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Post by Interested to hear on Dec 29, 2010 17:22:48 GMT -5
How was convention in Victoria?
Was any worker game enough to stand up on the platform and address the issue of CSA amongst the friends there in a frank and honest manner?
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Post by still at Convention on Jan 1, 2011 19:38:13 GMT -5
Maybe the message from the platform was to avoid the TMB!
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Post by ronhall on Jan 1, 2011 21:28:18 GMT -5
I don't agree that convention time should taken up with addressing the issue of CSA, nor should the message from the platform be to avoid the TMB.
These issues are better broached in a private setting where there is freedom for a back-and-forth discussion rather than a watered down wholesale dressing down.
Some folks are going to receive it easily and go their way. Others will take this very hard and will need time and understanding before they will be satisfied.
No matter how it is handled, the response will not be entirely pretty. To instruct that the friends avoid the TMB will result in just the opposite, in my opinion.
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Post by Interested to hear on Jan 2, 2011 0:23:45 GMT -5
Hi Ron
Just going to state my opinion here - not intended to have a go at you
I think that convention is the appropriate venue to acknowledge there has been a problem. Given that the "quiet discussion" time was going to happen months ago I would assume that most of the friends by now should be aware that there has been a problem.
In the past Victorian Convention platforms have been the place for senior workers to lecture about the evils of television and state unequivocally the "only way" doctrine why not add CSA to the list?
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Post by wonder on Jan 2, 2011 6:25:50 GMT -5
Hi Ron Just going to state my opinion here - not intended to have a go at you I think that convention is the appropriate venue to acknowledge there has been a problem. Given that the "quiet discussion" time was going to happen months ago I would assume that most of the friends by now should be aware that there has been a problem. In the past Victorian Convention platforms have been the place for senior workers to lecture about the evils of television and state unequivocally the "only way" doctrine why not add CSA to the list? |
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Post by wonder on Jan 2, 2011 6:28:49 GMT -5
In the past Victorian Convention platforms have been the place for senior workers to lecture about the evils of television and state unequivocally the "only way" doctrine why not add CSA to the list? oops sorry. I wonder then do workers regard TV as more evil than a worker sexually abusing a child? Ghastly thought. |
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Post by ronhall on Jan 2, 2011 7:30:03 GMT -5
Hi Ron Just going to state my opinion here - not intended to have a go at you I think that convention is the appropriate venue to acknowledge there has been a problem. Given that the "quiet discussion" time was going to happen months ago I would assume that most of the friends by now should be aware that there has been a problem. In the past Victorian Convention platforms have been the place for senior workers to lecture about the evils of television and state unequivocally the "only way" doctrine why not add CSA to the list? Perhaps you are correct. While it is sad that precious convention time should be expended on issues of this nature, history tells us that until such issues are identified and rooted out that no forward progress occurs in God's true way. That characteristic, in fact may be a good indicator as to whether this is God's true way, or not! Other ways can get along just fine with compromised integrity within the ranks and leadership, however God children were stopped in their wilderness journey at each occurrence, if I'm not mistaken. So, perhaps looking at it from that angle, correction of this issue should take precedence. I'm glad I'm not the one who is burdened with making the decision. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2011 7:33:52 GMT -5
How was convention in Victoria? Was any worker game enough to stand up on the platform and address the issue of CSA amongst the friends there in a frank and honest manner? No, sorry. I wasn't there but I can tell you there was no talk about CSA. Nor was there any discussion about Global Warming; the European debt crisis; North Korea or terrorism. And yes, there are ALL very, very important. But had we talked about CSA then you can be sure some here would take that as a sign we weren't interested in Jesus.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2011 8:01:28 GMT -5
Bert, you're spot on correct. Thanks for speaking out on this issue. I mean, what have the workers, especially those in Victoria got to do with global warming, the European debt crisis, North Korea, terrorism OR CSA ?
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Post by wonder on Jan 2, 2011 16:00:57 GMT -5
How was convention in Victoria? Was any worker game enough to stand up on the platform and address the issue of CSA amongst the friends there in a frank and honest manner? No, sorry. I wasn't there but I can tell you there was no talk about CSA. Nor was there any discussion about Global Warming; the European debt crisis; North Korea or terrorism. Bert you are a fool. CSA is a plague amongst Vic/Tas workers, North Korea has nothing to do with the friends fellowship. May I ask, who or what is your god? The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” Your utterances here speak loudly of your idolatry. |
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Post by emmarr75 on Jan 2, 2011 18:58:50 GMT -5
Bert
Global warming was on the platform agenda in Vic about 15 years ago!
