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Post by CherieKropp on Jul 28, 2010 22:51:51 GMT -5
What if the workers staff met and reviewed these points on a periodic basis and all newbies went thru such a class before going in the work?
Suggested Guidelines for Periodic "Workers' Sex Education Class"
1. Acknowledgment that we are living in a sex-crazed society where just about "anything goes."
2. Encouragement to study the Scriptures that relate to this matter.
3. Acknowledgment that workers are human and subject to both temptation (natural sexual feelings) and failure.
4. Tactics to help to cope with our fallibility (i.e. "keeping your distance" from those to whom you could potentially be attracted; and keeping physically, mentally, emotionally healthy).
5. Definite statements that "abuse of trust" in any way is unacceptable both in the world and should have zero tolerance among workers.
6. Definition of what is considered abuse, both sexual and otherwise (verbal, emotional), including the category of behaviors that could even be perceived by onlookers as abuse.
7. Discussion of the laws of the land stating the proper procedures for an individual to take in the case of suspected abuse (i.e. reporting to proper authorities).
8. Knowledge of proper protocol to report suspected abuse.
9. Mandatory training from an agency like ministrysafe.com
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Post by Admin on Jul 29, 2010 0:00:19 GMT -5
Important topic to discuss, and thanks for the excellent suggestions to kick it off Cherie.
Are there any workers or ex-workers who have views?
It's not a subject to be shy over. Goodness, all us non-workers are desperately aware of our own temptations and humanity. With that in mind, you should see us all - friends and ex-friends alike - very sympathetic to the struggles of workers in these matters.
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Post by rational on Jul 29, 2010 12:58:31 GMT -5
What if the workers staff met and reviewed these points on a periodic basis and all newbies went thru such a class before going in the work? Suggested Outline for Periodic "Workers' Sex Education Class"1. Acknowledgment that we are living in a sex-crazed society where just about "anything goes." I would suggest going for reality rather than hysteria. Every generation thinks it is living it an era of depravity. Socrates spoke out against the depravity of the adolescents of his time. Given the status of women and children in the bible I hardly think it is a good source of information on dealing with sexual abuse. A text that suggests that the remedy for rape is for the rapist to marry the raped is hardly a shining light. This seems like an excellent idea but I don't see it happening any more than I see external religious training being a part of worker training. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ In addition to this, since the workers are so close to the families, what about sexual education for the families as well? From the people I have known it seems like a culture of extreme modesty where the human body is view (or actually not viewed!) as an object of shame. You can't count on the schools to educate the children. How many parents know how to teach their children about sexual abuse? How many parents are sexually abusing their children? |
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Post by Alan Vandermyden on Jul 29, 2010 15:09:34 GMT -5
I share much (or all?) of Rational's viewpoints on this.
Additionally, implementing an educational policy goes against some basic, sometimes unspoken tenets of the fellowship:
Workers are assumed to have a "power" from God to live above the world, the flesh, etc.
Workers are assumed to have a special revelation, or "wisdom from above" in handling issues.
I know this is definitely not true, at least in many cases, but it is the source of much of the workers' "authority." To implement education on sexual or other matters would mean challenging these basic assumptions, and thus weakening some of the power.
Having said this, I do feel there are many workers are are honestly trying to help people, and they are a help. I am not implying they are all after power. But it does happen, and in very subtle ways. Those who are truly not after power should be willing to address issues.
We live in a society full of this stuff, and I do not feel like incarcerating more and more people is proving effective. Many people lead very disconnected, meaningless lives, obsessed with accumulating more stuff, or wishing they had the means to accumulate more. I firmly believe judgment always begins right with checking my own values . . .
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Post by electbygrace on Jul 29, 2010 15:45:43 GMT -5
Workers are assumed to have a "power" from God to live above the world, the flesh, etc. Yes well we all have seen how powerful these powers aren't even just in past weeks  |
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Post by Linford Bledsoe on Jul 29, 2010 15:54:58 GMT -5
I like Cherie's approach and suggestions. The important thing is though if these initiatives don't come from the workers themselves,the best suggestions here aren't going to go anywhere. For the workers it has to come from the top down.
