Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2011 8:13:56 GMT -5
Well, here are the first quotes for 2011.
Most hilarious quote.
Funniest quotes.
Particularly vicious quotes.
Most disingenuous quote.
Best unsubstantiated quotes.
Best Cognitive dissonance quote
Unanswered questions.
(recall that WE are accused of not being able to answer questions!)
Funniest winners to date:
• Mr. Wm. Irvine is the Standard
• "Preaching of the cross?" Few workers do that and even those who do hardly touch on the subject.
• (There are)many indirect references to Jesus in meetings - that I found strange because why the avoidance of using his actual name.
• Try to convince an outsider that workers don't really have homes when they spend so much time on the convention grounds
• I don't think our particular form of doing church is anywhere to be found in Acts.
• Last big change in U.S. that I heard was no more praying into the chairs.
• (re definition of the “narrow way”) A narrow way, so narrow every person must walk it one at a time. No loving God would decree that people be stoned for any reason.
• The F&Ws have all the latest devices so they no longer have a "competitive advantage" on the supposed holiness that comes from not having a TV.
• It looks like people like to still have a sort of priesthood. That is an old notion that has stayed with us. A notion likely, again, preserved by the Catholic Church and handed to the protestants. So the workers hung on to it also.
• re ownership of a TV) … inspired jealousy in those who did not possess such things. Jealousy, the green eyed monster is what needed preaching against and not every novel item of technology. IMO.
• It would seem in the Christian dimension there are workaholics, and there are graceaholics. The workaholics work themselves to death and then receive their reward, the graceaholics chill by the pool with a cold one, and receive the same reward.
• Try to get a worker or much less an overseer to leave conventions to go and help one person. I have tried. I get the same response with several overseers. "Too busy"
• When a senior worker asserted that King James English is "honorific English" it seemed best to leave him in his ignorance
• I think one thing I did not learn while in the fellowship and that was the desperate need to pray that God would increase my faith in Jesus Christ
• A worker once said to me "our usefulness is in fitting in". That could be said for any dictatorship.
• The Joe average six pack worker lives a double life.
• Most 2x2s wouldn't stop to help like the Samaritan did -- it would make them late for gospel meeting
• 2x2 sister workers are too homely to attract mates
• Workers asked us to trade bedrooms because they felt ours was warmer than theirs.
• It's unfortunate that we have to rely on the hymns to keep Jesus in the meetings.
• What God has preserved in our Bible hardly compares to what a few people have researched about the church history
• peasants in South America who brought bread in from the fields to meetings, which was far richer and more wholesome than the workers got from their (King James's) bibles
• I get frustrated when I hear preachers begging for money to support themselves and the missions abroad
• Newsflash! Jesus was God; the word made flesh. Workers are just, well...workers.
• Workers over here back in the 60's believed they were Jesus in the 20th century. After all, he was only a man....and well...so are we !
• Seems like I remember there is a worker that owns some oil wells in Texas.
• The fact that the original 12 didn't go out 2x2 probably explains why there is no evidence that 2x2 was part of the Acts of the Apostles.
• I submit they (workers) are referring to their choice to be celibate ministers is what gives them their alleged special revelation and authority.
• I would imagine that skipping gospel meetings is sending a pretty strong message to some of the workers. If people aren't willing to go listen to the same ol' same ol', it won't be long before the homes open to them becomes fewer also.
• … facing one's fear with positive views/input is the way to overcome the false guilt that the professing woman's uniform has instilled in many women.
• It seems to me that the friends steer clear of scriptural discussions as they subconsciously realise that they will be out of their depth…
• We have heard different accounts of how dogs wouldn't bark when saints enter the meeting home
• I have personally attended many, hundreds, of gospel meetings where Christ was not mentioned at all.
• I know some women who wouldn’t shave under their arms without asking the workers permission first.
• Forcing children to eat is considered part of breaking their wills and teaching them to submit to parental authority. If they refuse or cannot, the workers view it as rebellion.
• They (the women) submit to the men of the group who tend to wear dark-colored clothes and carry black-covered King James Versions of the Bible.
• I think that fear of reprisal is a big reason for the turnout (at convention)
• Wasn't Willie Irvine a coal miner before he found the mother lode in the pockets of his followers?
• Yes, the 2x2's will continue. But in the end.....one will be left, the other taken.
• Workers drown cats.
• The 2x2 copy and paste bible is not in my library anymore.
