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Post by think about it on Jul 1, 2006 12:28:06 GMT -5
We never locked our cars. Professing people are usually trustworthy people. Good people. They aren't the only ones going to heaven as God's church crosses denominational lines and boundaries. You won't find a nicer bunch of people than the "professing friends". But you don't have to be a part of their church to be saved even if some of them will tell you differently. They are a good people for the most part . Workers do stress clean and moral living.
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Post by know of wrong on Jul 1, 2006 16:26:06 GMT -5
Some of us could tell you incidents that would curl your hair. Sex crimes committed by friends and workers and between saints and workers. Tax crimes, traffic crimes, shop lifting, lying, people are people; people that go to meeting are not above criminal, devient, abusive behavior.
Most people are on good behavior when in pubic, like at convention. It is when they get home, behind closed doors that their true colors are shown.
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Post by glad you brought that up on Jul 1, 2006 17:09:49 GMT -5
Some of us could tell you incidents that would curl your hair. Sex crimes committed by friends and workers and between saints and workers. Tax crimes, traffic crimes, shop lifting, lying, people are people; people that go to meeting are not above criminal, devient, abusive behavior.Most people are on good behavior when in pubic, like at convention. It is when they get home, behind closed doors that their true colors are shown.
So what are you saying? You are the one that keeps track of all the dirt on everyone? What does this prove? Mostly that you have no forgiveness, not much love, and without those things you have no hope of finding a place in Heaven with God. You may think this is stupid, but you are the one that needs to do the forgiving. The poison is in you. If God forgave them because they repented of their wrong and you are still throwing it around, you are the one out in the front of everyone doing the wrong. You are judging who is worthy and who is not. That is God's place not yours. Salvation is all about accepting Christ sacrifice for our soul, and he said that if you don't forgive, you will not be forgiven. I hope you think about this. It doesn't mean going around and appoligising to eveyone you bashed, it means in your heart you can see them thru the Blood of the Lamb as God sees them. Clean and pure.
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Post by nitro on Jul 1, 2006 17:34:09 GMT -5
Does forgiving mean forgetting? Many people believe that to forgive someone they must first be willing to forget. By this they mean that they must be able to dismiss from their memory the painful events that caused a break in their relationship. In other words, they need to pretend that nothing bad ever happened. Simply trying to forget the wrongs that are done against us is like spray-painting a rusty old car. It seems like an easy solution at first, but eventually the rust breaks through and the problem is worse than before. Well-meaning Christians often support the "forgive and forget" model of forgiveness by appealing to God's forgiveness, as in Jeremiah 31:34. In their view, this text means that forgetting precedes forgiving. They say that if we don't forget, we can't forgive. There is a sense, of course, in which God "forgets" our sins. Once He has forgiven us, He will never use them as evidence against us. But the all-knowing Creator can't forget things in the way that we do. Data can be erased from a computer's magnetic memory, human recollections can be obliterated by time and disability, but all of history is constantly before His gaze. From eternity to eternity, God is the same. The divine Author of Scripture caused the sins of Jacob, Moses, David, Peter, and Paul to be recorded for our benefit. He hasn't forgotten their sins in a historical sense, but they will never be used as grounds for condemnation. It is our sin's debt -- the rightful wages of our sin -- that God "forgets." God doesn't expect us to wipe the sins of others from our memory. In fact, we probably won't be able to, no matter how hard we try. He certainly wouldn't want us to pretend that we have forgotten things we can't forget. What He desires is that we forgive sins committed against us (Matthew 6:14-15) the way He forgives our much greater sins against Him (Matthew 18:23-35). It takes greater forgiveness to forgive a grievance that we remember clearly than to forgive a grievance that we have partially forgotten. Merely ignoring our memory of a grievance isn't forgiveness, it's only suppression of anger. Genuine forgiveness, like God's forgiveness, clearly sees the offense and then forgives it by withdrawing the penalty and continuing the relationship. It's natural to deal with our anger by suppressing our memory of an offense, but it's supernatural to remember it clearly and renounce our right to revenge. Revenge must be left in the hands of the only One who is always objective and just (Romans 12:19-21). Problem is history has a way of repeating it self. We had a Worker in our state that at convention gave out bags of candy to us kids. I even remember the brand. www.candyfavorites.com/shop/brachs.aspAll flavors. What a surprise when this worker was caught exposing himself at a truck stop and to make matters worse this was not his first time. After the first time he was just moved to the next state. Forgiven for his sins was it worth putting children in this mans presents . I don't think so
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Post by selah on Jul 1, 2006 18:01:35 GMT -5
I'm not certain that genuine forgiveness always includes continuing a relationship. There are instances when one can freely forgive, but can never subject themselves to abuse again.
