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Post by las logged out on Jul 4, 2006 7:32:53 GMT -5
Where is the scripture so i can check out what Judas said to jesus"How is it thou will manifest thyself to us and not the world"
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Post by prue on Jul 4, 2006 7:46:52 GMT -5
hi las - Judas (not Iscariot) asked "But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?" (John 14:22 NIV) the apostles like Jesus' family strugged to understand why Jesus did not want to show himself to the world. kind regards from prue
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Post by In context on Jul 4, 2006 8:12:56 GMT -5
Role of the Spirit
John 14: 16 "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;
17 that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you.
18 "I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.
19 "After a little while the world will no longer see Me, but you will see Me; because I live, you will live also.
20 "In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.
21 "He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him."
22 Judas (not Iscariot) said to Him, "Lord, what then has happened that You are going to disclose Yourself to us and not to the world?"
23 Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him.
Acts 10:
40 "God raised Him up on the third day and granted that He become visible
41 not to all the people, but to witnesses who were chosen beforehand by God, that is, to us who ate and drank with Him after He arose from the dead."
Revelation 21:
3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, "Behold, the tabernacle of God is among men, and He will dwell among them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself will be among them"
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Post by For Prue on Jul 4, 2006 8:14:15 GMT -5
"the apostles like Jesus' family strugged to understand why Jesus did not want to show himself to the world."
Where did you get that idea?
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Post by prue on Jul 4, 2006 8:19:29 GMT -5
hi - it tells us that Jesus' own siblings wanted him to be more open, saying, "No one who wants to become a public figure acts in secret. Since you are doing these things, show yourself to the world." John 7:4 but Jesus did not reveal himself to the world - only to those who loved him - such as happened when he rose in the resurrection love Prue
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Post by For Prue again on Jul 4, 2006 8:32:37 GMT -5
Thanks for your answer.
Once again, in context, your reference (John 7):
1 After these things Jesus was walking in Galilee, for He was unwilling to walk in Judea because the Jews were seeking to kill Him.
2 Now the feast of the Jews, the Feast of Booths, was near.
3 Therefore His brothers said to Him, "Leave here and go into Judea, so that Your disciples also may see Your works which You are doing.
4 "For no one does anything in secret when he himself seeks to be known publicly. If You do these things, show Yourself to the world."
5 For not even His brothers were believing in Him.
6 So Jesus said to them, "My time is not yet here, but your time is always opportune.
7 "The world cannot hate you, but it hates Me because I testify of it, that its deeds are evil.
8 "Go up to the feast yourselves; I do not go up to this feast because My time has not yet fully come."
9 Having said these things to them, He stayed in Galilee.
10 But when His brothers had gone up to the feast, then He Himself also went up, not publicly, but as if, in secret.
11 So the Jews were seeking Him at the feast and were saying, "Where is He?"
12T here was much grumbling among the crowds concerning Him; some were saying, "He is a good man"; others were saying, "No, on the contrary, He leads the people astray."
13 Yet no one was speaking openly of Him for fear of the Jews.
Etc.
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Post by prue on Jul 4, 2006 8:39:50 GMT -5
hi - yes there were times when the jews wanted to kill Jesus and he hid from them - but many times it says that Jesus hid from them because they did not believe in him - remember no-one endangered Jesus in the resurrection but he never appeared to the Jews at all - they would believe that the disciples stole his body away - Jesus is revealed to those who would love him and hidden from those who disbelieve - thanks Prue
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Post by las logged out on Jul 4, 2006 9:38:50 GMT -5
Well I think it all coincides with Gods plan it first started with the Jews and it will eventually end up with the Jews the first shall be last the last shall be first?
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Post by las again on Jul 4, 2006 9:39:46 GMT -5
The Jews were Gods choosen people
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Post by las again on Jul 4, 2006 9:44:51 GMT -5
You see most Jews never accepted Jesus has messiah so they went to the gentiles..so when the Jews see how Gods goodness has fallen out to the gentiles it will cause them to get jealous and smarten up and return to Jesus this is yet to come and is gradually happening
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Post by For Prue on Jul 4, 2006 10:05:08 GMT -5
Oh, Prue! (on Jesus never appearing to the Jews)
Jesus Sends Out the Twelve
1He called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out evil spirits and to heal every disease and sickness.
