong on both points.
Makes you wonder about the evil part, doesn't it.
Now I have an idea. Instead of sitting and condemning me (and others) why not back up your points?
Why not tell us how you define a cult and we will look at rge various groups and see which meet and which do not meet your definition?
What do you have to lose? Unless, of course, you feel that your points have no foundation. Then, certainly, your course of action is the one to follow.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2007 17:52:35 GMT -5
Greg, re this"The foundation of the workers' church is their ministry." There were times, such as in the Elija, Elisha and Jeremiah stories, where such men attended to their people, at other times such people never knew a prophet (God said to Jeremiah "I have reserved for myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to Baal.") And, there were times when there was a preacher and no believers. So this "workers church" thing sucks.
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Post by OzE on Feb 11, 2007 18:12:58 GMT -5
Salavation is a free gift. You either accept it or reject it. It is like someone offering you a present. You have a choice. You either take it or leave it. You can not earn it because it is a free gift!
James, offers of salvation are not made in the Bible, why do you make them? Us choosing God/salvation is not in the Bible, why do you promote that belief?
Please back up your "personal prayer" salvation with scripture.
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Post by Agree on Feb 11, 2007 18:16:12 GMT -5
Aman, Bert: "So this "workers church" thing sucks."
You have never spoke such a true word!
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Post by James Durston on Feb 11, 2007 18:17:02 GMT -5
Ok you tell me how you think you become saved!
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Post by James Durston on Feb 11, 2007 18:22:37 GMT -5
What is wrong with you silly people?
The whole Bible is about offering people salvation so they won’t have to spend eternity in hell!!
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Post by James Durston on Feb 11, 2007 18:30:15 GMT -5
OzE...just read another post of yours. Listen ....you so seriously dont know what you are talking about it is scary!
You can't understand the full Gospel first and then be borne again.
You repent of your sinful life and accept Jesus into your Heart. At that point you are borne again.
Then you get baptised as an outward declaration of your faith. (YOU DO NOT WAIT TILL THE WORKERS THINK YOU ARE READY)
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Post by James Durston on Feb 11, 2007 18:41:27 GMT -5
Here is POINT 2 why the Friends, Workers & Meetings are a cult.
My 18 year old son recently gave his life to the Lord, (not born and raised within the meetings). After all these years my parents catch up with him. It would seem the only thing they are interested in is getting him to go to the meetings. This is a recent e-mail from my son:
…Hi Dad, if you could tell me how the information my grandparents sent me was wrong and what the bible says (biblically prove the information was wrong). I didn't read all of the information as there was a lot but it didn't seem right. The first paragraph or two seemed to me as though this guy (Jack) and my grandparents think that churches are evil, which isn't true because the church I go to and you go to are completely the opposite. They are likely to ask me about the information next time we speak so when I tell them what I think, I can back it up with verses from the bible.
The guy my son refers to is a letter from Jack Carroll dated 1945 that my parents sent to him.
The bottom line is within the meetings it is understood (This is the second foundational understanding of the Friends and Workers...POINT No 2) that you can not meet in church buildings because God does not dwell there! This would explain why the Friends do not agree with so called faiths that dare to meet in the environment of a church building. If what they are saying is true I for one am in complete agreement with them. But is it true?
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Post by star on Feb 11, 2007 18:59:44 GMT -5
What is wrong with you silly people?The whole Bible is about offering people salvation so they won’t have to spend eternity in hell!! I believe there is more in the Bible than that. In fact there are parts that seem to be somewhat cruel. Think about this: Deuteronomy 20:10-17 When you draw near a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it. And if its answer to you is peace and it opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall do forced labour for you and shall serve you. But if it makes no peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it; and when the Lord your God gives it into your hand you shall put all its male to the sword, but the women and the little ones, the cattle, and everything else in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as booty for yourself; and you shall enjoy the spoil of your enemy, which the Lord God has given to you. God commanded the Israelites to enslave the people in the cities which made peace with them. If the city did not surrender but decided to defend itself, God said to kill all male inhabitants of cities and enjoy the women. Surely not all of the Bible is about offering salvation.
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Post by James Durston on Feb 11, 2007 19:16:00 GMT -5
..I know where you are comeing from.
There is so so much in the Bible it is infinate. The Word of God is there to bring people close to Him.