• The fact is the more I focus on Christ, the less I go to the gospel meetings because I really don't hear about Him there. The more I focus on Jesus the less I want to go to Sunday AM meeting because He isn't the focus He needs to be.
• I suggested (to a worker) that you can never go wrong preaching about salvation. He looked at me like I had 3 eyeballs and said "that's a subject that would REALLY get me in trouble".
• In our town those who had the intention to get baptized used to get a list of do's and don’ts before they qualify
• (re workers) The friend's bedrooms are safer and more comfortable than the ghettos.
• freedom at last..........no workers peeking in the windows at my TV, or novel, or radio, or curling iron, etc
• The 2x2 church which I became a member of was an organisation. It had an HQ and a mailing address and produced a little book of member's names and telephone numbers
• (Workers live with) those who "open their homes", violating the trust, sanctity, sacred intimacy, and the sacred father and the sacred mother figure.
• After much prayer and meditation, it seemed to me that the one doing the baptism was God. The workers simply held my head in the creek
• In the 1960’s or 1970’s the workers initiated the “quietness program” before the start of meetings.
• 70-something years old elder's wife quipped to our overseer, "Oh - pish! Do you think we women can't tell when a man has a hard-on through his jeans? Where is the modesty there?"
• Professing ladies' buns fall down in car accidents.
• Professing people deceive and advocate deceit when they pretend they drink alcohol by carrying round a half empty glass.
• New people coming to gospel meetings who endure off-key mournful singing are hardly going to view that "difference" as Godly, perhaps the opposite
• One person wasn't accepted into the work because of his teeth.
• 84 year old lady upset in confrontation with a worker for having family pictures instead of worker pictures on her piano.
• As a kid it embarrassed me that men carried their bibles and hymn books in handbags to Sunday meetings.
• Some are groomed to be workers because they may not be able to get real jobs or are too ugly to find a mate.
• Workers criticise clergy for wearing clerical garb but we see so many brother workers wearing tight, grey cardigans.
• In the olden days, the workers would have crashed a party on Saturday night.
• Professing boy streaked at the football game
• The workers do not claim to be "penniless." They were to get their money out of the "mouths of the fish they caught."
• I wanted to rip my clothes off and go outside to enjoy the day that God gave than sit in dressy clothes around a dining room table talking about workers.
• These days Workers delay baptising teenagers to show the youth who is boss.
• Workers don’t raise the dead.
• In my 2x2 childhood cracking your knuckles was pure evil.
• A 2x2 child was told that black people are the curse of Ham for looking at Noah
• A Worker or Overseer said some ladies leaving a church wearing pant suits were surely going to hell
• Membership of the 2x2 way has increased only slightly or started to decline because God only requires 144,000 souls.
• Workers have cell phones. Jesus doesn't have a phone. You can just talk right to Him anytime, any place
• Friend was told to pray for his former wife’s death rather than bother the workers with requests to remarry
• If you only need a building just once a year then your church is not very blessed by God.
• In recent times TV is okay by all accounts and watched in holes by workers.
• Professing lady stepped over her husband's body (not professing) to go to Sunday meeting
• Workers prevent people from bursting forth in the Holy Spirit by restricting their time to give testimonies.
Best cognitive dissonance quotes to date:
• One way to enhance the value of an object is to make it a limited edition (or distribution, in this case). Perhaps that is the reason. (re “Why are convention speaking lists so “secretive”)
• The fellowship needs to encourage young people to enter by thanking workers when they leave.
• … exclusivity amongst the overseers is probably not an elephant in the room because it is the sacred cow.
• They never told me that the truth fellowship went back to the shores of Galilee. Of course it can be argued that they never told me it didn't, so therefore perpetuated a lie.
• the abomination is not in what they wear. It says what they do is the abomination.
• No Godly spirit has a spirit of criticism.
• The church in the home, and the preacher without a home" is not what saves us. Salvation is knowing God the Father and his son Jesus Christ, hearing and obeying God's word.
• "The true church" is not in the Bible.
• I don't care for Bert's lists very much because it seems like he uses them to degrade people.
• William Irvine founded the F&W's sect upon the Matthew 10 principle. Some other Christian churches are founded upon the chief corner stone, Jesus Christ
• The vast majority of what you see as contradictions are not. They are merely two separate true statements sitting side by side.
• If workers preached Jesus only then it wouldn't matter about the history (of Irvine).