Btw - which will do more harm?:
The black sheep who openly and honestly shows they are walking out of step
Or the wolf in sheep's clothing who is out of step and preys on the rest of the flock yet remains disguised
Great cartoon
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Post by cat girl on Jan 3, 2011 1:11:49 GMT -5
I was at Convention for 2 days, no mention of CSA, every one seemed to be "normal", whatever that is. Mostly friendly people I knew, most workers did not mingle as usual, some did. The one message I got was "God is well able." I think we will leave all this is His hands, he will deal with the perpetrators and wipe away all tears for the victims. How great is our God!!!  |
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Post by interested to hear on Jan 3, 2011 6:18:26 GMT -5
Thanks for the feedback Cubby!
Can I just point out to all Victorian friends who choose to read here:
Yes God is a mighty healer!!! He will comfort and wipe our tears away.
Remember too: God also stirs the hearts of his followers to be proactive!
Meanwhile it seems some furious sweeping is happening here. Exactly how big is that rug down in Vic?
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Post by cover up on Jan 3, 2011 18:55:20 GMT -5
Thanks for the feedback Cubby! Can I just point out to all Victorian friends who choose to read here: Yes God is a mighty healer!!! He will comfort and wipe our tears away. Remember too: God also stirs the hearts of his followers to be proactive! Meanwhile it seems some furious sweeping is happening here. Exactly how big is that rug down in Vic? Does anyone know if the workers list for Vic/Tas is out yet? I have heard that a couple of workers from Vic have been sent to Tas for speaking out about the CSA issues. Who is the current overseer in charge down there? There seems to be a lack of effective leadership resulting in things still being swept under that big rug and covered up to make this ministry look good, when in fact it is rotten to the core. They need to sweep themselves out and get someone who can lead with integrity and compassion. |
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Post by DumSpiroSpero on Jan 3, 2011 21:50:00 GMT -5
Please don't think I am being blasphemous - I am not.
Would we leave it for God to deal with it if a worker murdered someone? Or robbed someone? Or raped an old lady? Or drove drunk and crashed their car into someone, maiming or killing them?
No?
Well why should we do that when some are committing despicable evil acts against innocent children? These crimes are as bad as the ones I listed but seem to be continually treated as 'sin' when the are CRIMES of depraved and wicked men. Do not allow this filth to be swept under the rug. God has provided principalities and powers we are to be subject to. Use the tools God has provided to deal with this abhorrent wickedness.
God requires us to act within the bounds of our laws and legal system. That is my firm conviction.
Those who do nothing enable the evildoers.
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Post by NSW workers list on Jan 3, 2011 23:04:03 GMT -5
Thanks for posting the list.
The rumor is David Saunders is needed back in Vic. Maybe NSW could spare Robert Doecke?
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2012 20:50:39 GMT -5
DS is the only worker who admitted he made a mistake in handling an issue in the Kingdom. I think he was a child of a single mom so I guess in a way he is more compassionate than some.
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Post by catgirl on May 30, 2012 20:58:33 GMT -5
DS is the only worker who admitted he made a mistake in handling an issue in the Kingdom. I think he was a child of a single mom so I guess in a way he is more compassionate than some. DS was not the child of a single Mum. His family consists of 2 brothers, 2 sisters and 2 parents, very nice "normal" professing people. |
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Post by fred on May 30, 2012 22:22:19 GMT -5
Thanks for posting the list. The rumor is David Saunders is needed back in Vic. Maybe NSW could spare Robert Doecke? NSW really can't spare any senior brothers - too many of our best are either overseas or in SA. Robert doesn't appear to hanker after a top job though he has plenty of charisma - making hard decisions is not his forte. David is one of the most compassionate and kind workers I have known, so we don't want to lose him. Why not get Allan K or Ian T over from SA? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2012 15:04:09 GMT -5
That's right. His mom was a child of a single parent. I stand corrected.
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Post by DumSpiroSpero on Jun 8, 2012 20:20:19 GMT -5
Thanks for posting the list. The rumor is David Saunders is needed back in Vic. Maybe NSW could spare Robert Doecke? NSW really can't spare any senior brothers - too many of our best are either overseas or in SA. Robert doesn't appear to hanker after a top job though he has plenty of charisma - making hard decisions is not his forte. David is one of the most compassionate and kind workers I have known, so we don't want to lose him. Why not get Allan K or Ian T over from SA? Amen fred - David is a decent, compassionate, understanding man. His former work was with Victorian Police in fingerprinting (David told me this himself). He is one of the good ones, and much respected by the younger generation. |
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