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Post by CherieKropp on Feb 28, 2011 10:18:09 GMT -5
Has anyone heard the rumor that was passed to me that a couple of brother workers "defected" from China not too long ago? (last year)
I have no idea what "defected" meant when used in this rumor...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2011 10:39:06 GMT -5
I know of one brother worker who went back to the States but is still in the fellowship.
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Post by CherieKropp on Feb 28, 2011 19:20:27 GMT -5
I know of one brother worker who went back to the States but is still in the fellowship. So he's no longer a worker? I know of another one - who's family says he's "resting", but he has bought a home and has a real job
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Post by Scott Ross on Mar 2, 2011 18:15:04 GMT -5
Cherie Sweetie Sounds like you enjoy pursuing all the gossip, rumors and scandels that will help you in your goal of rubbishing and setting at nought the devilish workers of the 2x2 cult? any others see it like I do? You of course don't see it that way Sweetie, so tell us all how I am wrong, tell me the edifying and helpful motive that you have that is the reason for starting this thread thanks noels I too am curious about workers that have left the work. It isn't for a desire to pursue gossip, nor is it for bashing the workers. It is a curiosity based on the fact that I know of several workers that have left in the last few years, and the reasons why they have. As far as I have seen, there have more leave than join, and it isn't having a positive effect on the church. We read of shrinking membership in the church, along with larger fields that pairs of workers are now serving in, a shrinking number of Sunday morning meetings, several meetings that have been combined because of shrinking numbers, and likewise the problem that entails with some folks having to drive considerable distances in order to have fellowship. Not sure if I would call workers leaving the church 'defectors', but in some instances I would imagine that would be a true representation of what takes place. Usually a 'defector' is one who can no longer stand the 'government' it is leaving behind because of real or perceived injustices or human rights violations. I haven't heard why the workers left the church, but am interested to hear. Scott Oh.... and a lot of folks do think of Cherie as a real 'Sweetie', although it seems you are using it in a derogatory manner. Maybe we should come up with a pet name for you too? How about Dogbreath? ;D
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Post by Alan Vandermyden on Mar 2, 2011 21:23:47 GMT -5
Scott I appreciate your pet name for me, thanks, never mind that it is 'just water off a duck's' back, I'll try to remember it. You intrigue me Scott! You aren't part of this fellowship and I respect that, it's individual matter as to whether we are or not. But since you aren't it intrigues me that you devote so much time to this board and have such a keen interest in all that goes on in the fellowship. What drives you? , I feel you like the 'place' that you have on this board, that others look to you and respect you and that 'makes you feel good'. I feel that is part of it. Another part is that you seem to 'enjoy' anything that has anything of a 'negative' flavor in regard to this fellowship? I'm not saying you don't enjoy anything positive, but I do feel (rightly or wrongly) that you enjoy the negative stuff more? your buddy dogbreath noels I don't see Scott as enjoying anything that has a "negative" flavor. He tries to be very fair and reasonable in addressing issues, particularly in not passing on information that is only "gossip." Cherie is also simply trying to verify information. I know that numerous friends and workers are decidedly interested in hearing of anyone who has either chosen to no longer attend meetings, someone who is "listening" or has just recently professed, has offered for the work or is going in the work, and so on. Does it become gossip only when the "flow" is in the "opposite" direction?
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Post by Alan Vandermyden on Mar 2, 2011 21:58:59 GMT -5
would anyone like to make a guestimate of how much is in Al's 'positive' flow direction and how much is in the negative 'flow direction? noels, please note that I did not state anything as either "positive" or "negative.," nor did I make any kind of estimate as to how much is in any direction. I simply stated that friends and workers are very interested in people who profess (or discontinue going to meetings), or go in the work. My question is why is it only considered gossip when others are interested in someone no longer attending meetings, or leaving the work. You may assume these to be "negative" flows; perhaps others view them as positive . . . I personally see them as neither, but simply as someone making their own choice as to their life and their future, and yes, I find it interesting. But I do not consider it to be gossip. Gossip is information - true or untrue - that is used to vilify and hurt someone.
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Post by Scott Ross on Mar 2, 2011 23:14:16 GMT -5
Scott I appreciate your pet name for me, thanks, never mind that it is 'just water off a duck's' back, I'll try to remember it.Good. Don't feel too special about it though. It is a name I use for my best friend, my brother-in-law and anyone else on occasion, to include my kids. You intrigue me Scott! You aren't part of this fellowship and I respect that, it's individual matter as to whether we are or not.
