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Post by Simple on Jun 23, 2005 9:16:02 GMT -5
How can the workers not see there "God's Only True Servants" mantra is pure vanity?
There is endless scripture warning of such talk and thoughts. Also the consequences of following these self exalted ones to their cushy little kingdom.
"I would like breakfast at 8AM sharp."
"Just treat me the way you would treat Jesus", it really does work for them. Blind people love to worship other blind people.
Their Gospel meetings are more like a 2x2(worker) sales pitch then a chance to worship God in spirit and Truth.
They are sometimes subtle about it but their message is....validate me and my(our) beliefs and you will get to heaven,............(if your faith is in them)
God made Jesus completely sufficient for our sacrifice.
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Post by What on Jun 23, 2005 9:18:36 GMT -5
How can the workers not see there "God's Only True Servants" mantra is pure vanity? There is endless scripture warning of such talk and thoughts. Also the consequences of following these self exalted ones to their cushy little kingdom. "I would like breakfast at 8AM sharp." "Just treat me the way you would treat Jesus", it really does work for them. Blind people love to worship other blind people. Their Gospel meetings are more like a 2x2(worker) sales pitch then a chance to worship God in spirit and Truth. They are sometimes subtle about it but their message is....validate me and my(our) beliefs and you will get to heaven,............(if your faith is in them)God made Jesus completely sufficient for our sacrifice. What are you doing in this post? Sameo Sameo
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Post by another fault finder on Jun 23, 2005 9:25:39 GMT -5
thanks for picking faults some more, good to know we human, too.
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Post by Simple on Jun 23, 2005 9:29:18 GMT -5
How can the workers not see there "God's Only True Servants" mantra is pure vanity? What are you doing in this post? Sameo Sameo Pointing away from the workers, where so many are looking. (Obviously, I am not pointing to myself. ) God excepts no substitutes ;D
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Post by What Again on Jun 23, 2005 10:17:35 GMT -5
How can the workers not see there "God's Only True Servants" mantra is pure vanity? What are you doing in this post? Sameo Sameo Pointing away from the workers, where so many are looking. (Obviously, I am not pointing to myself. ) God excepts no substitutes ;D What Again. What are you saying? That You have something more right then "They" "Their" mind-set. By using "they" their" "Validate Me" in context with your statement "How can the workers not see there "God's Only True Servants" mantra is pure vanity?"; You are saying "I" "Me" know something better with is also vanity. Who are you? What makes your opinion right? You are just as vain. Sameo Sameo
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Post by Carly Simon on Jun 23, 2005 10:33:45 GMT -5
and you probably think this song is about you
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Post by Simple on Jun 23, 2005 11:50:33 GMT -5
Pointing away from the workers, where so many are looking. (Obviously, I am not pointing to myself. ) God excepts no substitutes ;D What Again. What are you saying? That You have something more right then "They" "Their" mind-set. By using "they" their" "Validate Me" in context with your statement "How can the workers not see there "God's Only True Servants" mantra is pure vanity?"; You are saying "I" "Me" know something better with is also vanity. Who are you? What makes your opinion right? You are just as vain. Sameo Sameo I got my Truth from God, not the workers. Not "The Clan of the 2x2's". Believe it or Not !!
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Post by timber on Jun 23, 2005 12:38:26 GMT -5
to Simple Guest:
I think that you may be generalizing in terms of the workers. Many feel that they are actually serving. I have had the experience of having a worker drive my kids to karate lessons, rake my lawn in the fall, personally care for my Dad in the hospital when he was dying from cancer, etc. Sure, I have had the experience of workers who want to be waited on hand and foot and don't seem to have any interest in discussing spiritual matters, but then I have had workers over who have encouraged me greatly in spiritual matters, including one, who could quote many very helpful verses from the Psalms by memory..
