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Post by shushy on Aug 13, 2008 13:39:29 GMT -5
The Power of God.
The question I need to know is not why you dont believe it is for today.
As disciples of Christ and ministers/workers of the new covenant why would you not want Gods power to flow through you to help and equip others? For God to use you this way?
1 Corinthians 12
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Post by shushy on Sept 2, 2008 0:24:48 GMT -5
I'm sad no one has responded to this question.
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Post by Star Welters on Sept 5, 2008 14:20:08 GMT -5
I'm not a worker but I would submit that the Question assumes a couple of things that may not be correct.
1. That said worker does not believe that the power of God is for today.
2. That said worker does not want God's power to flow through them to help and equip others.
Unless by, "The Power of God" you are referring to sign and miracles of the supernatural kind.
(In my limited Bible knowledge on this subject.) Supernatural signs accompanied certain specific messages and messangers. (Elijah, Jesus, Moses, Peter.)
I think that for today, God's power is evident and pervasive in the opportunites that you have to help your fellow man. It's not the extraordinary but the ordinary actions of ordinary people that God is using to bring about His kingdom.
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Post by shushy on Sept 6, 2008 5:35:15 GMT -5
The Power of God in the Word of God. Where our faith is. The Power of God to bring deliverance/set the captives free/heal the broken hearted/ miracles/signs and wonders. The power of God to do what ever God chooses. Open/available vessels he can use. Are we afraid of God using us?
To me this subject is relevant. The days ahead will be filled with his Glory and Power. Will we recognise him when he begins to move this way?
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Post by Star Welters on Sept 8, 2008 9:32:27 GMT -5
Is that really a question for the worker or to the Christian Church in general?
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Post by shushy on Sept 8, 2008 19:12:15 GMT -5
Nooo, its for workers. This site is about the 2x2's.
Starwelters, sometimes my heart grieves. All my questions are genuine just as I am genuine. It grieves for the body of Christ. There is so much that is available to us as his Children. We use all manner of excuses to deny him. Instead of wanting his fullness and the abundance that he has for us. Our minds are whirlpools of conflict/controls/mindsets and habits all hindering what God could do in and through us. One day when ALL is revealed I think people will be shocked at how much they came under spirits of wickedness in high places.
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Post by Star Welters on Sept 10, 2008 12:15:37 GMT -5
I'm not questioning the genuineness of your question by any means.
I do question, in a broader sense, why this question specifically would be directed toward the workers.
Do 'workers' not believe that the Power of God is for today?
In what ways would you expect the worker's answer differ from anybody else'?
And what do you hope to glean from said answer?
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Post by shushy on Sept 10, 2008 15:48:39 GMT -5
[I'm not questioning the genuineness of your question by any means.]
Thank you.
I left the meetings over 20yrs ago, family and inlaws still in it. The workers are the leaders of this group. they have influence over the people being that they teach them biblical standards, Gods ways and laws. The Word of God. There are also many manmade laws unwritten but spoken. One deep concern is that any Teacher of the Word will be accountable to God for what they teach. I am and have been very conscious of this for a long time now. To me there seem so many restrictions on the people that need not be there. These are not only Gods people but my loved ones.
[Do 'workers' not believe that the Power of God is for today?]
That is what I am asking with no result. I dont want to assume. I know the answers I have had from professing people and that is what they say. Its not for today. It was for the Apostles. I have witnessed the power of God and so something is terribly wrong in my view. These people are missing out.
We are called to train and equip the saints for the work of the ministry?
[In what ways would you expect the worker's answer differ from anybody else'?]
I would expect at the very least to recieve an answer. Out of politeness. I do not fear dialogue, most do who come here. You only need to see how many view the posts. I would hope no worker would be afraid of me at all. I cant hurt them. Im sure they are warned to keep away from here.
[And what do you hope to glean from said answer?]
I can honor honesty and openness. Glean? Nothing I do not already know in my spirit. I would like to hear it though.
Star welters did you ever attend meetings?
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Post by Star Welters on Sept 11, 2008 10:51:01 GMT -5
Star welters did you ever attend meetings? I've been at 3 gospel meetings to date. I enjoyed them all. I love singing the hymns and the talks were insightful, but shallow. |
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Sept 13, 2008 2:00:51 GMT -5
Shushy, perhaps it is because MANY workers (at least around here) have been in preps and are, even now, in convention. I know one is going on (now I think???) and one (my foks attend) next week and then yet another...just in WI...so, I don't think they are snubbing you (as I'm sure you know!!!) but are likely just busy. I bet they get to it eventually.  Hugs, Mich |
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Post by shushy on Sept 13, 2008 11:00:23 GMT -5
Hugs to u mich xx
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Post by hope on Oct 6, 2008 7:05:47 GMT -5
I don't understand why we have gotten away from Child-like faith~
the bible says that GOd is unchanging~~ forever the same
To believe that signs and wonders, the gifts of the spirit are no for today is to deny the very character of God~ why would the God of the miracles in the old testament / new testament not pour out His supernatural spirit today in the same ways described in the book of Acts..
You have to let scripture interpret scripture and no where in the bible does it suggest that God would or will change His personality and character. Jesus himself said that the gifts of the spirit would follow those who believed.
MARK 16:17-18 NKJ
17 "And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues;
18 "they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."
To deny the gift is to call Jesus a liar. Do you think that Jesus would have said this and not warned us that the gift would not continue always if He was going to take them away?