Yep. I do have a few cousins that are workers and lots of relatives who are professing though. But since you aren't it intrigues me that you devote so much time to this board and have such a keen interest in all that goes on in the fellowship.What drives you? , I feel you like the 'place' that you have on this board, that others look to you and respect you and that 'makes you feel good'. I feel that is part of it.I do like my place on this board. As one of the moderators here, I feel a responsibility to help try to keep the peace here, interact with others as needed or wanted and to continue to try to build bridges without compromising my convictions on certain issues. I'll be the first to admit that at times I tend to draw a 'line in the sand' as I refuse to compromise on my beliefs. Another part is that you seem to 'enjoy' anything that has anything of a 'negative' flavor in regard to this fellowship? I'm not saying you don't enjoy anything positive, but I do feel (rightly or wrongly) that you enjoy the negative stuff more?Actually I really detest the negative stuff. I detest when people make broad sweeping statements against 'workers', 'professing people', 'exes' and so on. I do appreciate those that will point out problems and then help provide solutions to those problems as well. Perhaps you aren't aware of it, but I am also the administrator of this board: wingsbts.proboards.com/index.cgiAnd the administrator of this website: wingsfortruth.info/I get to hear a lot of negative stuff about individuals within the church. Would prefer not to hear it, but for whatever reason it is what I ended up having laid on me to be a part of. Very little of what I do or hear about gets posted here on the board actually. Along with what I post here (and I try to be fairly specific in regard to incidents or individuals) I do a lot of stuff 'off board'. In fact, if you look at the number of posts, I have (currently 5,825) I also have about 2700 PM's in my inbox and a similar number in my outbox, plus I am sure well over twice that many emails during the same time period. I email with professing folks, exes, workers, ex-workers, retired workers and other folks that I have come in contact with because of my involvement here. I am also a biker, and have served our motorcycle club as an officer for the last 7 years, and am running for the position of Director of the club right now. I am the head usher at my church, involve myself with our youth group there as needed, as well as being a regular at the men's bible studies. I am rarely bored with life, and God places new things and people in my life regularly to be involved with. I will help all that I can, respond to all that contact me in an open and honest manner, and consider myself very blessed by God to have the friends that I do. I am also a sinner, just a regular guy who screws up just as much or more than anyone else. I am also a Dogbreath..... Any more questions you would like to ask? Scott
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Post by debkingkent on Mar 3, 2011 4:50:40 GMT -5
Just saying, using the word "sweetie" gives me a derogaatory feeling. I am a survivor of abuse and I'm offended. Yes, I proably need to lighten up and not take things so literally. However, bottom line, we need to know things about what is happening in the "Truth", not talking about it leads to just what we are trying to stop, silence, if negative...sweep it under the rug, ect. We need this site for people that are adult survivors, many generations of the religion, family members that were workers,.......So let this be a forum where we (healing adults/children) can post w/o more fear of retribution. Thanks
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Post by Scott Ross on Mar 3, 2011 12:42:47 GMT -5
I see those that do not complain of the poor behavior of their overseers as a bunch of candy-asses actually...... Now you should note that I was referring to a select group of people in my post noels. If you are one that could be considered 'a peacemaker' (gonna be my favorite word for a while I think) then you wouldn't be in that group of a 'bunch of candy-asses' now would you? You would be right there helping resolve conflict in the church, mediating between those who are having issues and working to bring lastig peace, making sure that the church remains scripturally sound....... Scott
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Post by Sylvestra on Mar 3, 2011 13:53:48 GMT -5
noels, Scott Ross has proven himself over many years to be a peacemaker.....just in case you're not clear about that!
Best regards, Edy
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Post by Sylvestra on Mar 3, 2011 13:58:11 GMT -5
Cherie Sweetie Sounds like you enjoy pursuing all the gossip, rumors and scandels that will help you in your goal of rubbishing and setting at nought the devilish workers of the 2x2 cult? any others see it like I do? You of course don't see it that way Sweetie, so tell us all how I am wrong, tell me the edifying and helpful motive that you have that is the reason for starting this thread thanks noels Do you have any idea how you are coming across to your fellow F&W by using this abusive kind of language ("sweetie, etc.") here? No so good, my friend. No so good. It is equivalent to name-calling and profanity in our discourse here.