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Post by thunder on Dec 29, 2010 2:48:11 GMT -5
It has been addressed and started in some states
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Post by apple on Dec 29, 2010 11:25:43 GMT -5
What if the workers staff met and reviewed these points on a periodic basis and all newbies went thru such a class before going in the work? Suggested Guidelines for Periodic "Workers' Sex Education Class" 3. Acknowledgment that workers are human and subject to both temptation (natural sexual feelings) and failure. 4. Tactics to help to cope with our fallibility (i.e. "keeping your distance" from those to whom you could potentially be attracted; and keeping physically, mentally, emotionally healthy). No worker should feel that he/she must remain single, nor should they feel failure for being attracted to someone.It's human nature, God made us that way for a reason so it's pointless to suppress our feelings. Marriage and having a family would make workers more human and less likely to claim to be equal to Jesus when they wipe bums and sort out fights and pay bills.It certainly worked for one ex-worker I know! |
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Post by JustATransientPassingThru on Dec 30, 2010 20:25:41 GMT -5
No worker should feel that he/she must remain single, nor should they feel failure for being attracted to someone.It's human nature, God made us that way for a reason so it's pointless to suppress our feelings.
Marriage and having a family would make workers more human and less likely to claim to be equal to Jesus. Matthew 19:12
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from [their] mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive [it], let him receive [it]. 1 Corinthians 7:8
8I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. 9But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn. Looks to me like remaining single is admirable, if it's what God plans for one's life...in which case it is not pointless to suppress one's feelings. When one has the urge to, let's say, drink alcohol, and if that person has a personal conviction NOT to drink alcohol...it is human nature. Would you say then that although to drink the alcohol is going against one's convictions, that one should do so anyway regardless of God's will for them...using the excuse that it's human nature to want to drink it, they were made with human nature, and therefore it would be pointless to suppress one's feelings? Likewise for remaining single, or not. If one is convicted of God to remain single, they will of course still have human to nature to contend with.
Romans 7:23
But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Galatians 5:17
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: Human nature does not disappear when one has convictions from God. But to keep true to those convictions, it is imperative that we suppress our feelings.In this case, far be it from you or I to state that the actions taken (or not taken) by another in an effort to do what God would desire of them are "pointless". Surely we agree that something done which will help us gain God's approval is of great worth? I see from some of your other posts that you are one who dresses plainly...because that's your conviction. Others may say that to do so is "pointless", "suppressing your feelings" to dress the way you humanly would desire. Looks like you've been through a lot, though, to come to that decision and it would be sad if there were those who despised your effort to gain God's approval. Let's try to respect the convictions of others, eh? We don't know what experiences each one has gone through to make them who they are, to make them do what they do...so let's not make rash statements declaring their actions "pointless" when really, we have no idea...having not been in their shoes. You said: May I ask where or who you heard stating what I have italicised, that they are equal to Jesus? Matthew 12:36
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Post by Joe Blow on Dec 30, 2010 22:19:33 GMT -5
Curious, Would you believe them if they told you? By your post You just seem to be one of those pompous nay sayers who takes issue with any post not of your liking. And I am nobody hence my handle Joe blow so whatever.
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Post by JustATransientPassingThru on Dec 31, 2010 17:13:15 GMT -5
Curious, Would you believe them if they told you? By your post You just seem to be one of those pompous nay sayers who takes issue with any post not of your liking. And I am nobody hence my handle Joe blow so whatever. Would I believe them? Well, I think that's a pretty broad question, don't you...of course it would depend on their answer. If, for example, they stated that I had once said I was equal to Jesus, I would not believe it because I would know that to be untrue. I seem to be a pompous nay sayer? Curious...do you say this to everybody who states their beliefs? Perhaps you missed out on the fact that this is a discussion board. In a discussion, it's common for each person to state their beliefs, their thoughts on the topic in hand. Ever been part of a discussion where two people refrain from doing so? Makes for dull, unentertaining conversation. I take issue with any post not of (sic) my liking? As this is my first time to post here, having read here for quite some time I would have to say that that is categorically untrue. Seems like my post was not to your liking, and you took issue with it. But then, seems like only pompous nay sayers would do such a thing, so perhaps not? |
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