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Post by Heard on Jul 4, 2006 10:15:18 GMT -5
Ray Hoffman has Florida up to date! The convention shed at Klepzig's farm in Apopka Florida is air conditioned!
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Post by nitro on Jul 4, 2006 12:14:14 GMT -5
My only concern is why still call it a shed. It is after all a building meant for worshiping the lord with a alter at the front with two big chairs,microphones. Its a church building. And it should be Air Conditioned . No person should have to sit 2hrs in that kinda heat.
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Post by justamom on Jul 4, 2006 13:49:53 GMT -5
I think it is great that the meeting buildings are starting to get AC in them.... I remember sitting at Buttonwillow convention when I was a kid and it was so hot under the tent that they had to put sprinkler on top... the big swamp coolers on the sides of the tent didn't help either.... 118 in the shade is just insane.... I also agree with nitro.. no one should have to sit thru heat like that... Have a wonderful day....
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Post by HI6 on Jul 4, 2006 14:17:38 GMT -5
Amen. Nobody should roast at convention. And many of them wear dress clothes which is pretty uncomfortable. Downings VA convention shed should be air conditioned as old people frequently pass out and have to be sent to hospital.
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Post by las again on Jul 4, 2006 14:23:27 GMT -5
I don't think it matters where you sit in a shed or whatever? Has long has doctrine is right
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Post by a believer on Jul 4, 2006 16:05:56 GMT -5
Las, can you not spell the word as. You always write 'Has' instead of 'as' why is that?
It should be 'As long as the doctrine is right.'
I wonder what the convention shed is used for the rest of the year?
It is definitely used as a church building. I wonder if the owner paid for it or the workers funds. Of church the owner did not pay for it, so it is a church building which is used for only 8 days or so a year. And they talk about churches...they do exactly what they accuse churches of.
We meet in homes, we have no buildings, God does not dwell in temples made by human hands, Do those Scriptures which they have quoted for years no longer apply? Of course practicality rules, but they have not accepted this for churches.
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Post by a believer on Jul 4, 2006 16:08:25 GMT -5
sorry I pressed the spell check and accepted the wrong word, it should have been of course....not of church but you knew that anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2006 16:17:35 GMT -5
My only concern is why still call it a shed. It is after all a building meant for worshiping the lord with a alter at the front with two big chairs,microphones. Its a church building. And it should be Air Conditioned . No person should have to sit 2hrs in that kinda heat. why is it a concern if it's called a shed?
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Post by Happy Feet on Jul 4, 2006 16:32:56 GMT -5
if you read the writer wrote why they are concerned that it is called shed.
They said they are concerned because it was a building meant for worship...etc
Buildings built for worshipping God are usually called church buildings and the workers preach against having church buldings... i.e. building built for worship
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Post by O on Jul 4, 2006 16:46:42 GMT -5
if you read the writer wrote why they are concerned that it is called shed. They said they are concerned because it was a building meant for worship...etc Buildings built for worshipping God are usually called church buildings and the workers preach against having church buldings... i.e. building built for worship O i see how silly of me ;D for a start it is not built for the worship of God worship is in the heart that is right they do and we don't ;)have buildings built for worship we may worship in the building :)but it is not built for worship
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Post by AB on Jul 4, 2006 16:47:16 GMT -5
I agree that the convention buildings should definitely be air conditioned, especially the ones in hotter areas of the world. Up at Didsbury where I used to go to convention the meeting shed got so darn hot that you'd sit there with waves of hot sleepiness rolling over you all afternoon... it was horrible! My last convention there was the worst, I think, it was horribly hot and I was really really sweaty and feeling totally gross, my hair had gone crazy (people probably looked at it and thought "Gee, she really should put that mess up!") especially my bangs (gasp!) and I felt absolutely rotten. I'm glad it was my last time around.
I agree with Nitro that the buildings should not be called "sheds" because we all know that they're not that at all, they are religious buildings intended for gatherings and worship, and so they should be labeled and referred to honestly as that, however that would take away from the "we don't have church buildings" BS so it probably won't catch on. It really ticks me off that these folks who own the convention grounds have these buildings built and pretend like they also serve other purposes besides for convention. As if! At Didsbury they built a new dining shed a number of years ago and there is no way that it ever gets used for anything but convention. Some of the older buildings I can see getting used for machinery storage but a farm can only have so much machinery and I don't think they're gonna put some leaky old tractor into a brand new building so it can sully the gravel that everyone will be walking on come convention time.
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Post by Simple on Jul 4, 2006 16:53:47 GMT -5
I agree that the convention buildings should definitely be air conditioned, especially the ones in hotter areas of the world. Up at Didsbury where I used to go to convention the meeting shed got so darn hot that you'd sit there with waves of hot sleepiness rolling over you all afternoon... it was horrible! My last convention there was the worst, I think, it was horribly hot and I was really really sweaty and feeling totally gross, my hair had gone crazy (people probably looked at it and thought "Gee, she really should put that mess up!") especially my bangs (gasp!) and I felt absolutely rotten. I'm glad it was my last time around. I agree with Nitro that the buildings should not be called "sheds" because we all know that they're not that at all, they are religious buildings intended for gatherings and worship, and so they should be labeled and referred to honestly as that, however that would take away from the "we don't have church buildings" BS so it probably won't catch on. It really ticks me off that these folks who own the convention grounds have these buildings built and pretend like they also serve other purposes besides for convention. As if! At Didsbury they built a new dining shed a number of years ago and there is no way that it ever gets used for anything but convention. Some of the older buildings I can see getting used for machinery storage but a farm can only have so much machinery and I don't think they're gonna put some leaky old tractor into a brand new building so it can sully the gravel that everyone will be walking on come convention time. Looks like another leak in the damm. How are the workers going to fix it? The old tried and true "Status quo"?
