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Post by open mind on Aug 7, 2011 22:09:44 GMT -5
Al posted Al, when I get time later I'll paste a post of Scott's and see how it lines up with your 'fair and reasonable' appraisal. As to Cherie and her just 'purely' trying to verify information, the thread that I will be starting may give viewers and posters a different 'perspective' to that which you have. It'd be interesting to do a study of beloved Cherie's 'labor of love' on the behalf of the fellowship. (sure she will have a rich reward in heaven for it) to carefully and impartially be the fellowships 'historian' ( too bad that 99+% of the fellowship have never heard of her or read her illustrious writings) anyway that beside would anyone like to make a guestimate of how much is in Al's 'positive' flow direction and how much is in the negative 'flow direction? maybe my new thread will give a few clues about that? Anyway beloved Cherie continue your noble work (even tho unnoticed by most in the fellowship) knowing that "Therefore, my beloved Cherie, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the fellowship, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the sight of TLC bros and sisters and esp TLC High Priest I lie low (of the lying truth fame)" Try this noels?
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Post by faune on Aug 8, 2011 19:18:02 GMT -5
Noels, For a "supposed" worker, you certainly dont seem to show the love, humility, acceptance for ALL mankind that a minister of the Gospel should i.e. Personal attacks on people for no reason at all. I am in the "truth" and like Cherie have a genuine interest in happenings. I would disagree with you that 99% of "friends" wouldnt know about her work, because alot of people I know who attend meeting know about it, even more in this day and age of technology. I tend to think you are faking your credentials... No he is not faking his credentials,open mind. Open Minds ~ I'll vouch for Linford's statement. Noels is the "real deal" and he is a "worker."However, I would call him the "new wave" of workers today ~ showing his alter ego fairly well. Also, I'm a friend of Cherie Kropps and admire the excellent research she has done on the 2x2's and is well documented for all to see on her site, TTT. I also share the same respect and opinion as Sherbear in relation to Cherie stated below:
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Post by greatfull2010 on Aug 8, 2011 19:43:44 GMT -5
emy - Ive just come across this post
I agree - of the people I know or have communicated with who attend meetings, the vast majority who post here, I believe are honest. (you included emy)
What maybe was confusing in my post was that I included all 2x2 's that I have come into contact over 40 odd years.
In leaving the meetings last year, I have had a range of responses and letters, mainly from three different types of believers;
1) Honest, sincere reliable God fearing people saying - you are going to hell because you have left the fellowship
2) Questionable sincerity - where the people say its so sad and I cant see any good coming out of it , this is a perfect way and the people arent perfect but..... we cant judge These are the type of people who are never give a straight answer and twist things to try not to be trapped into admitting and acknowledging their true beliefs. ( I know of one such poster from my own city who fits this description)
3)Open and honest God fearing people who are in the fellowship who are not defensive or critical who clearly state that they will not judge and they back this up by their actions
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Post by DumSpiroSpero on Aug 9, 2011 0:55:05 GMT -5
In leaving the meetings last year, I have had a range of responses and letters, mainly from three different types of believers; 1) Honest, sincere reliable God fearing people saying - you are going to hell because you have left the fellowship 2) Questionable sincerity - where the people say its so sad and I cant see any good coming out of it , this is a perfect way and the people arent perfect but..... we cant judge These are the type of people who are never give a straight answer and twist things to try not to be trapped into admitting and acknowledging their true beliefs. ( I know of one such poster from my own city who fits this description) 3)Open and honest God fearing people who are in the fellowship who are not defensive or critical who clearly state that they will not judge and they back this up by their actions That about sums them up greatfull... Though they won't say it to your face... except group 3, who you can continue to have awesome fellowship with (and some of group 2 ) - Unfortunately most of the group 1s would not consider you to have any bread for the table...
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Post by lazarus66 on Aug 9, 2011 21:55:50 GMT -5
Noels, you need to remember that as was pointed out above, only bad things usually get a lot of press. Secondly, many of us that have left do not have bad feelings for all F&W's. I am actually looking forward to a visit from a friend from California, that is an elder and will be stopping in to see me this month.