Forgiveness means we choose to release any ill feelings we have toward our offender. It does not mean they are suddenly trustworthy again. It does not require us to trust again, although in many cases we can and do.
Blessings, Linda
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Post by glad you brought that up on Jul 1, 2006 18:30:27 GMT -5
Selah & Nitro,
I don't believe that forgiving means forgetting and acting as if nothing has happened. I do think forgiveness is that we don't think bad of a person when their name comes up or we see them, and we don't do as this poster is doing, bringing it up before others reminding them of a persons past... that is the devils job, and he is good at it.
Forgiving I feel is more for our own soul and the effect that it has on it if we don't, than for the other person. They don't know the condition of our heart, but we do and God does..
Maybe this person isn't naming names, but he is bringing it before others and that is in my book a sin in it's self. Just my opinion.
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Post by nitro on Jul 1, 2006 20:52:20 GMT -5
Selah & Nitro, we don't think bad of a person when their name comes up or we see them and we don't do as this poster is doing, bringing it up before others reminding them of a persons past... that is the devils job, and he is good at it. Forgiving I feel is more for our own soul and the effect that it has on it if we don't, than for the other person. They don't know the condition of our heart, but we do and God does.. Maybe this person isn't naming names, but he is bringing it before others and that is in my book a sin in it's self. Just my opinion.
If this is a sin than let the Grace of God forgive me! If I find out someone moves in next to me and is a child molester I will warn other familys. Also on-line predators who seek out little girls. Keeping your silence can cripple,hurt,and kill a child. And no its not up to the devil it's up to us to protect our children. www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11103248
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2006 23:07:29 GMT -5
I am actually Daisys BF, but this dialogue makes me curious, so I want to ask a few questions. 1 why is an outward *good appearance* so important to people in this religion? I have heard stories, I know that this religion is as full of sinners as my local bar, I certainly know that there are people inside who will steal etc. But to me that is not a criticism at all so 2 why do you take it negatively? I was raised to believe that the church is a hospital for sinners, not a hotel for saints. People in this seem to think sinners don't belong in the church, that it is a place for the saints to hang out congratulating themselves on how good they are. I find your church skewed, don't think I would be interested in it.
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Post by consequences on Jul 1, 2006 23:08:05 GMT -5
We never locked our cars. Professing people are usually trustworthy people. Good people. They aren't the only ones going to heaven as God's church crosses denominational lines and boundaries. You won't find a nicer bunch of people than the "professing friends". But you don't have to be a part of their church to be saved even if some of them will tell you differently. They are a good people for the most part . Workers do stress clean and moral living. And what about the professing people that are not trustworthy people. Is it right to sweep not niceness under the carpet? David had to live with the consequence of his sin with Bathsheba. The professing molester/thief/liar has to live with the consequences of his/her behavior too. The worker that nitro mentioned (not by name) and not only will they live with the consequences-THEIR VICTIMS WILL TOO. (many victims without counseling because "we" have to forgive the molester for their sin)
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Post by Bert on Jul 2, 2006 5:00:33 GMT -5
So let me get this straight, "know of wrong" You know of some wrong done by people in the truth: If you care to read your bible there is a story about people who brought someone to Jesus who had done wrong, and he acted as if he didn't hear them. There is an OT passage which refers to the deaf and dumb messager, who won't hear of accusations, or repeat them. You clearly, Mr/Miss/Mrs anynomous "know of wrong" apparently like to keep your ears and your mouthwide open. For what purpose? To justify where you now find yourself? Some of the errant people you mentioned will get their act together, and others might join you on this TruthMeeting board. It is nice to know you are without sin Bert
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Post by glad you brought that up on Jul 2, 2006 5:56:15 GMT -5
There is a huge difference in posting trash, to stir trouble, and making sure there is protection from those who could be victims.
