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Post by pegasus on Jul 3, 2006 4:08:58 GMT -5
The university professor challenged his students with this question.
"Did God create everything that exists?"
A student bravely replied, "Yes, he did!"
"God created everything?" The professor asked.
"Yes sir", the student replied.
The professor answered, "If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to the principal that our works define who we are, then God is evil".
The student became quiet before such an answer. The professor, quite pleased with himself, boasted to the students that he had proven once more that the Christian faith was a myth.
Another student raised his hand and said, "Can I ask you a question professor?"
"Of course", replied the professor.
The student stood up and asked, "Professor, does cold exist?"
"What kind of question is this? Of course it exists. Have you never been cold?" The students snickered at the young man's question.
The young man replied, "In fact sir, cold does not exist. According to the laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the absence of heat. Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-460° F) is the total absence of heat; all matter becomes inert and incapable of reaction at that temperature. Cold does not exist. We have created this word to describe how we feel if we have no heat."
The student continued, "Professor, does darkness exist?"
The professor responded, "Of course it does."
The student replied, "Once again you are wrong sir, darkness does not exist either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light we can study, but not darkness. In fact we can use Newton's prism to break white light into many colors and study the various wavelengths of each color. You cannot measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break into a world of darkness and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a certain space is? You measure the amount of light present. Isn't this correct? Darkness is a term used by man to describe what happens when there is no light present."
Finally the young man asked the professor, "Sir, does evil exist?"
Now uncertain, the professor responded, "Of course as I have already said. We see it every day. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil."
To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is not like faith, or love that exist just as does light and heat. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light."
The professor sat down.
The young man's name --- Albert Einstein
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Post by jxr on Jul 3, 2006 6:08:18 GMT -5
You have claimed that this was an event in Einstein's life, with complete absense of any proof or citing any source to back up this claim. This www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp reference indicates that this story, while nice, is likely to be false. Which, by definition, makes the post evil. And, if God is omnipotent, how can there ever be any absense of God?
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Post by Nah on Jul 3, 2006 6:15:28 GMT -5
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Post by jxr on Jul 3, 2006 6:24:21 GMT -5
Perpetuating falsehoods is not evil?
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Post by Nah on Jul 3, 2006 6:42:01 GMT -5
like 'did Christopher Columbus discover America' true or false. yes, there is a lot of evil on this board, but i am talking about the word 'false'
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Post by absense of God on Jul 3, 2006 6:48:50 GMT -5
And, if God is omnipotent, how can there ever be any absense of God? This is known to me as a logical paradox. God is omnipresent, except in hades, which by ''definition'', is VOID, from the presense of God, and it is the place, that those that are seperated from God, will inhabit, eternally.
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Post by Brick on Jul 3, 2006 22:17:06 GMT -5
Well, I liked the story, whether true or not.
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Post by Camel contributor on Jul 3, 2006 22:22:07 GMT -5
CAMELS
If you ever doubted that God exists, meet the Very Technical, Highly Engineered Dromedary Camel.
When I'm hungry, I'll eat almost anything-a leather bridle, a piece of rope, my master's tent, or a pair of shoes.
My mouth is so tough a thorny cactus doesn't bother it. I love to chow down grass and other plants that grow here on the Arabian desert. I'm a dromedary camel, the one-hump kind that lives on hot deserts in the Middle East.
My hump, all eighty pounds of it, is filled with fat-my body fuel-not water as some people believe. My Mighty Maker gave it to me because He knew I wouldn't always be able to find food as I travel across the hot sands. When I don't find any chow, my body automatically takes fat from the hump, feeds my system, and keeps me going strong. This is my emergency food supply. If I can't find any plants to munch, my body uses up my hump. When the hump gets smaller, it starts to tip to one side. But when I get to a nice oasis and begin to eat again, my hump soon builds back to normal.
I've been known to drink twenty-seven gallons of water in ten minutes. My Master Designer made me in such a fantastic way that in a matter of minutes all the water I've swallowed travels to the billions of microscopic cells that make up my flesh. Naturally, the water I swallow first goes into my stomach. There thirsty blood vessels absorb and carry it to every part of my body. Scientists have tested my stomach and found it empty ten minutes after I've drunk twenty gallons.
In an eight hour day I can carry a four hundred pound load a hundred miles across a hot, dry desert and not stop once for a drink or something to eat. In fact, I've been known to go eight days without a drink, but then I look a wreck. I lose 227 pounds, my ribs show through my skin, and I look terribly skinny. But I feel great! I look thin because the billions of cells lose their water. They're no longer fat. They're flat.
Normally my blood contains 94 percent water, just like yours. But when I can't find any water to drink, the heat of the sun gradually robs a little water out of my blood. Scientists have found that my blood can lose up to 40 percent of its water, and I'm still healthy. Doctor's say human blood has to stay very close to 94 percent water. If you lose 5 percent of it, you can't see anymore; 10 percent, you can't hear and you go insane; 12 percent, your blood is as thick as molasses and your heart can't pump the thick stuff. It stops, and you're dead. But that's not true with me. Why? Scientists say my blood is different. My red cells are elongated. Yours are round. Maybe that's what makes the difference. This proves I'm designed for the desert, or the desert is designed for me. Did you ever hear of a design without a Designer?