• And there is a lot of bare leg and cleavage. Young women are quite sexy, which I don't think Christians of any denomination would approve of.
• It was Paul and not the BIBLE who said what he said about woman's subjection and several other things related to women.
• It's amazing how many people will try to live solely by the bible, and ignore what's been written on our hearts.
• George Peterson said Mary wrapped Jesus in swaddling clothing to deprive him of his human nature.
• (Regards copying the example of the New Testament church) A copy is a counterfeit. I prefer the real thing.
• (In reply to “Workers often ask the friends to have brief testimonies”) and this is another way workers show they are more important than everyone else because they don't have to condense their thoughts to fit into 1 or 2 minutes.
• There was a high level of sell about going into the work. Single people were targeted with the message of considering the noblest thing in life… To not consider going into the work, if you were young and single, was almost tantamount to going against God's will for your life… A quite subtle recruiting campaign …
• The only way that the worker way cares about the inside of a person is that they have to make themselves meek, child-like, willing, with a soft heart, all of which means being open to conforming to the worker rules and then they call this conforming the work of God on a person's life.
• God does not do religion
• God wants me to look like the world except modest to show a difference by His Spirit, not by outward appearance.
• Just because a pastor gets paid doesn't make him a hireling.
• Workers should never talk about what is wasting time if they are not prepared to offer lots of activities that makes time productive.
• With a Sunday meeting, a Wednesday meeting and two gospel meetings the friends don't have a chance to let the spirit of Christ work.
• I sometimes spoke about my disbelief in the trinity in the meeting. The workers warned me to believe in the trinity or go, so I went.
• Convention buildings and land belong to the workers. But it is not on a deed so therefore there is no tracing of it.
• They are stupid in wanting proof for what is clearly hearsay against them.
• Being ignorant of secret happenings within 2x2ism is a form of evidence there is something secret going on.
• Every member is aware of the suppression system, but part of being 'faithful', is denying that you are aware of it.
• The Bible says few find eternal life and this lead some of the 2x2’s to believe they are in the “narrow way” because they are few in number.
Most revealing quotes.
• Irvine founded the organization, not the method.
• The preaching of the workers was entertainment. These days, TV and movies are more entertaining
• Perhaps Jesus erred in pushing the Messiah idea...or perhaps his disciples so admired him that they erred in pushing the Messiah title upon him.
• If you take your doctrine only from the New Testament, your doctrine is going to be incomplete.
• There are lots of examples of Luke's imagination gone wild, but I confess it's the crazy impossibilities of Acts that taints my view of Luke as much as anything.
• Paul's invention, I think we can agree, was more radical than Irvine's.
• Anything that diminishes love is ungodly and deceitful -- including the hopeless religious attempts of bible-toter's to build and maintain love on the foundation of a marriage certificate
• God in the Old Testament did not have a great track record with the physical side of things.
• Several books of the bible seem to have been written under the influence of some sort of hallucinogenic.
• The flawed premise states that the 1st century church is the perfect pattern which is to be emulated in all details for all time. This is one of the primary fundamentals of the F&W church.
• 2x2's can be as wicked as they want to be when they get on the internet boards and don’t have to show respect.
Most hilarious quote.
One meeting that I had been a part of was like this- it was considered wrong to be happy… Some old school workers and friends still preach and teach that being happy is a sign of something wrong in your service to the Lord. Alexander
Funniest quotes.
I can't for the life of me know why the 2X2's want to leave Jesus out of their gospel! Sharonw
Couples were discouraged from getting to chummy with one another / to much socializing (joint vacations) etc. as to be lead into temptation. W.Tell
Just heard from this D&R lady who was told by the workers she will never be able to take part in test. & emblems and will go to an lost eternity unless she separates from her husband. W.Tell
But the F&W take pride in not celebrating the birth of Christ on this day as "this is what the worldly churches do" Such a self righteous view!! Spiders
Couples were discouraged from getting to chummy with one another / to much socializing (joint vacations) etc. as to be lead into temptation. W.Tell
Just heard from this D&R lady who was told by the workers she will never be able to take part in test. & emblems and will go to an lost eternity unless she separates from her husband. W.Tell
But the F&W take pride in not celebrating the birth of Christ on this day as "this is what the worldly churches do" Such a self righteous view!! Spiders
Particularly vicious quotes.