2These are the names of the twelve apostles: first, Simon (who is called Peter) and his brother Andrew; James son of Zebedee, and his brother John;
3Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus;
4Simon the Zealot and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed him.
5These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans.
6Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.
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Post by For Prue on Jul 4, 2006 10:11:48 GMT -5
Did I misunderstand - did you mean that Jesus did not appear to Jews after his resurrection?
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Post by For Prue on Jul 4, 2006 10:43:22 GMT -5
1 Cor 15:
3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,
5 and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.
6 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time
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Acts 18: 2 There he met a Jew named Aquila, a native of Pontus, who had recently come from Italy with his wife Priscilla, because Claudius had ordered all the Jews to leave Rome.
5 When Silas and Timothy came from Macedonia, Paul devoted himself exclusively to preaching, testifying to the Jews that Jesus was the Christ.
Paul answered, "I am a Jew, from Tarsus in Cilicia, a citizen of no ordinary city. Please let me speak to the people."
Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him
Romans 15:27 They were pleased to do it, and indeed they owe it to them. For if the Gentiles have shared in the Jews' spiritual blessings, they owe it to the Jews to share with them their material blessings.
1 Cor 1:24 but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
1 Cor 12:13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.
Galatians 1:
1 Paul, an apostle—sent not from men nor by man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father...
14 I was advancing in Judaism beyond many Jews of my own age and was extremely zealous for the traditions of my fathers.
Galatians 2: 7 On the contrary, they saw that I had been entrusted with the task of preaching the gospel to the Gentiles, just as Peter had been to the Jews.[
8 For God, who was at work in the ministry of Peter as an apostle to the Jews, was also at work in my ministry as an apostle to the Gentiles.
9 James, Peter and John, those reputed to be pillars, gave me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship when they recognized the grace given to me. They agreed that we should go to the Gentiles, and they to the Jews.
Galatians 2:14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew."
Colossians 4:11 Jesus, who is called Justus, also sends greetings. These are the only Jews among my fellow workers for the kingdom of God, and they have proved a comfort to me.
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
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Post by las again on Jul 4, 2006 14:08:34 GMT -5
The qestion is why did jesus manifest himself initially only to the few and not the whole world ?
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Post by To las on Jul 4, 2006 19:08:14 GMT -5
Jesus did manifest Himself but they did not know Him.
John 8: 1 But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them.
12 When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."
13 The Pharisees challenged him, "Here you are, appearing as your own witness; your testimony is not valid."
19Then they asked him, "Where is your father?"
"You do not know me or my Father," Jesus replied. "If you knew me, you would know my Father also."
20 He spoke these words while teaching in the temple area near the place where the offerings were put.
25"Who are you?" they asked.
"Just what I have been claiming all along," Jesus replied. 26 "I have much to say in judgment of you. But he who sent me is reliable, and what I have heard from him I tell the world."
27 They did not understand that he was telling them about his Father.
28 So Jesus said, "When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am the one I claim to be and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me.
29 The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him."
30 Even as he spoke, many put their faith in him.
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Post by To LAS on Jul 4, 2006 19:14:34 GMT -5
Jesus further explained/identified Himself to "all the people gathered around Him":
John 8: 42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me.
43 Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say.
45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me!
46 ....If I am telling the truth, why don't you believe me?
47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God."
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Post by John 10 on Jul 4, 2006 19:19:06 GMT -5
22 Then came the Feast of Dedication at Jerusalem. It was winter,
23 and Jesus was in the temple area walking in Solomon's Colonnade.
24 The Jews gathered around him, saying, "How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly." 25 Jesus answered, "I did tell you, but you do not believe. The miracles I do in my Father's name speak for me, 26but you do not believe because you are not my sheep.
27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.
28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand.
29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and the Father are one."
40 Then Jesus went back across the Jordan to the place where John had been baptizing in the early days. Here he stayed
41 and many people came to him. They said, "Though John never performed a miraculous sign, all that John said about this man was true."
42 And in that place many believed in Jesus.
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Post by las logged out on Jul 5, 2006 10:57:30 GMT -5
I was just wondering why he didn't go to the gentiles
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