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Post by bryan2 on Dec 1, 2004 11:32:40 GMT -5
Would someone list out the reasons why WI is a false prophet?
Thx, Bryan
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Post by Dawn on Dec 1, 2004 11:41:49 GMT -5
Bryan,
This is taken from the 1997 letter on the VOT website:
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Post by Dawn on Dec 1, 2004 11:43:35 GMT -5
Looks like I'd better try that again!
Some of you believe that William Irvine was a prophet to whom God gave a revelation. Irvine himself claimed to be a prophet. However, in the Bible, no prophet was self-appointed. God always took the initiative in calling a prophet. (Jer. 1:9, II Pet. 1:21) Besides, God’s true prophets were accurate in their prophesies! Claiming he had been divinely anointed to bring the last message of Jesus to the world before the end of the world, which he believed was to be in August, 1914, William Irvine went so far as to warn his friends all over the world to prepare for a great worldwide famine and drought, advising them to sell their farms and homes, and instead invest their money in fisheries, railroads, canneries, shipping, etc. Unfortunately, many of them followed his advice. According to the Scripture, any minister who prophesies the end of the world is a false prophet. Even the workers believe this. Irvine’s message did not line up with God’s Word. Jesus Himself announced the futility of speculating on the date of His return in Matt. 24:36. The Israelites asked in Deut. 18, "How may we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?" In His infinite wisdom, God anticipated future generations would also need to know the answer to this question. His answer is preserved in Deut. 18:21-22 and Jer. 28:9, "When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously." The test God gave is perfect and complete - no exceptions given. Time was, and is still, a false prophet’s worst enemy.
Now, how can William Irvine’s first message be the words of a true prophet and his later message the words of a false prophet? "Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? Can a fig tree bear olive berries?" (James 3:12) Is there a single example in Scripture where a true prophet ever predicted that something would occur in his lifetime which did not actually come to pass? No. If a prophet uttered a false prophecy, wouldn’t that invalidate all his prophesies - put them all at risk? Wouldn’t that make him a false prophet? Of course! Our God is not "the author of confusion." In Jeremiah 23:16, God says, "Hearken not unto the words of the [false] prophets...they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the Lord." There are no exceptions made indicating that certain words of a prophet are to be attended, and others are not. In the light of Scripture like this, how can anyone think it would be God’s will for any of Irvine’s claims to be true?
William Irvine did what many others have done - predicted the end of the world and made false prophesies. How is he different from any other deluded religious zealot? Why does he deserve the status of a "prophet raised up" or a "man used of God"? If God had planned on raising up another prophet, nearly two thousand years after Christ, don’t you think this most definitely would have been recorded in the Bible? Instead, Hebrews 1:1-2 tells us "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son..." Friends, keep in mind verses like these: "...of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them; therefore watch." (Acts 20:20) "And many false prophets shall arise and shall deceive many." (Matt. 24:11 and 24) In Rev. 2:2, Jesus warmly commended the church at Ephesus for testing those "who call themselves apostles and are not." From these and other Scriptures, it would be wise for us to test men’s word against God’s Word.