As said above by myself in agreement with others, forgetting doesn't always come with forgiveness. I don't believe trusting does either.
But that doesn't mean we stand around at gatherings and keep bringing it up talking about it, and posting that it is always there keeping it out in front of everybody.
Anyone that I have met that does that has serious problems. They need to seek help.
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Post by interested guest on Jul 2, 2006 10:11:12 GMT -5
There is also a difference between repentant/changed and continuing in sin.
A person that has repented of sin and leaves it behind. Bravo! Let it lie.........
BUT in the case of repeat offenders-a case where a worker is moved to a different area and continues errant behavior-that is wrong and such needs to be stopped. The elder that molested women for over 20 years should never have been tolerated. The professing father that sexually/physically misuses his children/grandchildren/relatives. And no, I'm not talking about the RCC. I'm talking about workers, elders, saints of the 2 x 2 belief system.
There are a number of people (workers included) that post/read on these boards that are victims of abuse from the hands of "professing" people. Sticking your head in the sand only allows the perp. to continue the deviant behavior.
As to the title of the thread-there are deviant people in all places. There is nothing more special about the friends and workers-you don't see/hear about their deviant behavior because often it is swept under the carpet, leaving the victim to bear the reproach.
"You clearly, Mr/Miss/Mrs anynomous "know of wrong" apparently like to keep your ears and your mouthwide open. For what purpose? To justify where you now find yourself? Some of the errant people you mentioned will get their act together, and others might join you on this TruthMeeting board.
It is nice to know you are without sin Bert"
And Bert, notice that I did not name names. I did not name fields or countries. I did not name workers. Your high-handed attitude is unwarranted. And speaking of anonymous-who are you?
All of us are sinners. When sin is made known to us, repent, and sin no more........that hasn't always been the case-and it is those cases that need to be dealt with rather than ignoring it or moving the worker.
Sin doesn't go away-until there is true repentance and strength given from God.
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Post by bowhunter on Jul 2, 2006 19:42:17 GMT -5
We never locked our cars. Professing people are usually trustworthy people. Good people. They aren't the only ones going to heaven as God's church crosses denominational lines and boundaries. You won't find a nicer bunch of people than the "professing friends". But you don't have to be a part of their church to be saved even if some of them will tell you differently. They are a good people for the most part . Workers do stress clean and moral living. I always locked my truck at convention-it was next to a fairly busy hiway, no security patrol-anyone could have slipped in and stolen,vandalized,etc.I never felt that my stuff was safe just because I was at conv.It wasn't the friends I locked out-just the possible vandals.(Maybe I'm paranoid but it seemed like common sense to me.) As far as the F/W being the nicest?I find that most folks are kind and honest-the F/W people don't have a monopoly on that. Most pastors also stress clean and moral living.
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Post by withopeneyes (Mandy) on Jul 2, 2006 20:38:18 GMT -5
There are a lot of nice professing people. But there are a lot of deceptive professing people as well. I have seen this first hand... and its very disappointing. Usually, some of the most dishonest professing people are the ones who think they are the highest of the high.
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Post by Nice Try on Jul 3, 2006 6:08:19 GMT -5
withopeneyes. nice try. read your newspaper or watch your televison. most of the deviants, thieves, murderers and troublemakers come from some faith or have some religious ideas. what church have you joined now, and how honest are they? i find the worst people on this truthmeeting board think they are the highest of the high.