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Post by Simple on Jun 23, 2005 13:44:18 GMT -5
to Simple Guest: I think that you may be generalizing in terms of the workers. Many feel that they are actually serving. I have had the experience of having a worker drive my kids to karate lessons, rake my lawn in the fall, personally care for my Dad in the hospital when he was dying from cancer, etc. Sure, I have had the experience of workers who want to be waited on hand and foot and don't seem to have any interest in discussing spiritual matters, but then I have had workers over who have encouraged me greatly in spiritual matters, including one, who could quote many very helpful verses from the Psalms by memory.. Okay, I do use a broad brush. They are people, so were the Pharisee's. The Pharisees probably looked pretty good and worthy too. Striving to be good and do the right things, for the right reasons, but they did not know God. They had pride in themselves and compared themselves favorably to others. How often do humans see that their value to God and their value to other humans are completely different things. The pressure the workers applied to me to clean up my act if I wanted to be baptized really was inescapably tragic. A different scale than what God uses. I was good enough for God(thanks to Jesus)but not worthy of the 2x2's. Like all of us, they need to find the Pharisee in themselves before they mislead others into believing some of their "innocent lies", about how other Christians aren't real Christians. I do not feel bad about taking pot shots at them all day long. They have been doing it to other Christians since they started their little sect. It is a way of life for them. Bearing witness to themselvesGod knows who his children are, not the workers. It is a dangerous "vain" doctrine they insist on standing by. So be it, if they want to stake your and their lives on who they are. Lets see if it floats?
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Post by yoda on Jun 23, 2005 14:01:31 GMT -5
Lead you to the dark side, vanity will!! Consume you it will! hhHHMMMmm! ;D
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Post by Simple workers on Nov 12, 2005 18:31:56 GMT -5
Perhaps "Simple" is a worker and speaking from a worker's perspective.................? A little discouraged, disheartened.............perhaps with a system that does have some flaws............no one sees the faults like someone who has been there............ to realise that workers are human, just like everyone else in the world and they are sinners, also. Pray for them. They have a hard standard to uphold, but God hears all our prayers, even prayers for workers. God Bless them. They need all the help that comes their way. Pray for them.
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Post by prayhard on Nov 13, 2005 22:02:23 GMT -5
Yes, pray for them that they will discard preaching and teaching such false doctrine such as Jesus NOT being God, the legalisms of buns and appearance and the belief that they are the truth and the life...
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Post by To simple on Nov 14, 2005 5:01:03 GMT -5
to Simple Guest: I think that you may be generalizing in terms of the workers. Many feel that they are actually serving. I have had the experience of having a worker drive my kids to karate lessons, rake my lawn in the fall, personally care for my Dad in the hospital when he was dying from cancer, etc. Sure, I have had the experience of workers who want to be waited on hand and foot and don't seem to have any interest in discussing spiritual matters, but then I have had workers over who have encouraged me greatly in spiritual matters, including one, who could quote many very helpful verses from the Psalms by memory.. Okay, I do use a broad brush. They are people, so were the Pharisee's. The Pharisees probably looked pretty good and worthy too. Striving to be good and do the right things, for the right reasons, but they did not know God. They had pride in themselves and compared themselves favorably to others. How often do humans see that their value to God and their value to other humans are completely different things. The pressure the workers applied to me to clean up my act if I wanted to be baptized really was inescapably tragic. A different scale than what God uses. I was good enough for God(thanks to Jesus)but not worthy of the 2x2's. Like all of us, they need to find the Pharisee in themselves before they mislead others into believing some of their "innocent lies", about how other Christians aren't real Christians. I do not feel bad about taking pot shots at them all day long. They have been doing it to other Christians since they started their little sect. It is a way of life for them. Bearing witness to themselvesGod knows who his children are, not the workers. It is a dangerous "vain" doctrine they insist on standing by. So be it, if they want to stake your and their lives on who they are. Lets see if it floats?Simple you must be very perfect, or very "simple." Who made you a judge over anybody? Sometimes we can see all that is wrong in others but we fail to see our own faults; and you are no exception, you are the same Pharisee. Take pot shots all day at workers, but be very careful not to get hit by a ricochet.
