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Post by bryan2 on Jan 2, 2005 19:12:15 GMT -5
In other words, you still won't/can't answer Dawn's question. Opinions about and examples of his unwonderful behavior have already been cited and read by you. No… example… not examples… In 8+ years you take one interview from a nut that blames bush for 9/11 and calls it an alleged attack and think you got BO pegged…. Give me a break… Tell you what… .Why don’t we all watch BO this whole next week and respond with our thoughts… Dawn, you up for it? I’ll be watching starting tomorrow… Bryan
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Post by Dawn on Jan 2, 2005 19:21:09 GMT -5
Dawn, Here is another example of twisting by the likes of bert... I never said I wouldn't read her posts, but yet she states it as fact… Why must the truth be distorted and warped… You're right Bryan, what you said, and rather rudely I thought, was that you would no longer respond to her posts. You used the words pathetic and ignorant. Maybe you're watching too much O'Reilly Factor.
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Post by bryan2 on Jan 2, 2005 19:25:41 GMT -5
You're right Bryan, what you said, and rather rudely I thought, was that you would no longer respond to her posts. You used the words pathetic and ignorant. Maybe you're watching too much O'Reilly Factor. yes yes yes... BO's rudeness has rubbed off on me and now I am rude to everyone else.... ho hum... I guess I need to be a little more tolerant to ignorance…
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Post by Dawn on Jan 2, 2005 19:27:30 GMT -5
No… example… not examples… In 8+ years you take one interview from a nut that blames bush for 9/11 and calls it an alleged attack and think you got BO pegged…. Give me a break… Tell you what… .Why don’t we all watch BO this whole next week and respond with our thoughts… Dawn, you up for it? I’ll be watching starting tomorrow… Bryan I know a lot of people who are open minded enough to consider the possibility that the world is a more complex place than Mr O'Reilly would have you believe. Everything is not as black and white as we might like it to be. Mr O'Reilly not only did not consider the view put forth by his guest, he berated his guest for it. And we both know this is not the only time it has happened. You know it because you watch the show. I know it because I used to watch the show, because I found it amusing, until I realized that BO's attitude was so obnoxious that if I didn't stop watching I was going to have to get a prescription for valium to stop me putting a foot through the tv. People who mistreat other people make me angry.
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Post by Dawn on Jan 2, 2005 19:31:43 GMT -5
yes yes yes... BO's rudeness has rubbed off on me and now I am rude to everyone else.... ho hum... Seriously, Bryan. We get used to what we see regularly. If you have kids I hope you don't let them watch.
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Post by bryan2 on Jan 2, 2005 20:08:44 GMT -5
Seriously, Bryan. We get used to what we see regularly. If you have kids I hope you don't let them watch. my kids will watch... they will also read his books... Will you at least allow me to send you one of his books... send me a private message with an address and I'll send you his new kids book...
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Post by bryan2 on Jan 2, 2005 21:11:27 GMT -5
more from the rude guy on TV....
Humbly welcome this new citizen
The first thing you notice about Army Sgt. Manuel Mendoza is his charismatic smile. Tom Cruise would be envious. The second thing you notice as he lies in his hospital bed is that half his body is missing - blown away by a roadside bomb that destroyed the armored personnel carrier he was commanding in Baghdad's Sadr City district.
Mendoza's life was altered forever Oct. 3. Within a week of his injury, he was under treatment at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington. Now he spends his days going back to the facility. He undergoes rigorous physical therapy and exercise sessions designed to strengthen his upper body and his will. Mendoza soon will be fitted with artificial legs and will need all the determination he can muster to regain his mobility.
I'm betting Mendoza will do it, because he is a special guy. Born in Los Reyes, Mexico, in 1981, he and his family legally entered the United States and, four years later, became resident aliens. His father worked as a logger in Northern California. The family struggled and little Manuel and his two siblings barely had a slice of the American Dream.
After graduating from high school, Mendoza did what so many poor young men before him have done: He joined the military to secure educational benefits and discipline. He loved the Army, quickly moving through the ranks. As a sergeant, he was in charge of men years older. He told me that he was proud to serve in Iraq and that he believes America is trying to bring freedom to that chaotic country.
Mendoza's wounds are terrible. He lost one leg all the way up to the hip, the other above the knee. Other men sink into depression when faced with that kind of catastrophe. Mendoza did not. He joked with the doctors and nurses. He encouraged his depressed mother, brother and little sister. He did not complain and did not feel sorry for himself, although he had a perfect right to do so. He did, however, ask his government for one favor. He asked to be made an American citizen.
And so, earlier this month, Mendoza took the oath of citizenship. He is now a full-fledged American. But those who know Mendoza also know he is much more than that.
He is a symbol of what America is at its core: generous, optimistic and tough. Mendoza's face should be on a stamp.