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Post by jxr on Jul 3, 2006 6:16:34 GMT -5
Not locking cars, eh? As pre-teens, we had fun by turning peoples radios on full blast, along with their windscreen wipers. A hoot, come time for folks to leave.
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Post by to JXR on Jul 3, 2006 6:58:40 GMT -5
... another one Saved By Grace ...
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jus lil ol me again
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Post by jus lil ol me again on Jul 7, 2006 22:39:44 GMT -5
I dont lock my vehicle in my driveway
I DO lock my vehicle at work or the store or at Church.
It isnt the people IN the service I am thinking about, that I do not trust, its the people who are NOT at church that I dont trust.
Remember people:
"Lifes not fair and people SUCK!!!!!! "
and I are one so I should know
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Post by withopeneyes (Mandy) on Jul 8, 2006 20:15:14 GMT -5
"nice try".
I thought I replied to this, but I guess it didn't post (or maybe was deleted, although I dont know why).
I'm not disagreeing with you at all... so I'm wondering if you misunderstood my post. Basically, my point was that, in every religion there are those who aren't completely honest (and some that aren't honest at all).... even in the 2x2 way.
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Post by prokoff on Jul 8, 2006 22:29:00 GMT -5
You are completely wrong "jus lil". Life is completely fair, and people only suck if you're level of spirituallity is equal to the "sucky" people. Karma....ensures that all things in life are fair. If life...or other people suck....you need to work on your spiritual being, and you will find that you only suck as much as the next person, and that whatever karmic hand of cards past karma has dealt you...you need to play your cards with love...not to beat out an opponent, but to rid yourself of the last of the cards in your hand....there you will find bliss, and an end to the games of ego, strife, and competition.
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jus lil ol me again
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Post by jus lil ol me again on Jul 9, 2006 13:43:54 GMT -5
um uh yea, ok
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Post by webster on Jul 13, 2006 19:00:19 GMT -5
never lock your car during convention, huh?
here's a peek into how stupid that can be!
a few years ago, a professing woman (an elder's wife, mind you) would allow her young teenage son to leave the meeting. a few minutes later she would leave too. he would stand guard while she went into sister workers quarters, rifled through their belongings, and took money from them. i never heard how much money was taken but it was told it was substantial.
so, even though professing people are 'nice', it doesn't mean they are honest.
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Post by realitycheck on Jul 13, 2006 22:50:12 GMT -5
Studies show that pedophiles do not get rehabilitated (the recidivism rate is incredibly high) - I don't care who the person is or how sorry they are they should not be around unattended children. Forget, trust? NOT ON YOU LIFE! That someone would have the audacity to sweep that under the carpet and send the person on to unsuspecting peole makes the sender as guilty as the perp when it happens again, which it will. Having worked in childrens services I promise you that you don't want to know the hideous things that happen to children.
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Post by Simple on Jul 13, 2006 22:53:59 GMT -5
You are completely wrong "jus lil". Life is completely fair, and people only suck if you're level of spirituallity is equal to the "sucky" people. Karma....ensures that all things in life are fair. If life...or other people suck....you need to work on your spiritual being, and you will find that you only suck as much as the next person, and that whatever karmic hand of cards past karma has dealt you...you need to play your cards with love...not to beat out an opponent, but to rid yourself of the last of the cards in your hand....there you will find bliss, and an end to the games of ego, strife, and competition. Nice post..............I likey Practical info to help seek the Truth I keep forgeting that !!
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Post by AK on Jul 16, 2006 4:05:57 GMT -5
Someone stole a laptop computer and ai MP3 player from the men's dorm at Wasilla convention this year. It was announced by the head worker at "cocoa break" in the evening. The police were summoned and reports were made. Don't know the outcome of it all...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2006 4:30:45 GMT -5
taking a laptop and mp3 player to convention! scandalous! ;D .....Or was it the workers` dorms
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