Sometimes I feel for the poor workers who feel the need to figure out if someone is ready to profess or be baptised. I think such stress eats on them until a full blown nervous breakdown is likely. SharonW
Christmas special mtgs. WERE to keep the 2X2's busy during a long holiday...also the workers couldn't do much mission work, so gave them something to do. Sharonw
It would seem most logical for Eldon to have been buried at the head of this row (as the first to be buried at the ranch) but instead he is set apart and exclusive--even within this very exclusive cemetery. How interesting for such a "humble" man....Chirkham
… we had a whole car load of workers come to visit us but only for a meal. Sharonw
Christmas special mtgs. WERE to keep the 2X2's busy during a long holiday...also the workers couldn't do much mission work, so gave them something to do. Sharonw
It would seem most logical for Eldon to have been buried at the head of this row (as the first to be buried at the ranch) but instead he is set apart and exclusive--even within this very exclusive cemetery. How interesting for such a "humble" man....Chirkham
… we had a whole car load of workers come to visit us but only for a meal. Sharonw
Most disingenuous quote.
(Bert) I have been arduously doing the math on this "Plus" and so far I have:
23% of Matthew's Gospel … 20% of Mark's Gospel… 26% of Luke's Gospel (and) 8% of John's Gospel is concerned with works.
(RAM) Well whatever "works" best Bert. In fact one of the chapters I have in mind is to do with "works." I have discovered that: 77% of Matthew's gospel… 80% of Mark's gospel…74% of Luke's gospel (and) 92% of John's gospel has nothing to do with works.
23% of Matthew's Gospel … 20% of Mark's Gospel… 26% of Luke's Gospel (and) 8% of John's Gospel is concerned with works.
(RAM) Well whatever "works" best Bert. In fact one of the chapters I have in mind is to do with "works." I have discovered that: 77% of Matthew's gospel… 80% of Mark's gospel…74% of Luke's gospel (and) 92% of John's gospel has nothing to do with works.
Best unsubstantiated quotes.
Different overseers do things differently and yet deny that there is any regional differences among "God's people". Seen it all. Been there and done that. Shiloh
Baptism is tightly controlled, often based on some subjective legalism. Clearday
The Victoria era goes from the time of Queen Victoria 1837 to 1901…and i remember very clearly hearing with regard to dress, that the way never changes. Believer
Some of the fashions of the times, especially for women, became symbols of righteousness for the fellowship. Ram
What was culture in one time period and locality becomes DOCTRINE in another time period and locality some years later. As if it has always been that way and always should be that way. And some people are afraid to change lest they lose their soul over going against the older ones who have gone on now. Shiloh
Baptism is tightly controlled, often based on some subjective legalism. Clearday
The Victoria era goes from the time of Queen Victoria 1837 to 1901…and i remember very clearly hearing with regard to dress, that the way never changes. Believer
Some of the fashions of the times, especially for women, became symbols of righteousness for the fellowship. Ram
What was culture in one time period and locality becomes DOCTRINE in another time period and locality some years later. As if it has always been that way and always should be that way. And some people are afraid to change lest they lose their soul over going against the older ones who have gone on now. Shiloh
Best Cognitive dissonance quote
The belief in purgatory was not changed, but was only further defined at later dates. StAnne
Unanswered questions.
(recall that WE are accused of not being able to answer questions!)
pa1ag1, I hear a couple of abusers are now exes. How many exes are child abusers?
(Re There is nothing in the scriptures that even parallels the concept of professing. So, in my thinking, it is a step that the 2x2's have added to the Gospel (which means it isn't the true Gospel)
Pauper,
can you tell me:
what those first Gentile Christians did in the course of their service?
what do we do which isn't scriptural?
and what you do that is?
Shiloh,
what makes you think you gained the approval of the workers by tattling on other people?
regards this statement of yours, “Victorian dress code.”
Do you know anything about the Victorian Era?
Do you know what a “stereotype” is?
Do you know what the scripture says about mockery; mocking and mockers?
According to what part of the 64 years of the Victorian Era do we dress?
In your mind do our men wear top hats; stockings; frockcoats; cravats and breaches?
In your mind do our ladies expose their shoulders; tighten their midriffs; squeeze out their bosoms; wear white gloves; cage frame dresses; fine laced Engageantes; silk flowers; pleated gauze trims and bonnets?
Do you know what any of these terms mean?
Why Victorian era, say, and not Edwardian or Elizabethan era?