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Post by ronhall on Mar 3, 2011 14:38:42 GMT -5
Goodness! Gracious! I've had old ladies with curled hair frizzled over bald spots and sporting enough hardware hanging from their ear lobes that might actually catch a salmon if trolled behind my boat call me sweetie. And to think I wasn't grossed out or even considered myself in danger of being molested! Where have I been? :>)
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Post by Alan Vandermyden on Mar 3, 2011 14:43:32 GMT -5
Al you posted Here is a post of Scott's he later told Emy Just thought I'd post this to support your very valid comment that Scott doesn't enjoy anything that has a "negative" flavor and that he tries to be very fair and reasonable in addressing issues. Another thing I really appreciate about Scott is he helps me, he reminds me and corrects me I'm glad Scott doesn't use derogatory terms or even terms that some might mistake for being derogatory. from noel the troll who is might also be a dogbreath of a candy ass I don't see how these posts support the idea that Scott "enjoys things with a negative flavor." Scott is addressing specific concerns, and he is joking with some whom he evidently feels he can joke with. Addressing concerns certainly does not mean a person "enjoys" them. I'm not saying I always see things exactly as Scott does (do any 2 people agree on everything?), but he is straightforward with his views, and is quick to acknowledge "positive" words and actions when he sees them.
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Post by Scott Ross on Mar 3, 2011 15:09:38 GMT -5
noels, I don't know if this is the post you wanted responded to or not. You are leaving it open as to whether I am in your favorite group 'a peacemaker' or not.appreciate that.Yep. You would know better than I whether you are one that is proactive and acts to reconcile disputes with others. Where do you see yourself? As a peacemaker. I'm willing to risk being called names, treated poorly for my willingness to help others, and to look out for the welfare of my brothers and sisters Wonder if referring to others as candy asses is the way a peacemaker operates?Yes. They are willing to use language and terms which get peoples attention. Incidentally, candy-ass is another of those terms such as dogbreath which I have used for most of my life. It might have a different meaning for you of course. If using such language would be useful to those who wish to resolve conflict in the church?Sure. It got your attention didn't it? I would think much the same as Paul when he got into it with Peter and labeled him a hypocrite. He was using that term to let Peter know he was screwing up in his actions, and that those actions were harming the church. If Paul wouldn't have been willing to get into Peter's face, there would have been lots of issues later on down the road in that church that Peter was allowing to be subverted by a return to the law that Jesus had set it free of. Scott
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Post by Scott Ross on Mar 21, 2011 12:14:54 GMT -5
Scott I used Sweetie as you use candy ass etc, Wonder why I attract squeals when you don't. Probably seeing who does the 'squealing' gives me the answer on that? No, there was a big difference actually. You used the name 'sweetie' as a way to address an individual. Here was my original post: I see those that do not complain of the poor behavior of their overseers as a bunch of candy-asses actually...... That could possibly not apply to anyone, as everyone might complain about poor behavior of their overseers. That word has been a part of my vocabulary for a loooooong time, and refers to anyone that is weak and ineffective in dealing with an issue that confronts them. Scott
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Post by ronhall on Mar 22, 2011 0:23:15 GMT -5
Scott I used Sweetie as you use candy ass etc, Wonder why I attract squeals when you don't. Probably seeing who does the 'squealing' gives me the answer on that? No, there was a big difference actually. You used the name 'sweetie' as a way to address an individual. Here was my original post: I see those that do not complain of the poor behavior of their overseers as a bunch of candy-asses actually...... That could possibly not apply to anyone, as everyone might complain about poor behavior of their overseers. That word has been a part of my vocabulary for a loooooong time, and refers to anyone that is weak and ineffective in dealing with an issue that confronts them. Scott So Scott, that must include turning the other cheek?
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Post by trevybear on Mar 22, 2011 22:54:11 GMT -5
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Post by ronhall on Mar 22, 2011 23:31:30 GMT -5
was curious about the title of the message board. Seems to be about China and workers. got lost and couldn't find anything about it? ? You obviously didn't look hard enough. Check the post above. Hint: Aren't workers and Chinese people also supposed to turn the other cheek? :>)
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Post by greatfull2010 on Aug 4, 2011 0:18:58 GMT -5
lizzy - in response to your message to noels - I dont agree with you. I dont believe noels is wasting his time on here. If some exes or innies and a worker can learn something from each other then its not wasted.
hey - as an ex who was an innie born and raised and professing for 25 years, I dont see you as blind.