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Post by Howard on Nov 14, 2005 12:39:04 GMT -5
Yes, pray for them that they will discard preaching and teaching such false doctrine such as Jesus NOT being God, the legalisms of buns and appearance and the belief that they are the truth and the life... Dear Prayhard: With your unique and dedicated ability to see through the faults of the Worker's Church and my unsurpassed (choke) enlightenment concerning the shortcomings (Catechims) of the Catholic Organization, we might consider teaming up (buddies?) to resolve the resultant deception that these two giants wreak upon this world. To do so would save the world from the wicked one (not me) and we might just gain enough status (or ridicule) to become so wellknown (or shot at) in the Christian circles of Theology that our insights and recommendations (aka "slander") would be sought by other bible forum discussion boards. You should consider me for the position as your co-worker (bad term..sorry) because of my qualifications (handicaps) as a born and raised 2x2 of third generation decent, my natural good looks and charming disposition, my way with words and experience in corect usseage of th Amerikan langeage, blah blah blah ........ On the other hand (Randy Travis), the bible says that pure religion (no salt added) is visiting the widows and caring for orphans (assumably human...no deer or raccoons)and keeping ourselves unstained by the world ...James 1:27. I assume this means to stay away from stained Workers and Pedophile Priests, but I may be wrong (first time for everything). Sooooo....if you know an orphan that needs a visit, I know a widow or two that I'm willing to contact (with wife's permission of course) and we can be on our way towards bringing light to a lost world. Ya game? Howard P.S. I'm also a poet
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Post by I wonder on Nov 14, 2005 13:10:30 GMT -5
Maybe "Simple" was or is a worker...........
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Post by ClayRandall on Nov 14, 2005 13:10:39 GMT -5
Dear Prayhard: With your unique and dedicated ability to see through the faults of the Worker's Church and my unsurpassed (choke) enlightenment concerning the shortcomings (Catechims) of the Catholic Organization, we might consider teaming up (buddies?) to resolve the resultant deception that these two giants wreak upon this world. No one is immune from vanity, including those who have determined that they alone are right and that those groups they disagree with what they choose to believe "wreak deception" on the world. The extremes of self-absorption and arrogance can cloud one's judgment without their knowledge and lead to such ridiculous contradictory statements like Catholics can be saved "in spite of" being part of a giant that wreaks deception on the world - the same clouded judgment that makes one think that the Truth Fellowship is a "giant" in the first place. To do so would save the world from the wicked one (not me) and we might just gain enough status (or ridicule) to become so wellknown (or shot at) in the Christian circles of Theology that our insights and recommendations (aka "slander") would be sought by other bible forum discussion boards. Gosh, that would be a change. Normally Howard just provides his anti-Catholic slander without even being asked... On the other hand (Randy Travis), the bible says that pure religion (no salt added) is visiting the widows and caring for orphans (assumably human...no deer or raccoons)and keeping ourselves unstained by the world ...James 1:27. I assume this means to stay away from stained Workers and Pedophile Priests, but I may be wrong (first time for everything). I think it also includes making a conscious effort to avoid scandal-mongering, which is what Howard's continual references to "pedophile priests" is. Sooooo....if you know an orphan that needs a visit, I know a widow or two that I'm willing to contact (with wife's permission of course) and we can be on our way towards bringing light to a lost world. On the subject of unsolicited opinions, here's mine: Showing up at the occasional church to play a few Christian songs and then going home would be, for me, an extremely unsatisfying exercise empty of any real spiritual depth and relationship with God. Hanging around on Message Boards for what appears to be the sole purpose of antagonizing Catholics would be even more pathetic.
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Post by Howard on Nov 14, 2005 13:32:34 GMT -5
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Post by prayhard on Nov 14, 2005 13:41:36 GMT -5
Howard, kind friend,
Just stick to the Bible and you can't go wrong. We should all be studying it, not just reading it. God is very specific in that His son, Christ, (who is God - Himself - manifest in the flesh) and is the only way, the truth and the life.
For those that want to ridicule you or me for standing on that truth - I hope they keep it coming....it only fuels my passion for Christ and makes me strive to know Him more and spend time with Him more - which entails praying for THEM. His word does not change and He is the final judge, redeemer, Savior and "WAY" to eternal life. Him and Him, alone.....Praise to Him forever.
I really do not give a rip what others think about my opposition to the 2x2 ministry. It is not the souls I am against - it is the false doctrine that is taught. I will continue to oppose it fervently.
Thank you for the co-worker request....(how cute is that....) but you and I are already linked through the spiritual lineage of Jesus, as we are sons/daughters of the Divine Almighty who created us and all mankind in His image. I'm the King's kid and so are you.
Never forget that He loves you and will guide you.
Blessings and love.
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Post by Howard on Nov 14, 2005 13:47:55 GMT -5
Ah, Sister, you really know how to humble a person.
Thanks for the blessings; and to you also.
Howard
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Post by Howard on Nov 14, 2005 13:59:18 GMT -5
Clay,
You forgot to mention my poetic endorsements.
