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Post by bryan2 on Dec 9, 2004 18:04:50 GMT -5
Take Your Christmas and Stuff It By: Bill O'Reilly for BillOReilly.com Thursday, Dec 09, 2004
"Christmas with the Kranks" is not only the name of a holiday movie this year, it is also a national trend. Once again, Christmas is under siege by the growing forces of secularism in America. Put these facts in your stocking:
* Federated Department Stores, which includes Macy's, has suggested that managers avoid displaying "Merry Christmas" banners and have ordered employees not to talk about it. * In Denver, a church was banned from the "Festival of Lights" parade because it wanted a religious theme to its float. * The Maplewood, New Jersey school board has banned all religious music from "holiday" concerts. (Would somebody please tell me exactly what holiday this is?) * And New York City Mayor Bloomberg insists that the lighted tree outside City Hall is not a Christmas tree, it's a "holiday tree." (What holiday, Mr. Mayor?)
Surveys show that more than 90% of Americans celebrate the Federal holiday of Christmas, signed into law by President Grant in 1870. Despite that overwhelming number, the tradition of Christmas in America continues to get hammered.
The anti-Christmas forces say it's all about diversity, protecting the sensitivities of those Americans who get offended by the mere mention of the birth of Jesus. Somehow, I haven't been able to locate any of these people--folks who find a baby in a manger so off-putting, it ruins their day.
So the diversity excuse is a bunch of bull. What's really going on here is a well-organized movement to wipe out any display of organized religion from the public arena.
The secular-progressive movement understands very well that it is organized religion, most specifically Christianity and Judaism, that stands in the way of gay marriage, partial birth abortion, legalized narcotics, euthanasia, and many other secular causes. If religion can be de-emphasized in the USA, a brave new progressive society can be achieved.
It has happened in Canada. Once a traditional religious country, Canada has become like Holland in its embrace of the secular movement. Some facts: In 1980, 79% of Canadians said that religion was important to the country. That number has now fallen to 61%, according to an Environics Focus Canada poll.
In 1971, less than one percent of the Canadian population reported having no religion whatsoever; now that number has risen to 16%.
The fall of religion in Canada has corresponded to a change in public policy. Unlike Americans, Canadians have legalized gay marriage and any kind of abortion. Also, the age of consent for sex up north is just 14 years old. Can you imagine American adults being allowed to fool around with children that age? I can't.
Even drug legalization is close to being a reality, as the city of Vancouver is developing a heroin give-away policy, and pot has been largely decriminalized across the country.
The Canadian model is what progressive Americans are shooting for, and so religion must be dealt with. Since Christmas is the most demonstrative display of organized religion, the strategy of minimizing the birth of Jesus makes perfect sense.
I know this sounds kind of conspiratorial, but it really isn't. Most of those marginalizing Christmas have no idea about the big picture I've just presented. They simply think they're looking out for the minority of Americans who don't celebrate the birth of Christ.
But committed secularists in the media, in the courts, and in the education system know exactly what's going on. And now so do you. Merry Christmas!
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Post by Dawn on Dec 23, 2004 13:04:31 GMT -5
Sorry, but Bill O'Reilly is a closed-minded half-wit. ;D
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Post by Dawn on Dec 28, 2004 11:49:07 GMT -5
Bill O'Reilly likes to find political correctness gone awry and point it out as though it is the norm. I live in a very liberal community, and I see no sign of Christmas being erased by the evil liberals. Interesting trick Mr O'Reilly has darn near perfected; smoke and mirrors are used to make intolerance look like it is on the liberal doorstep, when in fact intolerance lives with the religious right, and rather intimately. We can all agree that people should be able to celebrate their holidays unhindered. Especially those of us who are liberal enough to accept everyone's holidays as interesting and valid. Dawn
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Post by Robb Klaty on Dec 28, 2004 14:18:05 GMT -5
Dawn,
You seem very judgemental and intolerant when it comes to Mr. Bill.
Robb
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Post by Dawn on Dec 28, 2004 15:10:22 GMT -5
Dawn, You seem very judgemental and intolerant when it comes to Mr. Bill. Robb Yeah. Well, that first half-wit comment was unnecessary, I admit. I was having a moment... But really, it's not me that judges, it's our friend Mr Bill (OH NO, MR HANDS, NOT THE GERMAN SHEPHERD!). I don't usually go around saying "All conservatives are evil," like he does about liberals. Still and all, I am allowed my opinion, which is that the world would be a much happier place without Mr O'Reilly stirring the pot.