How could Irvine decree women dress Victorian style, yet decry the fashions of the Victorian world?
Do you expect any sort of dress standard yourself? Or for that matter, any standards of any sort at all?
Can you elaborate on what exactly are "Victorian traditions"?
Can you specify what church traditions you hold to, and when these traditions were first invented?
Why DO people on the TMB largely ignore the principles of the First Church?
Sharon,
Do you believe that the people who gave us the term "trinity" also gave us the:
selling of relics (ie bones) of saints
selling of indulgences (paying your way to heaven)
crusades
pogroms against Jews
forcible conversion or murder of heathen and pagans
enormous temporal powers and wealth?
and
Those who believe in the trinity often say you can't understand God unless you accept this bizarre trinity concoction. Given the above, does this make sense?
Cherie Kropp
Is Kropp your first husband's name? If so, why keep it?
Can you fill us in on some of your schooling, family etc..
Why does your mother say she had to "fight for the right" to attend (convention)?
maintained any friendship with them once they were out of the truth?
If so, who are they?
Do you keep in touch with Ilylo?
Who is this Malcolm Smith that GIC refers to?
Why did you write "no comment" when I asked for information about the authors of the anti-2x2 books and websites, yet publish private information and hurtful things about 2x2's?
is Kathleen Lewis still on-line? I would like to get in touch with her, and hear her story too.
Can you give me the address of Grace Luxon?
Where can I source pictures of these people?
Can you email a recent picture of yourself?
Assuming you haven’t already done so, would you like to create a short testimonial for our site? And also, to be scrupulously and openly honest: what is the friend’s testimonial of you? What is THEIR side of the story?
Now, it could be that this material is already on your website, in which case could you direct me to it, thanks!
Be nice to hear of your testimony (forgive me if you haven't already written one on your website - if so, please direct me to it.)
where you were raised
something about your childhood
religious convictions at that time
time spend in meetings
reason for leaving
what you thought of others
what others thought of you
your divorce
your experiences since leaving
I reviewed your website
www.tellingthetruth.info/bible_topics/ministry.php
Concerning this statement, “Did the Disciples and Apostles Really Go 2x2 in the New Testament Church Era?”
The text at the bottom of this page states, "Condemnation without Investigation is Ignorance."
And in the spirit of your text I didn’t condemn this text, but investigated it.
There’s a 100 hours of investigation here: Is there any possibility of your entering the results of my investigation on your site? And if not, do you have any statement, which can be carried on my own site, as to why not?
(Re There is nothing in the scriptures that even parallels the concept of professing. So, in my thinking, it is a step that the 2x2's have added to the Gospel (which means it isn't the true Gospel)
Pauper,
can you tell me:
what those first Gentile Christians did in the course of their service?
what do we do which isn't scriptural?
and what you do that is?
Shiloh,
what makes you think you gained the approval of the workers by tattling on other people?
regards this statement of yours, “Victorian dress code.”
Do you know anything about the Victorian Era?
Do you know what a “stereotype” is?
Do you know what the scripture says about mockery; mocking and mockers?
According to what part of the 64 years of the Victorian Era do we dress?
In your mind do our men wear top hats; stockings; frockcoats; cravats and breaches?
In your mind do our ladies expose their shoulders; tighten their midriffs; squeeze out their bosoms; wear white gloves; cage frame dresses; fine laced Engageantes; silk flowers; pleated gauze trims and bonnets?
Do you know what any of these terms mean?
Why Victorian era, say, and not Edwardian or Elizabethan era?
How could Irvine decree women dress Victorian style, yet decry the fashions of the Victorian world?
Do you expect any sort of dress standard yourself? Or for that matter, any standards of any sort at all?
Can you elaborate on what exactly are "Victorian traditions"?
Can you specify what church traditions you hold to, and when these traditions were first invented?
Why DO people on the TMB largely ignore the principles of the First Church?
Sharon,
Do you believe that the people who gave us the term "trinity" also gave us the:
selling of relics (ie bones) of saints
selling of indulgences (paying your way to heaven)
crusades
pogroms against Jews
forcible conversion or murder of heathen and pagans
enormous temporal powers and wealth?
and
Those who believe in the trinity often say you can't understand God unless you accept this bizarre trinity concoction. Given the above, does this make sense?
Cherie Kropp
Is Kropp your first husband's name? If so, why keep it?
Can you fill us in on some of your schooling, family etc..