Are you hankerin' for one already?
Howard
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Post by ClayRandall on Nov 14, 2005 15:51:54 GMT -5
Where's your sense of humor, Doc? Howard Although Howard is neither funny nor clever, I'm always inwardly amused by lightweights who equate honest disagreement or intellectual debate with incessant misrepresentations and statements meant only to inflame. After he does that, and I respond, he can begin mewling about "personal attacks" as if he'd scored cheap points in an argument that only he wanted to have (for all the wrong reasons). I just wish he would stop pretending that he gives a darn about the eternal destiny of Catholics and just admit that he gets some kind of cheap thrill out ouf his pathetic attempts to annoy me. I say again, there are people on this board who vigorously oppose what I believe without behaving has Howard does. Furthermore, many other people have found his elementary school level discourse tiresome and have asked him to stop in the name of Christian charity. He refuses to do so. Despite all of his self-righteous whining about "personal attacks" and "sarcasm", that speaks for itself...
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Post by Church of the Harlot on Nov 14, 2005 16:00:33 GMT -5
Other people on this board who vigorously oppose what Clay believes are not willing to take the personal attacks to which Clay resorts shortly after discussions begin regarding the disgusting doctrine he believes. Many people here are thinking exactly as Howard only they don't voice their thoughts. Bravo for Howard not being a coward and speaking up against the heinous doctrines of the mother harlot of churches.
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Post by gregleeinnd on Nov 14, 2005 16:02:00 GMT -5
Other people on this board who vigorously oppose what Clay believes are not willing to take the personal attacks to which Clay resorts shortly after discussions begin regarding the disgusting doctrine he believes. Many people here are thinking exactly as Howard only they don't voice their thoughts. Bravo for Howard not being a coward and speaking up against the heinous doctrines of the mother harlot of churches. Writing in third person, Howard?
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Post by ClayRandall on Nov 14, 2005 16:44:46 GMT -5
Other people on this board who vigorously oppose what Clay believes are not willing to take the personal attacks to which Clay resorts shortly after discussions begin regarding the disgusting doctrine he believes. Many people here are thinking exactly as Howard only they don't voice their thoughts. Bravo for Howard not being a coward and speaking up against the heinous doctrines of the mother harlot of churches. Did it ever occur to you that saying things like "disgusting doctrine", "heinous doctrine" and "mother harlot" might be just a wee bit offensive to Catholics? I've been on the internet for a very long time dealing with people who disagree with Catholicism. There are charitable and intellectually honest disagreements, and then there's what you see here...
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Post by cornsilk on Nov 14, 2005 16:45:05 GMT -5
Just what i was thinking Greg!!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2005 17:55:50 GMT -5
Clay, I feel compelled to apologize for any ungracious words or expressions posted here, be they mine or anyone else's regarding the RCC or any other belief, denomination, sect or cult. As you say it is possible to disagree intellectually without insults, sarcasm or ridicule.
In my opinion, when I've been or am guilty of such, I simply do not know how to disagree graciously. To me it is sad to perceive how we, as humans, seem to think we are quite witty, appearing to remain totally unaware how sarcasm and unkind words actually appear to others.
The human nature always seems to want to respond in kind, even when it is unwise to do so. Often it just requires moving on, considering the source when grace eludes any of us in our prideful flesh. Is there any of us who don't grow older far to quickly and wiser far too slowly? Perhaps some, but I havn't.
When unware of our own dependancy upon GOD's grace, is it no wonder we find it difficult to extend what we would receive so freely just as freely to others? What I write I apply to myself as much as any other, for there likely is little another fails in that I have/do not also to a more or lesser degree. Surely repentance is a wonderful quality while self-justification is opposingly attrocious.
Kindest regards to all...
Dennis Jacobsen
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Post by Howard on Nov 14, 2005 19:38:13 GMT -5
Writing in third person, Howard? Nope, I don't respond to myself on the board, but then you've been wrong before. Now look how you've misled little Miss Corny.
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Post by ClayRandall on Nov 15, 2005 8:20:02 GMT -5
Dennis,
I agree with what you've said; however, being a human with the usual human failings, I've run out of patience with people like Howard. I continue to vacillate between the urge to ignore his slander and the desire to hold him accountable for it.
I would do well to heed your wise words, but it's a constant inward struggle for me...
peace be with you.
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