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Post by bryan2 on Dec 28, 2004 15:56:13 GMT -5
Sorry, but Bill O'Reilly is a closed-minded half-wit. ;D Dawn, Setting the Christmas issue aside... Can you come up with one specific issue that leads you to believe BO is a half-wit?
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Post by bryan2 on Dec 28, 2004 15:59:17 GMT -5
I don't usually go around saying "All conservatives are evil," like he does about liberals. It's clear that you know little of what you speak of... with all due respect... Bill has nothing against liberals and makes that clear... he even called Jesus a liberal... however; his issue is with progressives and the progressive agenda. To say he believes all liberals are evil goes to show how ignorant you are when it comes to BO and his beliefs…. With all due respect of course…
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Post by Dawn on Dec 28, 2004 16:06:05 GMT -5
It's clear that you know little of what you speak of... with all due respect... Bill has nothing against liberals and makes that clear... he even called Jesus a liberal... however; his issue is with progressives and the progressive agenda. To say he believes all liberals are evil goes to show how ignorant you are when it comes to BO and his beliefs…. With all due respect of course… Thanks for all the respect there, Bryan. ;D Because I disagree with you does not make me ignorant. Bill O'Reilly having nothing against liberals is just about the funniest thing I've ever heard. Thanks for the good laugh. In fact, the guy is so one-sided that there is really no point in listening to him, as we all already know what he is going to say. But it's not his opinions that I find objectionable, because everyone has those. It is his condescending attitude toward those who do not agree with his opinions. Makes me nauseous, and I change the channel. I prefer something a little more balanced myself... ;D
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Post by bryan2 on Dec 28, 2004 16:38:43 GMT -5
Because I disagree with you does not make me ignorant. I never said that... Yes... and some view him as a hardcore liberal... I will eat my hat if you can find where he said all liberals are evil... Such as?
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Post by Dawn on Dec 28, 2004 16:47:55 GMT -5
Yes... and some view him as a hardcore liberal... I will eat my hat if you can find where he said all liberals are evil... I will eat your hat and your socks if you can find anyone (not institutionalized) who thinks he is a hardcore liberal!
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Post by bryan2 on Dec 28, 2004 17:01:13 GMT -5
I will eat your hat and your socks if you can find anyone (not institutionalized) who thinks he is a hardcore liberal! If you were watching his show durring the elections then you will know that many people wrote into him claiming such...
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Post by botany on Dec 28, 2004 17:58:52 GMT -5
Conservative, liberal... on the far liberal side you have Air America Radio, more specifically the Randi Rhodes show. Just like you know what B. O. is going to say, you also know what R.R. is going to say. They're both one sided. Completely ignoring the faults of their own side, and only pointing out the faults of the opposing side. Well, I guess I can't extend that claim to B.O., since I don't think I've ever listened to him. But, the point still stands in general. The extremes are fairly closed minded with blinders on. andy
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Post by bryan2 on Dec 28, 2004 18:01:53 GMT -5
Conservative, liberal... on the far liberal side you have Air America Radio, more specifically the Randi Rhodes show. Just like you know what B. O. is going to say, you also know what R.R. is going to say. They're both one sided. Completely ignoring the faults of their own side, and only pointing out the faults of the opposing side. Well, I guess I can't extend that claim to B.O., since I don't think I've ever listened to him. But, the point still stands in general. The extremes are fairly closed minded with blinders on. andy Could you list some conservative viewpoints that BO holds? Could you list some liberal viewpoints that BO holds? Could you list one extreme viewpoint that BO holds? Do you believe conservative/liberal is the same difference as traditional/progressive?
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Post by botany on Dec 28, 2004 18:10:51 GMT -5
Could you list some conservative viewpoints that BO holds? Could you list some liberal viewpoints that BO holds? Could you list one extreme viewpoint that BO holds? Do you believe conservative/liberal is the same difference as traditional/progressive? Bryan, Did you even read my post? Please, I thought you were smarter than that. I specifically said that I cannot extend the claim to Bill O'Reilly. I said I have never listened to him. Therefore, I would not have any viewpoints or any idea of what he says. Are you having difficulty with that? Although, perhaps my post was a tad bit misleading since I said that "Just like you know what B. O. is going to say..." I guess that could imply that I have listened. Sorry, I was going on what Dawn said. What little that I have listened to conservative radio talk shows is Rush. And I haven't listened very much to him, either. But, I would say that my claim holds to him too. In the general sense, yes cons/lib roughly equals trad/prog. But, I do not think they are exact equals to each other. andy
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Post by bryan2 on Dec 28, 2004 18:14:18 GMT -5
My reply was not just to you.... but to anyone...
Do you believe BO is a right wing TV/Radio talkshow host?
