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Post by 1smallvoice on Mar 24, 2009 17:59:02 GMT -5
If someone is not in the meeting the day of their death how can anyone possibly believe and say to others that this soul "lost out". Personally I do NOT believe this to be true. Thots?
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Post by ronhall on Mar 24, 2009 22:26:44 GMT -5
John, who wrote Revelation, although physically alone, was in the Spirit on the Lord's day when he heard behind him a great voice, as of a trumpet.
Was John, not being in meeting that Sunday, losing out?
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Post by shushy on Mar 25, 2009 7:23:46 GMT -5
Haha ...good one ronhall
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Post by 1smallvoice on Mar 25, 2009 12:37:36 GMT -5
Thanks so much Ron. I needed this. I am so upset by the hurtfull things I have been hearing that were said at the lunch after we burried my son could not find any scripture for this. Appreciate the reply thanks it helps.
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Post by 1smallvoice on Mar 25, 2009 13:46:20 GMT -5
TY Peridot. Glad there are others that still believe the Lord God has that decision. Too many sufferers of STTS Stupid Things To say
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Post by julio on Mar 25, 2009 15:56:42 GMT -5
Totally agree. I detest the term 'lost out', and having heard it applied to one who has NOT 'lost out', but has been cruelly dealt with, I hate it more!
What we must remember is that this fellowship is made up of very human people, who make mistakes, and who don't have the same understanding that God has of our hearts.
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Post by pianoman on Mar 26, 2009 2:11:28 GMT -5
Amen to the anti "losing out" comments. God will judge!!
Ronhall: To quote you:"John, who wrote Revelation, although physically alone, was in the Spirit on the Lord's day when he heard behind him a great voice, as of a trumpet.
Was John, not being in meeting that Sunday, losing out? "
Are you sure he wasn't in meeting with his IPOD?.............................................Pianoman
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Post by ronhall on Mar 26, 2009 16:50:47 GMT -5
Amen to the anti "losing out" comments. God will judge!! Ronhall: To quote you:"John, who wrote Revelation, although physically alone, was in the Spirit on the Lord's day when he heard behind him a great voice, as of a trumpet. Was John, not being in meeting that Sunday, losing out? " Are you sure he wasn't in meeting with his IPOD?.............................................Pianoman Guess I'd better read that chapter again to be sure I've got my story straight . . . . . wait-a-minute, did you say IPOD?
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Post by pianoman on Mar 27, 2009 0:42:40 GMT -5
You mean they didn't have IPOD's and MP-3 Players in those days???
I was walking down the hill the other day, and I thought I heard a trumpet behind me.
I wasn't a revelation, it was Mexican food. Maybe they didn't have Mexican food then either.
I am sorry. Some of the topics on here are pretty silly.
next post is more serious...........................................................Pianoman
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Post by pianoman on Mar 27, 2009 0:55:26 GMT -5
1smallvoice. People will judge and say things that are pretty cruel. We have to toughen our skins and ignore the ignorance that pours forth.
All people in the 2x2's and not, can really put their foot in their mouths at times when we really don't need to hear stupid things. That is part of being human. Being above letting that affect us, I think is Godly.
Judgment is best left to God, but people can not resist putting their two cents in.
The scripture is quite clear on that. "Judge not lest ye be judged".
I know that must have been hurtful, but try to think on the positive things, like that you had your son, and enjoyed his presence for as long as you did. We are not supposed to bury our children, but sometimes it just happens. God doesn't make mistakes and has those return to him when they are prepared. I don't think that younger people die by mistake. I believe they are prepared and accepted home to be with God.
May this bring some peace to your heart, and I was not referring to your loss as silly. Just that someone could be that callous and thoughtless. Judgment will come to them. Pray that they may be forgiven, as that may help you overcome your ill feelings.
Peace to all and you especially, 1smallvoice.........................................................Pianoman
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Post by 1smallvoice on Mar 27, 2009 5:07:35 GMT -5
Thanks so much Pianoman. I hold no ill or grudge to anyone... 2x2 or other. I know I am no perfect person but have held those professing to a higher standard. I have prayed sincerely that they would be forgiven for they have noooo idea the hurt they have caused. Hope that I have never done this to others, and if I have I have prayed that the Lord would heal my unintended wounds and cleanse and forgive me for hurting another.. Jesus said offences would come....How we respond is up to us.Wheather we are on one side of the offense or the other. I certainly did not mean to present this as having ill feelings towards anyone... just that I did NOT believe what was being said. I have FULL assurance that his life was acceptable and have peace in that knowledge. Appreciate the response Pianoman TY.
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Post by samantha on Mar 27, 2009 10:07:20 GMT -5
Dear 1smallvoice, the worst hurts come form those whom we would least expect. I admire your goodwill and peaceful posts in the midst of pain. Father forgive, they know not what they do.
Peace to you, and comfort from our God.
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Post by rational on Mar 30, 2009 16:42:15 GMT -5
John, who wrote Revelation, although physically alone, ... How do you know he was alone?