Why does your mother say she had to "fight for the right" to attend (convention)?
maintained any friendship with them once they were out of the truth?
If so, who are they?
Do you keep in touch with Ilylo?
Who is this Malcolm Smith that GIC refers to?
Why did you write "no comment" when I asked for information about the authors of the anti-2x2 books and websites, yet publish private information and hurtful things about 2x2's?
is Kathleen Lewis still on-line? I would like to get in touch with her, and hear her story too.
Can you give me the address of Grace Luxon?
Where can I source pictures of these people?
Can you email a recent picture of yourself?
Assuming you haven’t already done so, would you like to create a short testimonial for our site? And also, to be scrupulously and openly honest: what is the friend’s testimonial of you? What is THEIR side of the story?
Now, it could be that this material is already on your website, in which case could you direct me to it, thanks!
Be nice to hear of your testimony (forgive me if you haven't already written one on your website - if so, please direct me to it.)
where you were raised
something about your childhood
religious convictions at that time
time spend in meetings
reason for leaving
what you thought of others
what others thought of you
your divorce
your experiences since leaving
I reviewed your website
www.tellingthetruth.info/bible_topics/ministry.php
Concerning this statement, “Did the Disciples and Apostles Really Go 2x2 in the New Testament Church Era?”
The text at the bottom of this page states, "Condemnation without Investigation is Ignorance."
And in the spirit of your text I didn’t condemn this text, but investigated it.
There’s a 100 hours of investigation here: Is there any possibility of your entering the results of my investigation on your site? And if not, do you have any statement, which can be carried on my own site, as to why not?
Funniest winners to date:
• Mr. Wm. Irvine is the Standard
• "Preaching of the cross?" Few workers do that and even those who do hardly touch on the subject.
• (There are)many indirect references to Jesus in meetings - that I found strange because why the avoidance of using his actual name.
• Try to convince an outsider that workers don't really have homes when they spend so much time on the convention grounds
• I don't think our particular form of doing church is anywhere to be found in Acts.
• Last big change in U.S. that I heard was no more praying into the chairs.
• (re definition of the “narrow way”) A narrow way, so narrow every person must walk it one at a time. No loving God would decree that people be stoned for any reason.
• The F&Ws have all the latest devices so they no longer have a "competitive advantage" on the supposed holiness that comes from not having a TV.
• It looks like people like to still have a sort of priesthood. That is an old notion that has stayed with us. A notion likely, again, preserved by the Catholic Church and handed to the protestants. So the workers hung on to it also.
• re ownership of a TV) … inspired jealousy in those who did not possess such things. Jealousy, the green eyed monster is what needed preaching against and not every novel item of technology. IMO.
• It would seem in the Christian dimension there are workaholics, and there are graceaholics. The workaholics work themselves to death and then receive their reward, the graceaholics chill by the pool with a cold one, and receive the same reward.
• Try to get a worker or much less an overseer to leave conventions to go and help one person. I have tried. I get the same response with several overseers. "Too busy"
• When a senior worker asserted that King James English is "honorific English" it seemed best to leave him in his ignorance
• I think one thing I did not learn while in the fellowship and that was the desperate need to pray that God would increase my faith in Jesus Christ
• A worker once said to me "our usefulness is in fitting in". That could be said for any dictatorship.
• The Joe average six pack worker lives a double life.
• Most 2x2s wouldn't stop to help like the Samaritan did -- it would make them late for gospel meeting
• 2x2 sister workers are too homely to attract mates
• Workers asked us to trade bedrooms because they felt ours was warmer than theirs.
• It's unfortunate that we have to rely on the hymns to keep Jesus in the meetings.
• What God has preserved in our Bible hardly compares to what a few people have researched about the church history
• peasants in South America who brought bread in from the fields to meetings, which was far richer and more wholesome than the workers got from their (King James's) bibles
• I get frustrated when I hear preachers begging for money to support themselves and the missions abroad
• Newsflash! Jesus was God; the word made flesh. Workers are just, well...workers.
• Workers over here back in the 60's believed they were Jesus in the 20th century. After all, he was only a man....and well...so are we !
• Seems like I remember there is a worker that owns some oil wells in Texas.
• The fact that the original 12 didn't go out 2x2 probably explains why there is no evidence that 2x2 was part of the Acts of the Apostles.
• I submit they (workers) are referring to their choice to be celibate ministers is what gives them their alleged special revelation and authority.