What makes him "right wing"?
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Post by dawn on Dec 28, 2004 19:40:50 GMT -5
Well, what makes him right wing is basically his right wingedness. It's like asking what makes salt salty. He is almost the quintessential right winger. Do you KNOW any liberals, or are they just in your nightmares?
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Post by bryan2 on Dec 29, 2004 15:41:38 GMT -5
Well, what makes him right wing is basically his right wingedness. It's like asking what makes salt salty. He is almost the quintessential right winger. Do you KNOW any liberals, or are they just in your nightmares? Can you give some examples? I mean... what issues is he right wing on? The environment? The death penalty?
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Post by Dawn on Dec 29, 2004 15:48:13 GMT -5
Can you give some examples? I mean... what issues is he right wing on? The environment? The death penalty? Bryan. This subject is tiring, I must admit. I will try... Bill O'Reilly is so conservative and so condescending that I can barely watch him. He just gets my hackles up. The guy has no respect for anyone who disagrees with him. I am not suggesting that the above comments define a conservative. I will try, just for you, Bryan, to watch one of his shows this week. I will take notes. And I will get back to you. If you would do the same for me, with the idea in mind of pointing out his liberal tendencies, then we can have an informed conversation on this topic. Thanks, Dawn
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Post by bryan2 on Dec 29, 2004 17:45:51 GMT -5
Bryan. This subject is tiring, I must admit. I will try... Bill O'Reilly is so conservative and so condescending that I can barely watch him. He just gets my hackles up. The guy has no respect for anyone who disagrees with him. I am not suggesting that the above comments define a conservative. I will try, just for you, Bryan, to watch one of his shows this week. I will take notes. And I will get back to you. If you would do the same for me, with the idea in mind of pointing out his liberal tendencies, then we can have an informed conversation on this topic. Thanks, Dawn Sure... I record his show each day and watch it when I get home... However, he will not be on TV untill after the new year... I just wanted some examples that make him "so conservative"... thats all... I will bump this thread next week sometime...
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Post by Reality on Dec 30, 2004 0:55:40 GMT -5
Bryan: To say he believes all liberals are evil goes to show how ignorant you are when it comes to BO and his beliefs…. With all due respect of course…Dawn: Because I disagree with you does not make me ignorant.
I never said that... She is not the first person you have called ignorant in regards to Bill O'Reilly. It is surprising that anyone who believes in treating people fairly and politely would admire and respect BO. He behaves like a classless, arrogant showman going for the ratings.
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Post by Robb Klaty on Dec 30, 2004 9:40:30 GMT -5
I have yet to be institutionalized and think he is a hardcore liberal.
Have a nice lunch. ;D
Robb
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Post by Robb Klaty on Dec 30, 2004 9:42:11 GMT -5
Of course I am using the "liberal" definition as described by Present on this board a few months back.
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Post by Dawn on Dec 30, 2004 11:56:10 GMT -5
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Post by Dawn on Dec 30, 2004 12:16:00 GMT -5
Take Your Christmas and Stuff It By: Bill O'Reilly for BillOReilly.com Thursday, Dec 09, 2004 "Christmas with the Kranks" is not only the name of a holiday movie this year, it is also a national trend. Once again, Christmas is under siege by the growing forces of secularism in America. Put these facts in your stocking: * Federated Department Stores, which includes Macy's, has suggested that managers avoid displaying "Merry Christmas" banners and have ordered employees not to talk about it. * In Denver, a church was banned from the "Festival of Lights" parade because it wanted a religious theme to its float. * The Maplewood, New Jersey school board has banned all religious music from "holiday" concerts. (Would somebody please tell me exactly what holiday this is?) * And New York City Mayor Bloomberg insists that the lighted tree outside City Hall is not a Christmas tree, it's a "holiday tree." (What holiday, Mr. Mayor?) Surveys show that more than 90% of Americans celebrate the Federal holiday of Christmas, signed into law by President Grant in 1870. Despite that overwhelming number, the tradition of Christmas in America continues to get hammered. The anti-Christmas forces say it's all about diversity, protecting the sensitivities of those Americans who get offended by the mere mention of the birth of Jesus. Somehow, I haven't been able to locate any of these people--folks who find a baby in a manger so off-putting, it ruins their day. So the diversity excuse is a bunch of bull. What's really going on here is a well-organized movement to wipe out any display of organized religion from the public arena. The secular-progressive movement understands very well that it is organized religion, most specifically Christianity and Judaism, that stands in the way of gay marriage, partial birth abortion, legalized narcotics, euthanasia, and many other secular causes. If religion can be de-emphasized in the USA, a brave new progressive