Often, it is difficult for strangers to talk with wounded military people. You want them to see your respect and your sympathy, but not too much of the latter. You want them to talk about themselves, but you don't want to intrude on their suffering. You want to help them, but you really can't, outside of the conversation and perhaps a gift or some letters.
But talking with Sgt. Mendoza was easy. He overwhelmed me with his positive outlook and hope for the future. Mendoza wants to attend college, marry, have children and have an exciting career.
And he will. I do not doubt this for a moment. We fellow Americans salute you, sir.
Originally published on December 27, 2004
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Post by Reality on Jan 2, 2005 23:10:14 GMT -5
Opinions about and examples of his unwonderful behavior have already been cited and read by you. No… example… not examples… More than one example has been cited on this topic.
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Post by bryan2 on Jan 3, 2005 1:59:49 GMT -5
More than one example has been cited on this topic. Thank you for setting the record straight… Any plans to answer my question?
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Post by Dawn on Jan 3, 2005 18:38:27 GMT -5
Hey Bryan, I'll read an O'Reilly book if you'll read Jitterbug Perfume by Tom Robbins. Dawn
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Post by bryan2 on Jan 3, 2005 18:42:05 GMT -5
Hey Bryan, I'll read an O'Reilly book if you'll read Jitterbug Perfume by Tom Robbins. Dawn any other book? Please.... Are you going to watch BO today?
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Post by Dawn on Jan 3, 2005 18:45:33 GMT -5
any other book? Please.... Are you going to watch BO today? That's the one I want you to read. Jitterbug Perfume. (I am assuming The Necronomican would be too much to ask, tee hee. ;D) I am planning to watch tonight. It all depends on how much homework my son has. Dawn
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Post by Reality on Jan 4, 2005 0:05:15 GMT -5
Any plans to answer my question? I already did.
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Post by bryan2 on Jan 4, 2005 1:54:16 GMT -5
Question... is your problem with me or with BO?I'm sorry.... where is your answer?
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Post by Dawn on Jan 4, 2005 11:15:44 GMT -5
Good Morning Bryan, I watched O'Reilly last night, and I have some things to say about it, not all of them bad. But give me a little time today to deal with some personal stuff and get my thoughts on the matter in order. I haven't forgotten you. Dawn
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Post by bryan2 on Jan 4, 2005 12:12:58 GMT -5
Good Morning Bryan, I watched O'Reilly last night, and I have some things to say about it, not all of them bad. But give me a little time today to deal with some personal stuff and get my thoughts on the matter in order. I haven't forgotten you. Dawn no problem... I watched it too and thought the show was a bit flat (my guess because he had the last two weeks off)... maybe tonight he will be on top of his game... Bryan
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Post by Dawn on Jan 4, 2005 16:44:31 GMT -5
Alrighty then. I must admit I am tired of Bill O'Reilly. I did watch, and I took 4 pages of notes, but I'd do almost anything right now to avoid rehashing the whole thing. Ug. I don't want to get into a word-for-word over semantics with you, although it seems inevitable. Let me just give you my general impressions of last night, and you can let me know what you think. Go easy on me though, Bryan. I'm tired. He must have said "culture war" at least a dozen times. Is he the culture war spokesperson or ambassador or something? It seems to me that pointing to a culture war is divisive in nature. Must we be so divided all the time? Well apparently so, because my next issue was the "Go America, We're The Best" thing. Now there's nothing wrong with being proud of America, so don't start. But BO was so nationalistic last night as to be antagonistic. The Germans don't like us, but they aren't giving enough money for tsunami relief. The French don't like us, but they think too much of themselves anyway. Are we getting enough "credit" around the world for all the money we are giving? Don't they see how great we are? Muslim countries are hardly pitching in their dime, but they don't like us either, right? Then when the Red Cross lady pointed out that a lot of the muslim dollars will be private dollars (and he made a big deal out of the US getting "credit" for our private dollars), he moved on pretty quick. He also didn't have much to say about the Red Cross lady's assertion that India and Sri Lanka being helpful was the silver lining of the thing, or the fact that the US is second in giving to Japan's first. It was such a transparent "we're so much better than everyone else". Yuck. As far as his political leanings, I hardly see the point of making the point, but I will anyway. Anyone "liberal" or "progressive", which terms he pretty much uses interchangeably, was ridiculed. The word "secular" was used as an insult. The media references at the beginning were all smugly countered as "liberal" (and this clearly meant "unfair, unbalanced"). The emails at the end were interesting. All of those who praised him were congratulated. All who disagreed were called one of the bad words (liberal, progressive, secular) and dismissed as ridiculous, delivered with the smarmy grin. He did earn a couple of gold stars. * He pretty much shut down Harvey Kushner when he said a lot of mosques in the US were teaching muslems to hate americans. * He handled the gay protest thing well, and really balanced I thought. Although it was clear he didn't think it was OK to be gay, he also made it clear that it was not OK to treat them badly either. * And he was completely unbiased in the Michael Jackson thing, going so far as to point out that it would be the evidence that mattered. All in all though, Bryan, I just don't like the guy. He's smarmy and condescending, and on a good night. I know you respect him, and that's all up to you.