Lastly, I was in several west coast cities, and saw a lot of stuff that was really out of line. I left from Iowa, and can't say enough good about the people there, with the exception of the overseer and a couple of the "friends''.
Face it, you have some real jerks that hide behind the "truth". Jerks are everywhere and stand out more than those that live quiet Godly lives.
I would be curious as to your take on your fellow members, Bert, Kiwi and Glory in Christ, if he still posts here. Would you care to comment on their behavior, not on them personally, but their behavior?
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Post by lizzy on Aug 10, 2011 14:53:29 GMT -5
I'd love to hear about the West coast cities and what you saw that was our of line. I am a W. coast go-to-meetin' person.
of press. Secondly, many of us that have left do not have bad feelings for all F&W's. I am actually looking forward to a visit from a friend from California, that is an elder and will be stopping in to see me this month.
Lastly, I was in several west coast cities, and saw a lot of stuff that was really out of line. I left from Iowa, and can't say enough good about the people there, with the exception of the overseer and a couple of the "friends''.
Face it, you have some real jerks that hide behind the "truth". Jerks are everywhere and stand out more than those that live quiet Godly lives.
I would be curious as to your take on your fellow members, Bert, Kiwi and Glory in Christ, if he still posts here. Would you care to comment on their behavior, not on them personally, but their behavior?[/quote]
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Post by ronhall on Aug 10, 2011 19:51:17 GMT -5
I'd love to hear about the West coast cities and what you saw that was our of line. I am a W. coast go-to-meetin' person. of press. Secondly, many of us that have left do not have bad feelings for all F&W's. I am actually looking forward to a visit from a friend from California, that is an elder and will be stopping in to see me this month. Lastly, I was in several west coast cities, and saw a lot of stuff that was really out of line. I left from Iowa, and can't say enough good about the people there, with the exception of the overseer and a couple of the "friends''. Face it, you have some real jerks that hide behind the "truth". Jerks are everywhere and stand out more than those that live quiet Godly lives. I would be curious as to your take on your fellow members, Bert, Kiwi and Glory in Christ, if he still posts here. Would you care to comment on their behavior, not on them personally, but their behavior? [/quote] One of the things he might find out-of-line is the large number of men wearing blue ties compared to red ties on the left (I mean west) coast. In fact I'm trying to remember when was the last time I saw a man wearing a red tie. I think it might have been in Iowa. :>)
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Post by lazarus66 on Aug 10, 2011 22:37:36 GMT -5
Lizzy, I don't think you would like to hear what I saw. Without specifics, I saw cliques of "the cool kids" and the "geeks" being left out. I saw homosexuality and child abuse hidden, I saw perversion of elders, I was the target of out and out lies and was excommunicated in 1980, I returned in 2001 and exited again in 2007. I saw my overseer doing things in photographs that I was excommunicated for having rumored to have done. Again, there are a lot of wonderful people in the group, but this stuff was pretty wide spread, especially in the larger cities in the Seattle, Portland, and Sacramento areas. What really was one of the final straws was I went to a convention on the east coast around 2005, and was looking forward to seeing a worker I had not seen in nearly 35 years. Instead of being greeted in a loving kind way, of an old dear friend, I was greeted with accusations of the lies from 1980, and lectures about my "unwise ways". I could be more specific, and detailed, but I don't think it would fly too well.
I will just have to say that out of all of the places I was with the F&W's, there were fewer that were kind and opened their homes to me, than those that rejected and gossiped about me with the lies. I happened to have had a daughter out of wedlock, and my getting custody of her and going to meetings with her seemed to bring more negative treatment, than positive. I was not going to meetings when she was conceived or born. I have had more people cheat me out of money that were "innies" and when I went to workers for help, I was ignored. I was helped in one situation by one of the friends in Seattle, and admire him to this day.
I know there is good and bad in everything, but the things I witnessed, especially in the larger cities, were pretty lopsided to the negative side.
If you want specifics PM me, and let me know what area you are in and I will tell you if I have been there, but hope for confidentiality going both ways..........
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2013 15:02:42 GMT -5
Crikey Noels - are you really a worker? You're a bit scary - I hope you don't appear on my radar....