After I find a water hole, I'll drink for about ten minutes and my skinny body starts to change almost immediately. In that short time my body fills out nicely, I don't look skinny anymore, and I gain back the 227 pounds I lost. Even though I lose a lot of water on the desert, my body conserves it too. Way in the beginning when my intelligent Engineer made me, He gave me a specially designed nose that saves water. When I exhale, I don't lose much. My nose traps that warm, moist air from my lungs and absorbs it in my nasal membranes. Tiny blood vessels in those membranes take that back into my blood. How's that for a recycling system? Pretty cool, isn't it. It works because my nose is cool. My cool nose changes that warm moisture in the air from my lungs into water.
But how does my nose get cool? I breath in hot dry desert air, and it goes through my wet nasal passages. This produces a cooling effect, and my nose stays as much as 18 degrees cooler than the rest of my body.
I love to travel the beautiful sand dunes. It's really quite easy, because my Creator gave me specially engineered sand shoes for feet. My hooves are wide, and they get even wider when I step on them. Each foot has two long, bony toes with tough, leathery skin between, My soles are a little like webbed feet. They won't let me wink into the soft, drifting sand. This is good, because often my master wants me to carry him one hundred miles across the desert in just one day. (I troop about ten miles per hour.)
Sometimes a big windstorm comes out of nowhere, bringing flying sand with it. My Master Designer put special muscles in my nostrils that close the openings, keeping sand out of my nose but still allowing me enough air to breathe.
My eyelashes arch down over my eyes like screens, keeping the sand and sun out but still letting me see clearly. If a grain of sand slips through and gets in my eye, the Creator took care of that too. He gave me an inner eyelid that automatically wipes the sand off my eyeball just like a windshield wiper.
Some people think I'm conceited because I always walk around with my head held high and my nose in the air. But that's just because of the way I'm made. My eyebrows are so thick and bushy I have to hold my head high to peek out from underneath them. I'm glad I have them though. They shade my eyes from the bright sun.
Desert people depend on me for many things. Not only am I their best form of transportation, but I'm also their grocery store. Mrs. Camel gives very rich milk that people make into butter and cheese. I shed my thick fur coat once a year, and that can be woven into cloth. A few young camels are used for beef, but I don't like to talk about that.
For a long time we camels have been called the "ships of the desert" because of the way we sway from side to side when we trot. Some of our riders get seasick. I sway from side to side because of the way my legs work. Both legs on one side move forward at the same time, elevating that side. My "left, right left, right" motion makes my rider feel like he is in a rocking chair going sideways.
When I was six months old, special knee pads started to grow on my front legs. The intelligent Creator knew I had to have them. They help me lower my 1000 pounds to the ground. If I didn't have them, my knees would soon become sore and infected, and I could never lie down. I'd die of exhaustion. By the way, I don't get thick knee pads because I fall on my knees. I fall on my knees because I already have these tough pads. Someone very great thought of me and knew I needed them. He designed them into my genes.
It's real difficult for me to understand how some people say I evolved into what I now am. I'm very technical, highly engineered dromedary camel. Things like me don't just happen. They're planned on a drawing board by Someone very brilliant, Someone very logical.
John 1:1 says, "In the beginning was the Word. And the Word was with God, and the Word was God." The Word means "logical, intelligent One."
Verse 3 says, "All things were made by him and without him was not anything made that was made."
Who was the Word? Look at verse 14. "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory."
Who was made all flesh? The Lord Jesus Christ, the Word who created everything, including the dromedary camel.
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Post by in on Jul 3, 2006 23:17:39 GMT -5
Perpetuating falsehoods is not evil? in the eyes of whom?
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Post by jxr on Jul 4, 2006 7:22:07 GMT -5
Ah, you relativist.
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Post by Evolution on Jul 4, 2006 9:04:34 GMT -5
Don't you believe in evolution? Don't you believe that God commanded the sea to bring forth life? Doesn't it say that birds came out of the ocean? How? - via the evolution of the the fish, then the amphibian, then the reptile, then the dinosaur, and then the bird. Wonderful how the authors of Genesis knew this, isn't it?
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Post by WELL on Jul 4, 2006 16:29:42 GMT -5
Ah, you relativist. Well in the eyes of whom?
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Post by pegasus on Jul 4, 2006 19:12:23 GMT -5
Science says: show me and I shall believe. God says: believe me and I shall show you. A teacher asked a schoolgirl if she could proof that God exists he would give her an apple. Well, she answered the teacher, if he could proof that God didn't exist, she would give him two apples.
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Post by the on Jul 4, 2006 20:21:40 GMT -5
Science says: show me and I shall believe. God says: believe me and I shall show you. A teacher asked a schoolgirl if she could proof that God exists he would give her an apple. Well, she answered the teacher, if he could proof that God didn't exist, she would give him two apples. the proof being in the apple ;D
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Post by jxr on Jul 5, 2006 21:51:32 GMT -5
Ah, you relativist. Well in the eyes of whom? And:
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Post by just me on Jul 9, 2006 13:59:20 GMT -5
I think its a cool story and it doesnt really matter if its a factual account or not.
The story could be completely made up or it could be a compilation of many different events, again it DOESNT MATTER.
The fact is that story is a pretty good explanation using logic of why its TRUE that GOD did create everything, and explains why there is evil.
From other quotes I have seen attributed to Einstien, I believe that he most probably believed in GOD, whether he was a "believer" or not only GOD knows for sure, so as far as that goes, the above sounds like it could have come from him.
I dont see the relevence of the 1st Timothy verse to this discussion, as the above is NOT an old wives tale or myth ( in the biblical sense )
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