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Post by x on Dec 1, 2004 12:35:51 GMT -5
Looks like I'd better try that again! Some of you believe that William Irvine was a prophet to whom God gave a revelation. Irvine himself claimed to be a prophet. However, in the Bible, no prophet was self-appointed. God always took the initiative in calling a prophet. (Jer. 1:9, II Pet. 1:21) Besides, God’s true prophets were accurate in their prophesies! Claiming he had been divinely anointed to bring the last message of Jesus to the world before the end of the world, which he believed was to be in August, 1914, William Irvine went so far as to warn his friends all over the world to prepare for a great worldwide famine and drought, advising them to sell their farms and homes, and instead invest their money in fisheries, railroads, canneries, shipping, etc. Unfortunately, many of them followed his advice. According to the Scripture, any minister who prophesies the end of the world is a false prophet. Even the workers believe this. Irvine’s message did not line up with God’s Word. Jesus Himself announced the futility of speculating on the date of His return in Matt. 24:36. The Israelites asked in Deut. 18, "How may we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?" In His infinite wisdom, God anticipated future generations would also need to know the answer to this question. His answer is preserved in Deut. 18:21-22 and Jer. 28:9, "When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously." The test God gave is perfect and complete - no exceptions given. Time was, and is still, a false prophet’s worst enemy. Now, how can William Irvine’s first message be the words of a true prophet and his later message the words of a false prophet? "Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter? Can a fig tree bear olive berries?" (James 3:12) Is there a single example in Scripture where a true prophet ever predicted that something would occur in his lifetime which did not actually come to pass? No. If a prophet uttered a false prophecy, wouldn’t that invalidate all his prophesies - put them all at risk? Wouldn’t that make him a false prophet? Of course! Our God is not "the author of confusion." In Jeremiah 23:16, God says, "Hearken not unto the words of the [false] prophets...they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the Lord." There are no exceptions made indicating that certain words of a prophet are to be attended, and others are not. In the light of Scripture like this, how can anyone think it would be God’s will for any of Irvine’s claims to be true? William Irvine did what many others have done - predicted the end of the world and made false prophesies. How is he different from any other deluded religious zealot? Why does he deserve the status of a "prophet raised up" or a "man used of God"? If God had planned on raising up another prophet, nearly two thousand years after Christ, don’t you think this most definitely would have been recorded in the Bible? Instead, Hebrews 1:1-2 tells us "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son..." Friends, keep in mind verses like these: "...of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them; therefore watch." (Acts 20:20) "And many false prophets shall arise and shall deceive many." (Matt. 24:11 and 24) In Rev. 2:2, Jesus warmly commended the church at Ephesus for testing those "who call themselves apostles and are not." From these and other Scriptures, it would be wise for us to test men’s word against God’s Word. If this post is correct then the 2X2 movement was wrong then from the [LWD] till today is that correct?
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Post by Dawn on Dec 1, 2004 15:12:04 GMT -5
Yes, Lloyd, I believe that is correct. William Irvine was a charismatic leader. He had his ideas in reaction to the mainstream churches at the time. I think he probably meant well, but I do not think he was a prophet. Do you?
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Post by 2x2 on Dec 1, 2004 15:46:15 GMT -5
Maybe initially his ideas were a reaction to mainstream churches at the time, but later it seems he went cookoo......
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Post by Dawn on Dec 1, 2004 15:48:14 GMT -5
Yes, the cookoo thing definitely blew his cover. But then the real problems began, didn't they? When the rest of them tried (and mostly succeeded) to cover up his existence.
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Post by Byron on May 25, 2006 15:09:58 GMT -5
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Post by false on May 25, 2006 16:09:31 GMT -5
So the founder of the group turned out to be a false prophet.
A false prophet is a false church.
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Post by l on May 25, 2006 16:14:00 GMT -5
William Irvine foretold the coming of the Lord it never happened He set dates for 1914 this is just a drop in the bucket for william Irvine but it is the big one
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Post by T2M on May 25, 2006 18:03:15 GMT -5
In His infinite wisdom, God anticipated future generations would also need to know the answer to this question. His answer is preserved in Deut. 18:21-22 and Jer. 28:9, "When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously." The test God gave is perfect and complete - no exceptions given. Time was, and is still, a false prophet’s worst enemy. I find it interesting that, by applying those verses in Deut., Jonah also was a false prophet. Jonah 3:4 "And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown." Of course we all know the story: Nineveh was not overthrown in 40 days (allegedly because the people repented) and Jonah got hung out to dry (so to speak). So, was Jonah a false prophet too?
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Post by What Hat on May 25, 2006 20:38:15 GMT -5
what makes bryan a false prophet ?;D
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Post by Rob O on May 25, 2006 21:05:47 GMT -5
Nothing. As far as I'm aware he has not claimed to be a prophet or to prophesy anything falsely. Nor has he attempted to lead people towards other gods.
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