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Post by faune on Jul 14, 2013 9:38:36 GMT -5
Scott I used Sweetie as you use candy ass etc, Wonder why I attract squeals when you don't. Probably seeing who does the 'squealing' gives me the answer on that? Noels ~ You just left yourself open to feedback with your last remark and I would like to add my own two cents to the mix. I take it that you are back home from your assignment abroad and checking in again to "spice things up" for the rest of us with your twisted perspectives on people who post here? Your "off the cuff" comments about some who have done a swell job at what they do may be more motivated by jealousy than anything else, IMHO? Cherie's inquiry for information surely didn't deserve the "sniper attack" she received from you! Neither did Scott deserve the "character assassination" you enjoy dishing out! I believe you owe them both an apology for your "off-the-wall" behavior today, especially by someone claiming to be a worker within the 2x2 fellowship and a peacemaker? Have you ever thought about what a screwed-up picture you present to the rest of us with your "snipper attacks" on line and twisted sense of humor and how it reflects on other workers? Also, what about the "image of the fellowship" you present when you "act out" on TMB? This has been a peaceful board with good discussions for a while now and I'm sure posters would like to see it kept that way. So, why don't you tame down your sarcasm and give us all a break?
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Post by faune on Jul 14, 2013 10:00:08 GMT -5
Well, I'm just a little embarassed now. I just noticed that this was a resurrected thread by a new member, imelda. This thread actually goes back to 2011 when we had the honor of the notorious noels in our presence. I responded to his bizarre sense of humor only to learn that this was back in time and we are in July 2013. Next time I will be sure to check out the dates on posts before I respond. However, it did feel good to tell off noels, even if he wasn't around to hear it two years later. I always wanted to do that personally. Now some newcomers to TMB will have a taste of what we put up with in the past from this "sweetheart" of a worker with the username of noels? imelda shared...
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Post by emy on Jul 14, 2013 12:35:20 GMT -5
Perhaps when you see someone from the fellowship "acting out" on TMB, it helps you understand better how exes get an image when one of them acts out.
I understand broad-brushing is totally unfair, but we need to have it work both ways.
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Post by faune on Jul 14, 2013 14:53:00 GMT -5
Perhaps when you see someone from the fellowship "acting out" on TMB, it helps you understand better how exes get an image when one of them acts out. I understand broad-brushing is totally unfair, but we need to have it work both ways. Emy ~ I totally agree with you and feel it works both ways. However, "noels" is a worker who really showed his true colors on this thread back in 2011, you must admit? I feel people from both sides of the fence could agree with that conclusion and they expressed themselves accordingly back in time when exposed to noels' snipper attacks. However, when either side engages in character assassination followed by snarly remarks, it's a distraction from healthy discussions. I feel TMB is a much friendlier environment today since some of the rabble-rousers have left the Board? I find many among the fellowship to be gentle souls who are sincere and open with their feelings and I enjoy what I see. I also value your posts along with your frankness and honesty, when you see something that doesn't speak of equality. Personally, I don't like the negativity that such discourses generate and prefer the kinder atmosphere we enjoy today.
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 14, 2013 17:13:38 GMT -5
Cherie Sweetie Sounds like you enjoy pursuing all the gossip, rumors and scandels that will help you in your goal of rubbishing and setting at nought the devilish workers of the 2x2 cult? any others see it like I do? You of course don't see it that way Sweetie, so tell us all how I am wrong, tell me the edifying and helpful motive that you have that is the reason for starting this thread thanks noels [quote author="@noels" source="/post/393570/thread" timestamp="1299104012" Cherie SweetieSounds like you enjoy pursuing all the gossip, rumors and scandels that will help you in your goal of rubbishing and setting at nought the devilish workers of the 2x2 cult? any others see it like I do?You of course don't see it that way Sweetie, so tell us all how I am wrong, tell me the edifying and helpful motive that you have that is the reason for starting this thread thanks noels[/quote] noel's "quote" about cherie:"any others see it like I do?"Absolutely not! You don't even come in a million miles of being as honest & accurate as cherie!
And how about your are being a sexist pig for referring to any woman as "sweetie"?
Shows how you consider women. You can keep your holier-than-thou, bash a woman over the head & drag her back to your cave, mindset!