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Post by moralityagain on Jun 27, 2009 23:41:12 GMT -5
Well, we always got to hear sermons about how the young people went out watching a movie or roller skating and then on the way home had a wreck and were killed. So, they went to hell for having done those evil things and missed out on eternal life. This usually before the testing of the meeting. Just sort of a fear tactic thing. Usually worked too.
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Post by 1smallvoice on Jul 3, 2009 8:40:42 GMT -5
justmyself... same message still going out. We have just learned from some that at the lunch after the burial, some of the w & f's told their children "this could happen to you". WTH !!! Punnishment!!! To who?? Now that it has been 14 months I have started grief counseling. Since talking outloud about these very things, I am seeing just how ignorant , deceiving, and completely lacking in Mercy and Truth some are. and me ....shame on me for being so deceived and trusting. You'd thing that a true spiritual fellowship of ministers and friends would be supportive,compassionate....well lets say I have held "professing" people to higher standards, expected higher standards...only to be confused,and beaten down, misjudged,even have had my profession of faith brought into question for sometimes being silent in the mtg... Oh there have been some very understanding friends, Don't get me wrong but it is because they have been through the same experience. Says little for the others....
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Post by z on Jul 3, 2009 12:01:20 GMT -5
If someone is not in the meeting the day of their death how can anyone possibly believe and say to others that this soul "lost out". Personally I do NOT believe this to be true. Thots? Some people have no class/no common sense, those types of comments are not acceptable at any funeral/time of mourning. (Having read through your other posts) I wanted to add that we have had two good experiences with the works/friends/family in dealing with those “inside” and “outside.” One was of a 19 year old who had never “professed,” the parents had quit professing when the person was young, but much of the family still professes. The worker that had the funeral knew this person from the time they were born and continued to see them a few times a year until the time of their death. I can’t remember one thing that I felt was “out of place/uncalled for” at this funeral. "this could happen to you"The closest I came to hearing this was a 19 year old classmate in a wheelchair who came within about 10 feet of the casket at visitation and just sat there. Finally the mother of the deceased went and talked to him and he said "It could have been me laying there, instead of me sitting in this wheelchair." The other one was of an old person who had been in the work for a few years before leaving, marrying and raising a family, but always "remained true." At the funeral some of the grandkids sang a couple of hymns, those that were still in the 2x2 and those that had left. For this person/their families to do this said a lot to me about the “non-divide” between those “inside” and “outside” in that family. I wish there was something I could say to make it less painful, I’m sorry, I can’t. The thoughts/memories/visits to the grave will become less frequent as time goes on, but the emotions do not seem to lessen in any way.
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Post by 1smallvoice on Jul 3, 2009 14:12:29 GMT -5
z "Some people have no class/no common sense, those types of comments are not acceptable at any funeral/time of mourning". These types of comments aren't acceptable ANY TIME!!!
I am glad you have had two "good experiences".
I continue to maintain my Faith in the true and living God of all heaven and earth,and in His son, and I pray that I will never cause hurt with my words to another...professing or otherwise. I can echo the words Father forgive them for they know not what they do,and only because He has lifted me up , and strengthened me beyond what I could have asked or thought.
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Post by MsMarie on Jul 22, 2009 9:10:12 GMT -5
When bad things happen to those who have handed over the reins of their lives to God, it is never as a punishment. He never punishes us for our sins, since these were forgiven to us once and for all and provision made by Jesus' sacrifice for us to cleanse ourselves of future sin by presenting ourselves before Him. It is so cruel and presumptous to suggest something is a punishment sent by God and somehow deserved. That is not to say that suffering is not a part of our lives, but this is for purposes other than punishment and we may never see why in this life. The reasonings of Job are helpful in this context.
Following any misfortune, I am reluctant to convey this to any of the Friends, as I have often heard the comment that this or that happened because someone had left the Truth or was misbehaving in some way. It is a common conclusion they reach.
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Post by rational on Jul 22, 2009 11:36:44 GMT -5
When bad things happen to those who have handed over the reins of their lives to God, it is never as a punishment. I don't think your conclusion is supported by the text of the OT. It would be worse to assume it was not deserved. If you believe that god is truly omnipotent, omnipresent, and omniscient it is difficult to believe that he is not also responsible for everything that happens. It is difficult to think that the murder of your child, for example, is an object lesson from god. I think every christian believes god punishes. What is the purpose of hell if not to punish the unfaithful?
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Post by ronhall on Jul 22, 2009 14:38:12 GMT -5
He's also the rewarder of those who diligently seek Him!
(fixed spelling)
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Post by MsMarie on Jul 23, 2009 7:25:02 GMT -5
I am talking here of the punishment or perceived punishment of those who belong to Him and have done no wrong, yet endure much suffering in their lives. The key to understanding this does lie in the reasonings of Job who had done no wrong yet his life was devastated, including the loss of his children. Much of Job's suffering was at the hands of his fellow believers. Yes, God does punish with hell after death those who remained outside the salvation of Jesus that much is clear. I don't feel missing a meeting even registers as an offence...
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