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Post by bryan2 on Jan 4, 2005 18:21:08 GMT -5
Yes He believes in a traditionalist philosophy... as do I… and so from that perspective… the perspective our country was founded on… there is a culture war. Let me ask you this… do you believe the American culture has moved significantly towards a progressive and secular mindset in the last 20 years? The reason it is so divided is because two camps of people want to take the country in very different directions. I never thought of him as nationalistic… However his issue with Germany and France in particular is ongoing and has documented roots in, for example, his past columns. After 6 months, I too believe France… the France government… has a deep seated anti-American mindset; however to a new viewer this sort of talk seems over the top… such as his boycott France bumper stickers… However the record he has laid out, with respect to France, is compelling. I was put off by that statement… however I think it was rooted in the fact that no matter what we give there are those out there that will view it as stingy… I think his point there is the fact that the Muslim countries he listed are considered very wealthy per capita… He also pointed out Sweden’s pop compared to their giving… I think it had less to do with Muslim countries and more to do with rich countries... however, I could be wrong in some respects because the fact that Indonesia is a Muslim country and so he could be commenting on the lack of giving from one Muslim land to another… I did not get this impression… On his radio show yesterday he gave Japan credit for helping out their neighbors… It’s not that we are so much better then everyone else… it’s that as the only superpower… we often times set the standards… like it or not… I think this needs to be taken into context of what he has espoused for the last few years… that the media is primarily very left wing and often times is extremely unfair and unbalanced... didn’t he mention that this last weekend he was taken out of context two times by the media? Is it improper to defend one’s own belief? I would give him credit for the emails at the end… often times he reads very unflattering comments about himself… But what I like best is that he never lets any of it get to him… They attack him from the right and the left and he doesn’t care… In my listening and watching his shows I have not found this to be true… in fact, the exact opposite. I wouldn’t use the words smarty and condescending… I would use aggressive and uncompromising… I think often times people who disagree with his style would whole heartily embrace someone who’s style might be the same but who’s political/cultural beliefs are more inline with their own... I will be watching again to night…. Perhaps we will have a better show then last night… Turn him on again if you have the chance…
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Post by Reality on Jan 5, 2005 18:08:36 GMT -5
As I posted, I already answered your question. The answer to the question you are now referring to is, BO and your attitude towards others about him. Whatever good that you think he's done, his is negative behavior and attitudes say something about his character, which effects the level of respect others have for him.
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Post by bryan2 on Jan 5, 2005 18:24:04 GMT -5
Reply #64 was referencing reply #53… Any plans to answer my question? Also, I don’t view his aggressive style as being negative… And I’m sorry if you do…
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Post by Bertine Louise on Jan 5, 2005 18:42:20 GMT -5
I never thought of him as nationalistic… However his issue with Germany and France in particular is ongoing and has documented roots in, for example, his past columns. Not nationalistic? "I'm getting tired of all the America bashing. Our duty is to let people know that we are the most generous nation on Earth." -Bill O' Reilly in The O Reilly Factor The OECD (Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development) doesn't think so anyway. Btw i just heard Germany reserved half a billion Euros for the reconstruction. I'd like to see that record. Given the boycotts and the fact that calling Kerry French is supposed to be an insult, I wonder who hates who more. Well he did say the USA was the most generous nation on earth and everyone should know it. Seems to me he does think the US is better than everyone else. I personally don't like aggressive and uncompromising behaviour at all, no matter beliefs someone holds.
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Post by Reality on Jan 5, 2005 18:45:22 GMT -5
Reply #64 was referencing reply #53… Any plans to answer my question? Quoting it would have helped. How would your family, friends and people that you work with view BO's "aggressive style" if practiced by you towards them? My guess is that many, if not most, would view such treatment as rude and obnoxious as well as negative.
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Post by Dawn on Jan 5, 2005 19:30:16 GMT -5
Let me ask you this… do you believe the American culture has moved significantly towards a progressive and secular mindset in the last 20 years? The reason it is so divided is because two camps of people want to take the country in very different directions. We are really polarized now as a nation. But paying too much attention to our differences only puts us further apart. O'Reilly feeds that. Good thing he's paid to be sensationalist and not a diplomat.
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Post by bryan2 on Jan 7, 2005 12:58:04 GMT -5
We are really polarized now as a nation. But paying too much attention to our differences only puts us further apart. O'Reilly feeds that. Good thing he's paid to be sensationalist and not a diplomat. im sorry you see it that way... you missed a great show last night...
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Post by dawn unplugged on Jan 7, 2005 13:01:35 GMT -5
I like your new pic!
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Post by ClayRandall on Jan 7, 2005 16:55:00 GMT -5
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