Good lord! I thought that type of man(?) had disappeared along with the dodo bird!
Come into the present time zone, noels,(or whoever you really are) like most all of the MEN that I know!
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Post by dmmichgood on Jul 14, 2013 17:19:50 GMT -5
Well, I'm just a little embarrassed now. &NBS; I just noticed that this was a resurrected thread by a new member, Imelda.&NBS;This thread&NBS;actually goes&NBS;back to&NBS;&NBS;2011 when we had the honor of the notorious&NBS; noels in our presence.&NBS;&NBS; I responded to his&NBS; bizarre sense of humor only to learn that this was back in time and we are in July 2013.&NBS; Next time I will be sure to check out the dates on posts before I respond.&NBS; However, it did feel good to tell off noels, even if he wasn't around to hear it two years later.&NBS; I always wanted to do that personally.&NBS; Now some newcomers have a taste of what we put up with in the past from this "sweetheart" of a worker with the&NBS;user name of noels?&NBS; Imelda shared... Don't be embarrassed,Faunie, better to answer him later than never!
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Post by faune on Jul 14, 2013 17:44:49 GMT -5
Dmmichgood ~ Yeah ~ it's sort of like sending out an Exit Letter two years later, huh? I was really thinking of deleting my post out of embarassment, but then said to myself, "What the heck, noels had it coming for some time and I never got my chance to share my true feelings with him as others have done."
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Post by faune on Jul 14, 2013 17:50:44 GMT -5
Crikey Noels - are you really a worker? You're a bit scary - I hope you don't appear on my radar.... imelda ~ Just wondering ~ are you related to noels in some way? It just seems strange that you, a newcomer, would pick this thread from the past where noels really showed his true colors for all of us to appreciate his Royal Highness on TMB? One thing for sure, he has never been surpassed by anybody else for his twisted sense of humor!
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Post by faune on Jul 14, 2013 18:26:34 GMT -5
Cherie Sweetie Sounds like you enjoy pursuing all the gossip, rumors and scandels that will help you in your goal of rubbishing and setting at nought the devilish workers of the 2x2 cult? any others see it like I do? You of course don't see it that way Sweetie, so tell us all how I am wrong, tell me the edifying and helpful motive that you have that is the reason for starting this thread thanks noels [quote author="@noels" source="/post/393570/thread" timestamp="1299104012" Cherie SweetieSounds like you enjoy pursuing all the gossip, rumors and scandels that will help you in your goal of rubbishing and setting at nought the devilish workers of the 2x2 cult? any others see it like I do?You of course don't see it that way Sweetie, so tell us all how I am wrong, tell me the edifying and helpful motive that you have that is the reason for starting this thread thanks noels noel's "quote" about cherie:"any others see it like I do?"Absolutely not! You don't even come in a million miles of being as honest & accurate as cherie!
And how about your are being a sexist pig for referring to any woman as "sweetie"?
Shows how you consider women. You can keep your holier-than-thou, bash a woman over the head & drag her back to your cave, mindset!
Good lord! I thought that type of man(?) had disappeared along with the dodo bird!
Come into the present time zone, noels,(or whoever you really are) like most all of the MEN that I know!
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Post by faune on Jul 14, 2013 18:41:05 GMT -5
Dmmichgood ~ It seems noels also got a knee-jerk reaction out of you, too, with his term of endearment for women? However, I got quite a chuckle out of your response to his "Sweetie" usage. You actually nailed him better in your post, even if he did say it over two years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2013 16:31:34 GMT -5
"Jul 13, 2013 at 9:02pm imelda said: Crikey Noels - are you really a worker? You're a bit scary - I hope you don't appear on my radar.... imelda ~ Just wondering ~ are you related to noels in some way? It just seems strange that you, a newcomer, would pick this thread from the past where noels really showed his true colors for all of us to appreciate his Royal Highness on TMB? One thing for sure, he has never been surpassed by anybody else for his twisted sense of humor!" Well first of all - is it not proper TMB "etiquette" to pick up an old post and comment? As I'm new here, I'm not sure what is "proper" and what isn't! I have no idea who Noels is - but I'm pretty certain I am not related! I certainly do not recognise his manner in any of my relatives. And - just curious - is he still a worker??