• I would imagine that skipping gospel meetings is sending a pretty strong message to some of the workers. If people aren't willing to go listen to the same ol' same ol', it won't be long before the homes open to them becomes fewer also.
• … facing one's fear with positive views/input is the way to overcome the false guilt that the professing woman's uniform has instilled in many women.
• It seems to me that the friends steer clear of scriptural discussions as they subconsciously realise that they will be out of their depth…
• We have heard different accounts of how dogs wouldn't bark when saints enter the meeting home
• I have personally attended many, hundreds, of gospel meetings where Christ was not mentioned at all.
• I know some women who wouldn’t shave under their arms without asking the workers permission first.
• Forcing children to eat is considered part of breaking their wills and teaching them to submit to parental authority. If they refuse or cannot, the workers view it as rebellion.
• They (the women) submit to the men of the group who tend to wear dark-colored clothes and carry black-covered King James Versions of the Bible.
• I think that fear of reprisal is a big reason for the turnout (at convention)
• Wasn't Willie Irvine a coal miner before he found the mother lode in the pockets of his followers?
• Yes, the 2x2's will continue. But in the end.....one will be left, the other taken.
• Workers drown cats.
• The 2x2 copy and paste bible is not in my library anymore.
• The fact is the more I focus on Christ, the less I go to the gospel meetings because I really don't hear about Him there. The more I focus on Jesus the less I want to go to Sunday AM meeting because He isn't the focus He needs to be.
• I suggested (to a worker) that you can never go wrong preaching about salvation. He looked at me like I had 3 eyeballs and said "that's a subject that would REALLY get me in trouble".
• In our town those who had the intention to get baptized used to get a list of do's and don’ts before they qualify
• (re workers) The friend's bedrooms are safer and more comfortable than the ghettos.
• freedom at last..........no workers peeking in the windows at my TV, or novel, or radio, or curling iron, etc
• The 2x2 church which I became a member of was an organisation. It had an HQ and a mailing address and produced a little book of member's names and telephone numbers
• (Workers live with) those who "open their homes", violating the trust, sanctity, sacred intimacy, and the sacred father and the sacred mother figure.
• After much prayer and meditation, it seemed to me that the one doing the baptism was God. The workers simply held my head in the creek
• In the 1960’s or 1970’s the workers initiated the “quietness program” before the start of meetings.
• 70-something years old elder's wife quipped to our overseer, "Oh - pish! Do you think we women can't tell when a man has a hard-on through his jeans? Where is the modesty there?"
• Professing ladies' buns fall down in car accidents.
• Professing people deceive and advocate deceit when they pretend they drink alcohol by carrying round a half empty glass.
• New people coming to gospel meetings who endure off-key mournful singing are hardly going to view that "difference" as Godly, perhaps the opposite
• One person wasn't accepted into the work because of his teeth.
• 84 year old lady upset in confrontation with a worker for having family pictures instead of worker pictures on her piano.
• As a kid it embarrassed me that men carried their bibles and hymn books in handbags to Sunday meetings.
• Some are groomed to be workers because they may not be able to get real jobs or are too ugly to find a mate.
• Workers criticise clergy for wearing clerical garb but we see so many brother workers wearing tight, grey cardigans.
• In the olden days, the workers would have crashed a party on Saturday night.
• Professing boy streaked at the football game
• The workers do not claim to be "penniless." They were to get their money out of the "mouths of the fish they caught."
• I wanted to rip my clothes off and go outside to enjoy the day that God gave than sit in dressy clothes around a dining room table talking about workers.
• These days Workers delay baptising teenagers to show the youth who is boss.
• Workers don’t raise the dead.
• In my 2x2 childhood cracking your knuckles was pure evil.
• A 2x2 child was told that black people are the curse of Ham for looking at Noah
• A Worker or Overseer said some ladies leaving a church wearing pant suits were surely going to hell
• Membership of the 2x2 way has increased only slightly or started to decline because God only requires 144,000 souls.
• Workers have cell phones. Jesus doesn't have a phone. You can just talk right to Him anytime, any place
• Friend was told to pray for his former wife’s death rather than bother the workers with requests to remarry
• If you only need a building just once a year then your church is not very blessed by God.
• In recent times TV is okay by all accounts and watched in holes by workers.
• Professing lady stepped over her husband's body (not professing) to go to Sunday meeting
• Workers prevent people from bursting forth in the Holy Spirit by restricting their time to give testimonies.
