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Post by Child of God on Apr 8, 2011 9:40:20 GMT -5
I'm not sure Gospel Meetings will prevent wife beatings....it was known back in the early 1910-20's that many of the men and women that professed got the advice that they shouldn't spare the rod on the children and some of the older workers even so much as advised the men to take the upper hand of their whole family and get it in line with the fellowship.....I know of at least 2 families where after professing the husband/father took up child beating and wife beating as well...they were of the impression that they had to literally beat the truth into their wives and children. And these two men had never done that to their wives or children before hearing "the Gospel mtgs." That wasn't taken from the Bible.... it was a learned philosophy from an earlier learning in their life.... one has to remember that the workers came from other religions and they would have brought with them some of the old ways.... doesn't mean their new preaching was all right.
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Post by ronhall on Apr 8, 2011 11:27:51 GMT -5
I'm not sure Gospel Meetings will prevent wife beatings....it was known back in the early 1910-20's that many of the men and women that professed got the advice that they shouldn't spare the rod on the children and some of the older workers even so much as advised the men to take the upper hand of their whole family and get it in line with the fellowship.....I know of at least 2 families where after professing the husband/father took up child beating and wife beating as well...they were of the impression that they had to literally beat the truth into their wives and children. And these two men had never done that to their wives or children before hearing "the Gospel mtgs." That wasn't taken from the Bible.... it was a learned philosophy from an earlier learning in their life.... one has to remember that the workers came from other religions and they would have brought with them some of the old ways.... doesn't mean their new preaching was all right. So, what I'm reading here is the old workers preached the Gospel of beating children and wives as truth and those who listened to beat the truth into their children and wives. Hmmm -- guess that's one way to explain it. Now that a century has passed, what should one be looking for during the years 2010 - 2020?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2011 11:33:41 GMT -5
God has created good in mankind by default -- it develops at different rates and in different ways under the course of life.
Religion most often attempts to hijack this 'good' in people and then claim it as their own -- next step is to redirect this 'good' to profit each groups specific goals. Religion (as opposed to the Christian spirit) always has ulterior and selfish motives.
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Post by Sylvestra on Apr 8, 2011 12:24:32 GMT -5
Would you actually trust JC with your nuts?! I do not pretend to speak for christians but it would seem they would trust Jesus Christ with anything. If I had meant Jesus Christ, I would have agreed with you. But, then you know I meant Jimmy Carter.....but, as usual, you like to be difficult.
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Post by rational on Apr 8, 2011 12:46:20 GMT -5
I do not pretend to speak for christians but it would seem they would trust Jesus Christ with anything. If I had meant Jesus Christ, I would have agreed with you. But, then you know I meant Jimmy Carter.....but, as usual, you like to be difficult. It sometimes is difficult to communicate on message boards with the humor impaired. Please accept my profound apology for not marking the post as an attempt at humor.
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Post by sharonw on Apr 8, 2011 17:46:33 GMT -5
If I had meant Jesus Christ, I would have agreed with you. But, then you know I meant Jimmy Carter.....but, as usual, you like to be difficult. It sometimes is difficult to communicate on message boards with the humor impaired. Please accept my profound apology for not marking the post as an attempt at humor. Perhaps Scott has found the best uses of the different smiley faces provided for accentuating one's post whether being serious or foolish! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by sharonw on Apr 8, 2011 17:52:19 GMT -5
I don't wonder about him caring for children. Using the rod is mentioned at least 6 times in Proverbs attributed to Solomon. Would you put your children in a childcare situation where there were multiple references explaining how beating a child with a rod would bring about good results? Is it your belief that because the bible promotes corporal punishment, and even killing children in the case of their showing disrespect towards their parents, that imposing discipline on a child by physically hurting them by spanking/hitting/striking is permissible? I think the key word here is 'story'. Having heard that story that portrayed Solomon's great wisdom in regards to the 2 women fighting over one living babe; being at the tender age of 3 and half, I shudder everytime I think of it...even then I wondered what he would have done IF both women had not backed down but still held to their claim....I still wonder what his great wisdom would have done? ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png)
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Post by sharonw on Apr 8, 2011 17:55:05 GMT -5
If the meek will inherit the earth and you are on the 'meek' team then it places you in a position of superiority. You are going to be the rulers. If the poor in spirit are blessed then god is on your side and, given that god is omnipotent and omniscient, that puts the believer in the superior position. If you read all the beatitudes, and along with that all the teachings of Jesus (which I know you have) and then actually apply them to your life...... you realize that....nope.... you aren't in a superior position. You are in a position of justified, sanctified and saved, but that is the same position that everyone is in for following those teachings. Likewise since the least will be the greatest, and we are to love everyone as we love ourselves, and put others before us.... well you are NOT in a position of superiority over others. Would people want to belong to a group that did not hold some superiority over another group? People do not join church "A" if they believe that church "B" has a better chance of getting them into heaven. Anybody that joins a church because they think that the 'church' has a better chance of getting them into heaven obviously doesn't understand the teachings of the bible. If that is why they join that particular church, then they are placing their faith in the church rather than in Jesus. As trevybear would point out about now...... go read your bible.... ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) Scott ![8-)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cool.png) Thanks, Scott for the good reply for Rational's non-faith answers..... I really appreciated the "justified, sanctified and saved" expression! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by rational on Apr 8, 2011 18:06:51 GMT -5
Having heard that story that portrayed Solomon's great wisdom in regards to the 2 women fighting over one living babe at the tender age of 3 and half, I shudder everytime I think of it. I believe the living child was less than a week old. O am guessing it would have something to do with beating someone or something with a rod!