Since living in Asia lately I believe that it is a plague of insensitivity to the spirit the west.. in the west we are so logical and so non-spiritual (compared to less developed countries and Asia) our insensitivity to the Spirit is why it is not manifesting itself in the gifts in many churches. When Jesus went to His home town he performed few miracles because of their disbelief. It is the spirit of disbelief and logic that is suffocating churches in the west. In the less developed countries like Africa or South America the people are not so familiar with Christianity but when they come in contact with it and accept it they accept it whole heartedly because they grew up believing in the spirit world ~ they dont deny the exsistance of demons and angels as very present in our current day.
A friend of mine did missions in Mozambik Africa- He laid hands on the sick and they were healed in Jesus name, one of his fellow missionaries cried and prayed over a dead baby for 45 mins and the baby was revived in the name of Jesus!! He is still here amongst us...~ why do we Deny His power with our logic?? When my missionary friend returned home - he thought he had the gift of healing but God took it away, why? I think because of their disbelief...
He is Faithful, He is here.
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Post by ronhall on Oct 6, 2008 19:45:08 GMT -5
I don't understand why we have gotten away from Child-like faith~ the bible says that GOd is unchanging~~ forever the same To believe that signs and wonders, the gifts of the spirit are no for today is to deny the very character of God~ why would the God of the miracles in the old testament / new testament not pour out His supernatural spirit today in the same ways described in the book of Acts.. You have to let scripture interpret scripture and no where in the bible does it suggest that God would or will change His personality and character. Jesus himself said that the gifts of the spirit would follow those who believed. MARK 16:17-18 NKJ 17 "And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 "they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover." To deny the gift is to call Jesus a liar. Do you think that Jesus would have said this and not warned us that the gift would not continue always if He was going to take them away? Since living in Asia lately I believe that it is a plague of insensitivity to the spirit the west.. in the west we are so logical and so non-spiritual (compared to less developed countries and Asia) our insensitivity to the Spirit is why it is not manifesting itself in the gifts in many churches. When Jesus went to His home town he performed few miracles because of their disbelief. It is the spirit of disbelief and logic that is suffocating churches in the west. In the less developed countries like Africa or South America the people are not so familiar with Christianity but when they come in contact with it and accept it they accept it whole heartedly because they grew up believing in the spirit world ~ they dont deny the exsistance of demons and angels as very present in our current day. A friend of mine did missions in Mozambik Africa- He laid hands on the sick and they were healed in Jesus name, one of his fellow missionaries cried and prayed over a dead baby for 45 mins and the baby was revived in the name of Jesus!! He is still here amongst us...~ why do we Deny His power with our logic?? When my missionary friend returned home - he thought he had the gift of healing but God took it away, why? I think because of their disbelief... He is Faithful, He is here. So am I understanding that, in your opinion, spirituality is illogical? |
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Post by shushy on Oct 7, 2008 4:41:40 GMT -5
I loved your post Hope and agree wholeheartedly with what you said. Unbelief wants facts for everything. Ive seen miracles, and many deliverances and yet people who dont know or havent seen it say it is demonic and not of God. Im believing to see greater signs and wonders and miracles than the bible tells us as the glory of God increases throughout the earth.. People say it is false and not for today. I think its because they havent been taught to be expectant and believe God. Believe God for the impossible. Be shocked and delighted when he comes through.
Would you rather see your families suffer with sickness and curses than believe that God could heal them. Give them new limbs, organs. Why not? He created us.
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Post by hope on Oct 7, 2008 9:26:22 GMT -5
"Attempt Great Things For God ~ Expect Great THings From God"
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Post by jorroo on Mar 6, 2009 7:47:47 GMT -5
Do 'workers' not believe that the Power of God is for today? To Starwelters: This is exactly what she is saying, I asked this exact same question, and got the exact same answer here in South Africa, I recently found out my Father also asked the exact same question years before I did and got the exact same answer... an he was outcast like many of the tragic testimonies we read here, and as for me , I was told all of 20years ago if I left I was going to hell... all the usuall manipulation! I see the manipulation happening all over again now regarding some of my extended family. And yes just like shushy , I also see God manifesting his gifts on many people in the circles I now have the privilege to walk in... And NEVER in a 2x2 meeting... always another interpretation or excuse of some kind to remove the fact that something is wrong! And please I'm not trying to offend anyone, but if our(the exe's) testimony in anyway can make someone sit up and notice that God is so much more than what the 2x2's display! If you're one of those people with this little nagging tug in your heart I urge you to pray to the author of that tugging : Jesus Christ and ask Him to let the scales of deception fall from your eyes! Salvation is the free Gift of God, who predestained Jesus from before time to fullfill all the requirement of the law so that all who call on Him as Saviour can be saved, and God is ABLE and WILLING, this doesn't require ANY work on our part - remember we did not exist before time, and sadly also lest we boast in our own might. We just need to take and APPROPRIATE that gift! This is the joyous message of our predestination in JESUS!!!! |
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Post by jorroo on Mar 6, 2009 8:18:05 GMT -5
So am I understanding that, in your opinion, spirituality is illogical? To Ronhall: What saddens me is : is that all you got out of what hope was saying? And yes if we invert hope's argument yes God is illogical as far as human logic goes! We only need read a few posts on an appologetic site to get a good idea of what modern man thinks of God... God's ways are not our ways, mankind is always striving to fit God into some defineable/logical format I dare say He won't fit! Especially if we start to talk about our thread topic for example laying hands on the sick and them recovering instantly or raising the dead .... is this logical? |
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Hugs, Mich