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Post by kencoolidge on Jul 19, 2013 11:42:35 GMT -5
Cherie Sweetie Sounds like you enjoy pursuing all the gossip, rumors and scandels that will help you in your goal of rubbishing and setting at nought the devilish workers of the 2x2 cult? any others see it like I do? You of course don't see it that way Sweetie, so tell us all how I am wrong, tell me the edifying and helpful motive that you have that is the reason for starting this thread thanks noels Noels I don't usually read on here and Noel it would seem that your sickening sarcasm is one of the reasons. If this is an example of the way workers talk to others I can see why they fail to attract interest ken
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 20, 2013 15:42:31 GMT -5
Cherie Sweetie Sounds like you enjoy pursuing all the gossip, rumors and scandels that will help you in your goal of rubbishing and setting at nought the devilish workers of the 2x2 cult? any others see it like I do? You of course don't see it that way Sweetie, so tell us all how I am wrong, tell me the edifying and helpful motive that you have that is the reason for starting this thread thanks noels Lacking a freedom of information, how else are 2x2s to hear about things the hierarchy doesn't want them to know about? It's how dictatorships work.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 20, 2013 15:47:03 GMT -5
Has anyone heard the rumor that was passed to me that a couple of brother workers "defected" from China not too long ago? (last year) I have no idea what "defected" meant when used in this rumor... Civilians do not "defect" from China any more -- except if they have been ordered not to leave the country by a court. I know of two workers who "defected" from being workers in China -- a man and a woman who got married -- very close connection to my family. The woman's sister, who left the work in Canada, also married a brother worker in China and they live in Hong Kong.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 20, 2013 15:51:40 GMT -5
Scott I used Sweetie as you use candy ass etc, Wonder why I attract squeals when you don't. Probably seeing who does the 'squealing' gives me the answer on that? Maybe the others aren't bilingual and don't understand the "squeal" language.
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 20, 2013 16:00:39 GMT -5
Cherie Sweetie Sounds like you enjoy pursuing all the gossip, rumors and scandels that will help you in your goal of rubbishing and setting at nought the devilish workers of the 2x2 cult? any others see it like I do? You of course don't see it that way Sweetie, so tell us all how I am wrong, tell me the edifying and helpful motive that you have that is the reason for starting this thread thanks noels Noels I don't usually read on here and Noel it would seem that your sickening sarcasm is one of the reasons. If this is an example of the way workers talk to others I can see why they fail to attract interest ken But the attitude does make for some ranting hell fire and brimstone scare the crap out of you gospel sermons. They're more fun observed than experienced.
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Post by emy on Jul 20, 2013 18:14:44 GMT -5
Bob, are the marriages you mention recent?
I was under the impression it was in the timeframe of the OP when these 2 workers left.
Anyone have names?
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Post by BobWilliston on Jul 20, 2013 19:41:56 GMT -5
Bob, are the marriages you mention recent? I was under the impression it was in the timeframe of the OP when these 2 workers left. Anyone have names? Not sure what OP means. The marriages I know about took place something like 5 to 7 years ago. Nadia Corkum married .... Chiung (Chinese Irish, I believe) Living in Hong Kong Susan Corkum married Tim Chung (Korean American) Living in Chicago Susan and Nadia's sister is married to my brother.
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Post by faune on Jul 21, 2013 13:43:02 GMT -5
Bob, are the marriages you mention recent? I was under the impression it was in the timeframe of the OP when these 2 workers left. Anyone have names? Not sure what OP means. The marriages I know about took place something like 5 to 7 years ago. Nadia Corkum married .... Chiung (Chinese Irish, I believe) Living in Hong Kong Susan Corkum married Tim Chung (Korean American) Living in Chicago Susan and Nadia's sister is married to my brother. Bob ~ To answer your question, OP stands for Opening Paragraph in Emy's post. Also, wonder how she met up with this worker in China, being a worker in Canada for a number of years? Just curious, in case you have an answer? Also, I must admit, this thread really showed Noels at his finest hour back in 2011. I was surprised to see it resurrected by a new member with the username of "imelda" and wondered what caused its appearance out of the blue? Is Noels back visiting with us under a new name perhaps?
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