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Post by trigger on Jul 4, 2006 17:01:04 GMT -5
I'm not really sure what you mean by a "leak in the dam" Simple, but I do know all about the hot afternoons spent stifling away and trying to stay awake on those rockhard benches at Dids! Oh the good old days... ;-)
Trigger
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Post by hmmmm on Jul 4, 2006 17:03:52 GMT -5
if you read the writer wrote why they are concerned that it is called shed. They said they are concerned because it was a building meant for worship...etc Buildings built for worshipping God are usually called church buildings and the workers preach against having church buldings... i.e. building built for worship Many many years ago, and, in accordance to how the word was used by Jesus, it had been agreed upon to call -(the people belonging ) ''the church'', just as the word was used in the N.T. by Jesus. It would confuse me, if I had to start over, and call the convention mtg. shed, 'a church' , as in my opinion, it was a hi-jacked name, that other groups adopted, to make their form of 'building' sound biblical. Tell me why others chose to call their worship buildings, ''churches''?? I don't like it when people hi-jack common concepts and use words that they have to redefine, in order for them to make sense.
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Post by nitro on Jul 4, 2006 18:12:06 GMT -5
if you read the writer wrote why they are concerned that it is called shed. They said they are concerned because it was a building meant for worship...etc Buildings built for worshiping God are usually called church buildings and the workers preach against having church buldings... i.e. building built for worship Many many years ago, and, in accordance to how the word was used by Jesus, it had been agreed upon to call -(the people belonging ) ''the church'', just as the word was used in the N.T. by Jesus. It would confuse me, if I had to start over, and call the convention mtg. shed, 'a church' , as in my opinion, it was a hi-jacked name, that other groups adopted, to make their form of 'building' sound biblical. Tell me why others chose to call their worship buildings, ''churches''?? I don't like it when people hi-jack common concepts and use words that they have to redefine, in order for them to make sense. Since supper,lunch,chow,dinner has already been used for a way to communicate to others this is what we are going to do to get some food,what word could be used so I'm not hijacking those words to communicate to others on what I'm doing
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Post by Happy Feet on Jul 4, 2006 18:53:33 GMT -5
if you read the writer wrote why they are concerned that it is called shed. They said they are concerned because it was a building meant for worship...etc Buildings built for worshiping God are usually called church buildings and the workers preach against having church buldings... i.e. building built for worship The Bible talks about the church at Ephesus etc.. so the church referred to a place where a group of believers gathered together. I do not read in the Bible where it is called the meeting or convention. These words were not used in the Bible but the word church for a group of believers is. A group of believers that are met together are called the Church. So if convention grounds were scriptural it would called the church. The church is scriptural. Call it meeting, convention, special meeting, or what you like but the Bible calls it church. It is this getting away from Bible terminoglogy that makes this group unscriptural. I agree that there is very little worship of God in meetings and convention, it is all about self and us. Many of the words in hymns do not focus on worshiping and glorifying God at all but are focused on ourselves. Worship should be outward (to God) not inward to ourselves. So it is ok to call it a shed but not a church as church means a group of believers worshiping God and you do not seem to be clear that you actually do that at convention. The truth is that the shed is built for church meetings but you use any word as long as it is not church i.e. a group of people gathering together to worship and glorify God. Is a group that claims to be following the Bible but does not use words in the Bible but makes up it's own words scriptural? The reason the workers avoid using the word church is because the Bible says that God is not found in temples. The church is not a temple for people to find God, it is place where believers meet together to be feed, to hear the word of God and worship God with other believers. The workers try to create a whole new language and get to creating new words which led them away from the Bible
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Post by rock church on Jul 4, 2006 19:48:04 GMT -5
Peter was a rock, and he was built a church
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Post by guest5 on Jul 4, 2006 19:56:45 GMT -5
Lots of meeting sheds are air conditioned now. Florida must just be a little slow.
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Post by jxr on Jul 5, 2006 7:16:31 GMT -5
I think it is a total waste of time and money fitting airconditioning to a shed that is used for four (or maybe 8) days in a year. A more pragmatic solution would be to schedule the conventions for a season which does not require airconditioning.
I never cease to be amazed at the level of investment for such a short event. One particular item is food coolrooms. These are mammoth, industrial grade items on some convention grounds. All for eight days of the year. Again, a better, more pragmatic solution would be to engineer a whole kitchen/coolroom/store etc onto the back of a tractor-trailer rig or two, and ship these around the country to where they are needed. You could probably do the whole of the mainland US convention rounds with three or four sets of kit.
The same goes for toilets and showers.
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Post by Happy Feet on Jul 5, 2006 14:56:07 GMT -5
What sound practical advice from jxr! If they had a committee of people who had some ideas instead of workers who have had no experience in these things then maybe they would be able to come up with some more practical solutions. They criticize churches who spend money on buildings but the 2x2s airconditioning the shed for a few days a year which is a waste.
If they think it is more Godly to hire a building for Gospel meetings why don't they hire a church camp grounds for the few days a year they have convention. Most churches have their own grounds for church retreats.
Reminds me of the Jehovah Witnesses who have conventions in exactly the same way as the 2x2s.
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