society can be achieved. It has happened in Canada. Once a traditional religious country, Canada has become like Holland in its embrace of the secular movement. Some facts: In 1980, 79% of Canadians said that religion was important to the country. That number has now fallen to 61%, according to an Environics Focus Canada poll. In 1971, less than one percent of the Canadian population reported having no religion whatsoever; now that number has risen to 16%. The fall of religion in Canada has corresponded to a change in public policy. Unlike Americans, Canadians have legalized gay marriage and any kind of abortion. Also, the age of consent for sex up north is just 14 years old. Can you imagine American adults being allowed to fool around with children that age? I can't. Even drug legalization is close to being a reality, as the city of Vancouver is developing a heroin give-away policy, and pot has been largely decriminalized across the country. The Canadian model is what progressive Americans are shooting for, and so religion must be dealt with. Since Christmas is the most demonstrative display of organized religion, the strategy of minimizing the birth of Jesus makes perfect sense. I know this sounds kind of conspiratorial, but it really isn't. Most of those marginalizing Christmas have no idea about the big picture I've just presented. They simply think they're looking out for the minority of Americans who don't celebrate the birth of Christ. But committed secularists in the media, in the courts, and in the education system know exactly what's going on. And now so do you. Merry Christmas! Okay, let's use this very article as an example, shall we? 1. a. 'The secular-progressive movement understands very well that it is organized religion, most specifically Christianity and Judaism, that stands in the way of gay marriage, partial birth abortion, legalized narcotics, euthanasia, and many other secular causes. If religion can be de-emphasized in the USA, a brave new progressive society can be achieved.' 1. b. Um, yeah. This is a conservative idea. A religious right idea. An anti secular idea. He is stating here that conservative christian america is saving us from these liberal evils. Sounds conservative to me, and paranoid. 2. a. Four paragraphs on the liberalization of Canada and how that has demoralized their society. 2. b. Liberal = immoral here. Conservatives tend to characterize liberals as immoral, to demonize them, pointing out to you their many victims. Here these would be 14 year olds and fetuses. Also we have gay marraige and drug decriminalization here, two topics conservatives are almost unilaterally against. 3. a. 'The Canadian model is what progressive Americans are shooting for, and so religion must be dealt with. Since Christmas is the most demonstrative display of organized religion, the strategy of minimizing the birth of Jesus makes perfect sense.' 3. b. Oh ye brave christians, the secular demons are trying to demoralize your society. A call to arms against who? Liberals. 4. a. 'But committed secularists in the media, in the courts, and in the education system know exactly what's going on. And now so do you. Merry Christmas!' 4. b. Committed secularists in the media. What media? The LIBERAL media. Would anyone here like to argue that pushing a religious agenda is tantamount to liberalism? Does anyone think, after reading this article with its "beware of progressiveness" attitude that Ol' Bill is stating a liberal viewpoint here? C'mon, bring it on.
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Post by Dawn on Dec 30, 2004 12:16:29 GMT -5
Of course I am using the "liberal" definition as described by Present on this board a few months back. Robb Care to enlighten me? Dawn
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Post by bryan2 on Dec 30, 2004 16:12:56 GMT -5
dawn dawn dawn dawn... what are we going to do with u... First off you are getting your information from moveon.org… which is suspect from the beginning… and with respect to “shut up” being said by BO on his show… they researched it and found out he said it 6 times in the past when this controversy came out… 6 times in about 8 years of shows… Oh… and do you know who one of the shut ups were directed towards… you guest it… Triumph the Insult Comic Dog (http://www.triumphtheinsultcomicdog.com/)… a hand puppet from the conan obrien show… So I mean come on… If you don’t like his aggressive reporting style then so be it… but call it what it is… and not something it isn’t…
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Post by bryan2 on Dec 30, 2004 16:21:07 GMT -5
He is a traditionalist… Just because he holds a view that’s similar to the religious right does not make him a part of the religious right… I mean come on… You could use such logic to say he’s a liberal because of his anti-death penalty stance…
And once again… “liberal evils”/”evil liberals” are your own terms… no one elses…
I think you need to find out the BO’s difference between liberal and progressive before you make these kinds of judgments about him…
Absoulitly not!
He has said over and over this isn’t the case and if you knew what you were talking about you would understand what you’re spouting is flat out wrong…
Once again… I think you need to find out the BO’s difference between liberal and progressive before you make these kinds of judgments about him…
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Post by bryan2 on Dec 30, 2004 16:50:37 GMT -5
Ignorant as in ill-informed/unaware… not as stupid/foolish…
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