Im ugly enough and old enough to realise that I know so little and Im learning more each day. Im sure that I have a view on some things that I may find out one day are misguided just as you may also. I say this because Ive changed my beliefs on some things over the years.
I think the reverse situation applies more to exclusive 2x2's who believe all exes are blind and lost.
Nathan is one of the few honest 2x2's who states his position clearly.
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Post by emy on Aug 4, 2011 9:52:18 GMT -5
Nathan is one of the few honest 2x2's who states his position clearly. Actually, of the people I know (personally) who post here, we do state our position honestly. It may be a matter of whether others are willing to accept our position, because they have a preconceived idea of what the fellowship believes. One thing about not having written doctrine, it allows us to have a wider range of beliefs and still have fellowship with each other, even worldwide.
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 4, 2011 13:35:02 GMT -5
Lizzy - the OP was not referring to Wayne X, but rather some who recently left the work who labored in China.
Also, I do not "hate" the F&Ws. My dad is one of them.
I am aware of Wayne X (if he is the same Wayne) who was in the work in Oklahoma who went to China in the 1980s or early 1990s.
I heard Wayne left China and the work and meetings altogether.
I was told that he professed as an adult (early 20's maybe?) and went in to the work soon after.
I cant think of his last name at the moment.
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Post by Linford Bledsoe on Aug 4, 2011 15:06:47 GMT -5
I believe you are right about Wayne, Cherie. I can't think of his last name either.
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Post by lizzy on Aug 4, 2011 18:22:41 GMT -5
Cherie, you are thinking of the same Wayne. Yes, he is the one who was in OK. Is it Wayne Griffith or Griffin?
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Post by open mind on Aug 4, 2011 21:58:11 GMT -5
Noels,
For a "supposed" worker, you certainly dont seem to show the love, humility, acceptance for ALL mankind that a minister of the Gospel should i.e. Personal attacks on people for no reason at all.
I am in the "truth" and like Cherie have a genuine interest in happenings. I would disagree with you that 99% of "friends" wouldnt know about her work, because alot of people I know who attend meeting know about it, even more in this day and age of technology.
I tend to think you are faking your credentials...
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Post by lizzy on Aug 4, 2011 22:30:52 GMT -5
Noels, For a "supposed" worker, you certainly dont seem to show the love, humility, acceptance for ALL mankind that a minister of the Gospel should i.e. Personal attacks on people for no reason at all. I am in the "truth" and like Cherie have a genuine interest in happenings. I would disagree with you that 99% of "friends" wouldnt know about her work, because alot of people I know who attend meeting know about it, even more in this day and age of technology. I tend to think you are faking your credentials... Open mind, I think you're onto something about Noels.
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Post by alexander on Aug 4, 2011 23:53:26 GMT -5
Cherie, you are thinking of the same Wayne. Yes, he is the one who was in OK. Is it Wayne Griffith or Griffin? I met him at Rogers, AR convention in 1988. I believe his last name is Griffith. He was a great speaker for one so young in the work. I really liked him and would like to speak with him again. I hope that he is doing well since leaving the work.
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Post by Linford Bledsoe on Aug 5, 2011 8:05:32 GMT -5
Noels, For a "supposed" worker, you certainly dont seem to show the love, humility, acceptance for ALL mankind that a minister of the Gospel should i.e. Personal attacks on people for no reason at all. I am in the "truth" and like Cherie have a genuine interest in happenings. I would disagree with you that 99% of "friends" wouldnt know about her work, because alot of people I know who attend meeting know about it, even more in this day and age of technology. I tend to think you are faking your credentials... No he is not faking his credentials,open mind.
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Post by eh? on Aug 5, 2011 20:13:10 GMT -5
Cherie Sweetie Sounds like you enjoy pursuing all the gossip, rumors and scandels that will help you in your goal of rubbishing and setting at nought the devilish workers of the 2x2 cult? What difference does it make if she enjoys it or not?? Does her 'enjoying' what she does make her work (web site) lies? Just like news in the real world, its the bad news that makes the news. It doesn't made the bad news untrue. 'In' or 'out,' we are still one big family and like to hear how and what others are doing ... how does that make it gossip?
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