Best cognitive dissonance quotes to date:
• One way to enhance the value of an object is to make it a limited edition (or distribution, in this case). Perhaps that is the reason. (re “Why are convention speaking lists so “secretive”)
• The fellowship needs to encourage young people to enter by thanking workers when they leave.
• … exclusivity amongst the overseers is probably not an elephant in the room because it is the sacred cow.
• They never told me that the truth fellowship went back to the shores of Galilee. Of course it can be argued that they never told me it didn't, so therefore perpetuated a lie.
• the abomination is not in what they wear. It says what they do is the abomination.
• No Godly spirit has a spirit of criticism.
• The church in the home, and the preacher without a home" is not what saves us. Salvation is knowing God the Father and his son Jesus Christ, hearing and obeying God's word.
• "The true church" is not in the Bible.
• I don't care for Bert's lists very much because it seems like he uses them to degrade people.
• William Irvine founded the F&W's sect upon the Matthew 10 principle. Some other Christian churches are founded upon the chief corner stone, Jesus Christ
• The vast majority of what you see as contradictions are not. They are merely two separate true statements sitting side by side.
• If workers preached Jesus only then it wouldn't matter about the history (of Irvine).
• And there is a lot of bare leg and cleavage. Young women are quite sexy, which I don't think Christians of any denomination would approve of.
• It was Paul and not the BIBLE who said what he said about woman's subjection and several other things related to women.
• It's amazing how many people will try to live solely by the bible, and ignore what's been written on our hearts.
• George Peterson said Mary wrapped Jesus in swaddling clothing to deprive him of his human nature.
• (Regards copying the example of the New Testament church) A copy is a counterfeit. I prefer the real thing.
• (In reply to “Workers often ask the friends to have brief testimonies”) and this is another way workers show they are more important than everyone else because they don't have to condense their thoughts to fit into 1 or 2 minutes.
• There was a high level of sell about going into the work. Single people were targeted with the message of considering the noblest thing in life… To not consider going into the work, if you were young and single, was almost tantamount to going against God's will for your life… A quite subtle recruiting campaign …
• The only way that the worker way cares about the inside of a person is that they have to make themselves meek, child-like, willing, with a soft heart, all of which means being open to conforming to the worker rules and then they call this conforming the work of God on a person's life.
• God does not do religion
• God wants me to look like the world except modest to show a difference by His Spirit, not by outward appearance.
• Just because a pastor gets paid doesn't make him a hireling.
• Workers should never talk about what is wasting time if they are not prepared to offer lots of activities that makes time productive.
• With a Sunday meeting, a Wednesday meeting and two gospel meetings the friends don't have a chance to let the spirit of Christ work.
• I sometimes spoke about my disbelief in the trinity in the meeting. The workers warned me to believe in the trinity or go, so I went.
• Convention buildings and land belong to the workers. But it is not on a deed so therefore there is no tracing of it.
• They are stupid in wanting proof for what is clearly hearsay against them.
• Being ignorant of secret happenings within 2x2ism is a form of evidence there is something secret going on.
• Every member is aware of the suppression system, but part of being 'faithful', is denying that you are aware of it.
• The Bible says few find eternal life and this lead some of the 2x2’s to believe they are in the “narrow way” because they are few in number.
Most revealing quotes.
• Irvine founded the organization, not the method.
• The preaching of the workers was entertainment. These days, TV and movies are more entertaining
• Perhaps Jesus erred in pushing the Messiah idea...or perhaps his disciples so admired him that they erred in pushing the Messiah title upon him.
• If you take your doctrine only from the New Testament, your doctrine is going to be incomplete.
• There are lots of examples of Luke's imagination gone wild, but I confess it's the crazy impossibilities of Acts that taints my view of Luke as much as anything.
• Paul's invention, I think we can agree, was more radical than Irvine's.
• Anything that diminishes love is ungodly and deceitful -- including the hopeless religious attempts of bible-toter's to build and maintain love on the foundation of a marriage certificate
• God in the Old Testament did not have a great track record with the physical side of things.
• Several books of the bible seem to have been written under the influence of some sort of hallucinogenic.
• The flawed premise states that the 1st century church is the perfect pattern which is to be emulated in all details for all time. This is one of the primary fundamentals of the F&W church.
• 2x2's can be as wicked as they want to be when they get on the internet boards and don’t have to show respect.