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Post by rational on Apr 8, 2011 19:33:52 GMT -5
Thanks, Scott for the good reply for Rational's non-faith answers..... I really appreciated the "justified, sanctified and saved" expression! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Unfortunately the discussion and my reply had absolutely nothing to do with faith. It was a discussion about group dynamics and the way people react when they are placed in an "us-&-them" situation. An exploration of why it is so easy to get one group to react negatively to another group even though before the grouping the people may all have been in the same group. It has been the subject of many studies with an emphasis on reducing the negative feelings that almost always develop and reduce group effectiveness in, for example, an office setting. There is no reason to believe that religious groups are not susceptible to the same group dynamics.
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Post by Scott Ross on Apr 8, 2011 19:47:30 GMT -5
Unfortunately the discussion and my reply had absolutely nothing to do with faith.Does it ever? ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2011 20:07:57 GMT -5
If I had meant Jesus Christ, I would have agreed with you. But, then you know I meant Jimmy Carter.....but, as usual, you like to be difficult. It sometimes is difficult to communicate on message boards with the humor impaired. Please accept my profound apology for not marking the post as an attempt at humor. I empathize with you on this one; I very often get chasten for my wicked sense of humor on the Net because some folks are unable to tell when I am joking unless I remember to use an emoticon. I admire Scott for his great sense of humor and he is very quick to spot humor.
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Post by rational on Apr 8, 2011 23:39:34 GMT -5
Unfortunately the discussion and my reply had absolutely nothing to do with faith.Does it ever? ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) I try not to get into discussions about faith and beliefs. Each has their own and since they are not founded on fact there is little to discuss. Of course, you have to know your beliefs are so very wrong!
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Post by sharonw on Apr 9, 2011 9:17:29 GMT -5
I'm not sure Gospel Meetings will prevent wife beatings....it was known back in the early 1910-20's that many of the men and women that professed got the advice that they shouldn't spare the rod on the children and some of the older workers even so much as advised the men to take the upper hand of their whole family and get it in line with the fellowship.....I know of at least 2 families where after professing the husband/father took up child beating and wife beating as well...they were of the impression that they had to literally beat the truth into their wives and children. And these two men had never done that to their wives or children before hearing "the Gospel mtgs." That wasn't taken from the Bible.... it was a learned philosophy from an earlier learning in their life.... one has to remember that the workers came from other religions and they would have brought with them some of the old ways.... doesn't mean their new preaching was all right. Read the bible verses that I have quoted and I think you'll realize that old philosophy you speak of came from the bible. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by sharonw on Apr 9, 2011 9:20:11 GMT -5
Unfortunately the discussion and my reply had absolutely nothing to do with faith.Does it ever? ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) I try not to get into discussions about faith and beliefs. Each has their own and since they are not founded on fact there is little to discuss. Of course, you have to know your beliefs are so very wrong!How then is it possible you can dissect such posts? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by rational on Apr 10, 2011 0:42:08 GMT -5
How then is it possible you can dissect such posts? ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) In your case, since you asked, because you frequently present your beliefs as facts and from time to time make posts with factual errors. I try to look it on a post by post basis.
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