If you had a greater insight into the hearts of mankind you would probably find it so much more agreable as to what you read.
Dont forget as Gods children we have always been fighting the wicked spiritual powers above.
I have often strugled with things I read in the Bible and thats ok ...its normal. What you can do is ask our Father in HEaven to help us understand these chalenging things you read about in the Bible. Tell Him how you feel and how it upsets you (if thats the case). Be honest to your Father in Heaven how you feel (of course He already knows but He wants you to tell Him) and ask Him for insight.
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Post by Observing on Feb 11, 2007 21:31:33 GMT -5
James Durston: ..I know where you are comeing from.
No Jim, I don't believe you do.
James Durston: There is so so much in the Bible it is infinate.
There you go again, Jim. You are saying the contents of the Bible are infinite. That makes little sense. Unless, of course, you have an alternate definition of infinite.
James Durston: The Word of God is there to bring people close to Him.
Ah yes, James. There is nothing that brings people closer than to know that one time this God killed 70,000 of His people and then, realizing what He had done was evil, repented and decided not to kill more. That is the action that really gets people being warm and fuzzy.
II Samuel 24:15-16 So the Lord sent a pestilence upon Israel from the morning until the appointed time; and there died the people from Dan to Beersheba seventy thousand men. And when the angel stretched forth his hand toward Jerusalem to destroy it, the Lord repented of the evil, and said to the angel who was working destruction of the people, “It is enough, now stay your hand.”
James Durston: If you had a greater insight into the hearts of mankind you would probably find it so much more agreable as to what you read.
You have said I am damned, evil, and now you claim I have no empathy for my fellow man.
All because I am asking you questions and hoping for you to provide some scripture to back up what you are claiming.
James Durston: Dont forget as Gods children we have always been fighting the wicked spiritual powers above.
I have often strugled with things I read in the Bible and thats ok ...its normal. What you can do is ask our Father in HEaven to help us understand these chalenging things you read about in the Bible. Tell Him how you feel and how it upsets you (if thats the case). Be honest to your Father in Heaven how you feel (of course He already knows but He wants you to tell Him) and ask Him for insight.
Jim, you seem to be the one upset. You are lashing out at individuals and saying they are silly or evil.
I can read the Bible. You can read the Bible. But you are claiming things that you cannot (or will not) provide scriptural support for.
You claim thet the Bible brings people to God. Explain how the portion I quoted would bring people to God? He killed his people.
Don't you think it would be a very sick individual that would be drawn to someone who killed? Not only killed, but killed His own?
But I am sure you can explain this clearly to those of us who just do not understand it. I look forward to your explanation.
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Post by Observing on Feb 11, 2007 21:44:53 GMT -5
James Durston: Here is POINT 2 why the Friends, Workers & Meetings are a cult.
It looks like point two is delayed for a personal message.
James Durston: My 18 year old son recently gave his life to the Lord, (not born and raised within the meetings). After all these years my parents catch up with him. It would seem the only thing they are interested in is getting him to go to the meetings. This is a recent e-mail from my son:
…Hi Dad, if you could tell me how the information my grandparents sent me was wrong and what the bible says (biblically prove the information was wrong). I didn't read all of the information as there was a lot but it didn't seem right. The first paragraph or two seemed to me as though this guy (Jack) and my grandparents think that churches are evil, which isn't true because the church I go to and you go to are completely the opposite. They are likely to ask me about the information next time we speak so when I tell them what I think, I can back it up with verses from the bible.
The guy my son refers to is a letter from Jack Carroll dated 1945 that my parents sent to him.
This all seems to be a gripe you have with your parents.
James Durston: The bottom line is within the meetings it is understood (This is the second foundational understanding of the Friends and Workers...POINT No 2) that you can not meet in church buildings because God does not dwell there!This would explain why the Friends do not agree with so called faiths that dare to meet in the environment of a church building. If what they are saying is true I for one am in complete agreement with them. But is it true?
This flies in the face of my own experience. I have attended meetings in churches. I have attended meetings in Town Halls.
Do you think God dwells in churches?
Could it be that the F&W are saying that there is not requirement for a church building because God dwells in the hearts of men and not in buildings build by man?
If you attend convention it is apparent that they do hold services in buildings built by man. It is just that they do not hold the physical structure sacred.
I fail to see how this could be point two in identifying if a group is or is not a cult.
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