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Post by iam on Feb 18, 2020 11:39:08 GMT -5
I am totally disagree with you about the workers believe a powerless Gospel.... I have seen the miracle of the 2x2s workers' gospel has done in my own life.... VERY VERY powerful gospel. ...which still pales in comparison to the Gospel we read about in the Bible. Yes it pales, which is why there is so much spiritual sickness and hypocrisy, which was the condition of God's people ("the friends") when He first came ...but it also is as close as I have found to the true gospel in these last times. That's my personal experience. |
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Post by iam on Feb 18, 2020 11:45:23 GMT -5
I wonder if you would reconsider your decision to not post. Perhaps you could talk to some of the workers and you could take turns posting. I am b&r, never professed. I remain (I hope) respectful to this day. I enjoyed your answers. I may not have always agreed with them, but that is ok. I sincerely looked forward to your posts. I think it is most helpful, interesting, and informative to have you posting here. I urge you to speak to your colleagues. It would be really nice to have a worker to ask questions of. I think, though I am not trying to speak for others, that most ex's, active 2x2's, and my category who frequent this board would like to hear how workers weigh in on things. I think it is helpful. I have observed often workers that would not even consider anything helpful from anyone else that isn't a worker, or that is a worker underneath their seniority. Too much ego and that isn't about to change. Christ in us has always been and will always be, persecuted, suppressed, censored, rejected by the chief priests and rulers and Pharisees and elders of and in the truth like it always has been with the true prophets and apostles. It's nothing new. |
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Post by iam on Feb 18, 2020 12:04:44 GMT -5
These are three related questions for anyone to answer, but I would specifically like to know how the workers feel about this. I am asking these questions, since they are often at the heart of what causes "professing" people to leave the fellowship. All thoughtful and respectful comments are appreciated. Question #1Do you believe that God has equipped workers with special revelation into understanding the scripture for the purpose of teaching/preaching/leading other believers? Question #2Is it possible that one of the friends could have a more accurate understanding of the scripture than the workers? Question #3If the answer to Question 2 is "Yes," what would you consider the appropriate procedure to deal with the difference? Blessings, Linda #1. Yes. Even a worker that had made mistakes gave me advice that is still like an anchor to me. If God sees a need in our hearts, He can use someone in that place to convey His message. #2. Yes absolutely for sure but I have only witnessed it a few times in my experience. #3. The appropriate procedure to deal with it... again, from experience...Matthew 10:16-17 KJV Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. [17] But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; Be wise, be harmless, beware. Some feel this chapter refers to the workers in the work only but I have found a few whom God has given the heart and mind of Jesus that are not "in the work" and it would be very dangerous for them to share the gospel God has given them to the current day Pharisees and chief priests. There are so many wolves. |
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Post by selah on Mar 4, 2020 13:19:43 GMT -5
Hello iam,
Thank you for posting your thoughts about these questions. I maybe should have clarified with #1 that I meant a special divine revelation into the scriptures that others do not have. The way you responded to #3 doesn't really address the actual result of one of the friends having a more accurate understanding of scripture than a worker. To clarify my question, it's more about how would the worker and friend resolve the difference?
Blessings,
Linda
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Post by christiansburg on Mar 6, 2020 13:48:52 GMT -5
These are three related questions for anyone to answer, but I would specifically like to know how the workers feel about this. I am asking these questions, since they are often at the heart of what causes "professing" people to leave the fellowship. All thoughtful and respectful comments are appreciated. Question #1Do you believe that God has equipped workers with special revelation into understanding the scripture for the purpose of teaching/preaching/leading other believers? Question #2Is it possible that one of the friends could have a more accurate understanding of the scripture than the workers? Question #3If the answer to Question 2 is "Yes," what would you consider the appropriate procedure to deal with the difference? Blessings, Linda #2--with caution and respect. |
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Post by iam on Mar 13, 2020 18:40:44 GMT -5
1) yes. but not all exclusive to them (see #2) - a very personal scripture to me is when Paul wrote in Corinthians - "if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward, but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is given to me" - that dispensation is what I consider a special gift to certain workers - the condition being stated by Paul - willing to be a worker - as in what I always wanted to be, not a bad thing in itself, and there's blessing/reward - but the better experience is 'against my will' - with the struggle that is required to accept, submit and thus offer for the Work - that depth of conviction of calling leads to a special dispensation. Likely that could be expounded on further - but start a new thread someday on that aspect. 2) Yes 3) As with any God-given revelation the action to take is to live it in your own life. And the fruit of that should be a greater humility. What examples do we have in the Bible of someone having a different understanding of scripture and what action was taken as a result ? I believe that alot of problems/differences/excommunications/exodus from the fellowship has been the result of a God-given understanding or conviction or revelation being put into action with too much human element involved. And that's where there needs to be complete understanding of our own human nature to be clear So the bottom line, is likely - no action toward others, but practice in our own life. Again, just an answer from the heart - that I hope will help, but may not support your own beliefs. . ..good questions ! Too much human element? That stinks. There's too much human element in the ministry. If it's in the ministry it's gonna be much more in the church. The ministry kills. Seen it happen. And your excuse is that there's too much human element? That's WHY there's too much human element. No action towards others? Live it and let God control. Then others will follow and feel safe. |
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Post by iam on Mar 13, 2020 18:47:19 GMT -5
Hello iam, Thank you for posting your thoughts about these questions. I maybe should have clarified with #1 that I meant a special divine revelation into the scriptures that others do not have. The way you responded to #3 doesn't really address the actual result of one of the friends having a more accurate understanding of scripture than a worker. To clarify my question, it's more about how would the worker and friend resolve the difference? Blessings, Linda There IS no resolving the difference. The worker will either stonewall you or consider you as unimportant enough not to be bothered even caring about any resolution. It's all about submission. Submission to the worker FIRST and Jesus second. But their reasoning is that if we're submitting to Jesus FIRST then we will submit to whatever they THINK even if it's completely opposite to what Jesus taught. Been there done that. |
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Post by selah on Mar 30, 2020 9:18:52 GMT -5
[/quote]There IS no resolving the difference. The worker will either stonewall you or consider you as unimportant enough not to be bothered even caring about any resolution. It's all about submission. Submission to the worker FIRST and Jesus second. But their reasoning is that if we're submitting to Jesus FIRST then we will submit to whatever they THINK even if it's completely opposite to what Jesus taught. Been there done that. [/quote]
That was my experience with trying to resolve a difference, yes. I just think there should and could be a better way.
Blessings,
Linda
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