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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2004 2:30:04 GMT -5
When somebody writes about election fraud in Florida either nobody responds or the usual bush-ites will say this is liberal propaganda and (liberal) media blah-blah-blah.
When somebody reminds people that the UN and other international organisations and Treaties were set up folloing the active support of the USA - the bush-ites will say that they are not needed and that the USA can police the world alone according to their own agenda and on the basis of their own interests.
When somebody writes that americans could not have been victorious at the WWII without the dozens of countries who fought against nazism and facism - the bush-ites (complete ignoramuses of history and geography as most of americans) persist that it was only the americans that won the war - although Berlin was captured by the Soviets, Brussels was liberated by Field Marshal Montgomery and several french cities by Général Leclerq.
Well it is evident that american 2x2s are turning facist, arrogant and intolerant ... as is a big part of the USA society. And history teaches us the fate of people who turned in this was ...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2004 8:31:10 GMT -5
Sure - see how k and no name treated the statistics about the ownership of houses in Europe and the EU. Their only agenda is to bloodbath the world in the name of Christ and their big leader ...
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Post by HA on Nov 11, 2004 2:50:43 GMT -5
Fully agree on the above !!!
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Post by You have to understand on Nov 11, 2004 7:12:29 GMT -5
Fully agree on the above !!! No name and K do not do well when the facts prove them to be in error. They are full of long winded posts until the facts prove them wrong then they just silently move on. Remember they support a president who also cannot admit to being mistaken. -- Jimmy
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Post by no name on Nov 11, 2004 21:45:00 GMT -5
I wasn't even involved in the discussion about "houses in Europe and the EU". Black helicopters visit you often? No name and K do not do well when the facts prove them to be in error. Rather -- it seems that many of you guys here do not do well when the facts prove you to be in error. Some here still want to argue with the facts I present . . . . Guess it depends on the interpretation of the "facts" you mention. As far as moving on -- it's not always worth it to argue with some people who don't have a clue. Besides, I have a life and a dying grandmother to tend to these days.
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Post by HA on Nov 12, 2004 2:36:54 GMT -5
As far as moving on -- it's not always worth it to argue with some people who don't have a clue. Besides, I have a life and a dying grandmother to tend to these days. Good luck and courage no name. I fully understand and sympathise.
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Post by no name on Nov 12, 2004 21:24:01 GMT -5
Good luck and courage no name. I fully understand and sympathise. Thank you for the kind words. It is very hard, and makes you feel helpless to see someone dying right in front of your eyes; especially when it is someone close to your heart. I have seen and heard things these past 13 days that will haunt me forever . . . the end is very near for her; we are talking hours now, not days. I will be so sad to see her go, but glad to know her suffering is over -- two opposite emotions that are hard to reconcile.
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Post by HA on Nov 13, 2004 5:46:58 GMT -5
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Post by no name on Nov 13, 2004 8:55:20 GMT -5
Thank you, and I will read through those suggested writings. In an effort to cope with this sudden event our family is going through, I've been doing a lot of reading these days about death and the dying process . . . My grandmother has been spiritually/emotionally ready (and quite willing) for death for a long time, but of course we weren't quite "prepared" for it all; I wish we had seen and understood the signs with my grandmother, but we just didn't know. And of course, death is a natural part of the life cycle; but somehow, dealing with the emotion of loss is still very difficult to work through . . .
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Post by botany on Nov 13, 2004 20:25:37 GMT -5
No Name, Watching my grandfather breathe his last breath and hearing the heart monitor do a continuous beep was perhaps one of the hardest things I've ever gone through. Leaving the gravesite was a very close second to watching him die. It will be 3 years ago in December that he died, and the loss is still felt deeply. Like your grandmother, he too was ready to die, and that made it much easier to handle. We could see it coming, but nothing prepares you for that final breath, and the still chest. All the memories of my grandfather turned infinitely sweet, beyond any measure. A month later, my wife's (we weren't married yet) grandfather died. But, she was in Spain at the time, and it was even harder for her. The guilt she felt, and still does, about being away when he died and feeling that she didn't tell him enough that she loved him is very hard for her. Calling her to tell her, and sitting at that funeral without my wife there was just as hard as my grandfather's death and funeral. From those two funerals, I have an incredible appreciation for going to visitations and funerals for other people. It meant the world to me seeing all the people come to my grandfather's and my wife's grandfather's visitations and funerals. My thoughts are with you, no name. andy
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Post by no name on Nov 13, 2004 21:08:26 GMT -5
No Name, Watching my grandfather breathe his last breath and hearing the heart monitor do a continuous beep was perhaps one of the hardest things I've ever gone through. Leaving the gravesite was a very close second to watching him die. It will be 3 years ago in December that he died, and the loss is still felt deeply. Like your grandmother, he too was ready to die, and that made it much easier to handle. We could see it coming, but nothing prepares you for that final breath, and the still chest. All the memories of my grandfather turned infinitely sweet, beyond any measure. A month later, my wife's (we weren't married yet) grandfather died. But, she was in Spain at the time, and it was even harder for her. The guilt she felt, and still does, about being away when he died and feeling that she didn't tell him enough that she loved him is very hard for her. Calling her to tell her, and sitting at that funeral without my wife there was just as hard as my grandfather's death and funeral. From those two funerals, I have an incredible appreciation for going to visitations and funerals for other people. It meant the world to me seeing all the people come to my grandfather's and my wife's grandfather's visitations and funerals. My thoughts are with you, no name. andy Thank you so very much for those words -- I am sitting here right now, so close to tears. What you said about your grandfather -- I know just what you mean; it is somewhat easier to handle when you know that the one you love is ready to die. That DOES bring about a bit of comfort, but I am having a hard time getting over the surprise of this . . . . I was telling my husband last night that now my memories of my grandmother are like a dream -- like they never happened, because she is suddenly going away from us. I want to reach out and grab onto those dream-like memories, because she won't be around any longer to create new memories for us. I don't know how to describe it. There is a part of me that wants to be with her when she passes, and I think I'm strong enough to "deal" with it, but there's another part of me that's terrified to watch it. There were several moments earlier this week that I thought I was about to watch her drown on her death rattle right in front of me . . . I know that watching her passing will be something I never forget it, but despite that, I want to be with her as long as she is still physically "alive", and I am saddened by the prospect that she may die alone, even though she seems to be totally unconscious. I can SO understand your wife's emotion regarding her grandfather; one of the things that saddens me the most is the thought that I took for granted that my grandmother would be around for awhile. And then, you torture yourself with thoughts that you didn't make the most of your time with a loved one. Like your wife, I feel like I didn't express my love for my grandmother often enough (though she does know I loved her). Over and over the thoughts jumble about; guilt, sadness, etc. I am going to miss her so much . . . . the memories of her last days before she went to the hospital are so sad for me because she was in so much pain, and we just didn't know what was wrong with her. Sorry to go on like this; the doctor told us today that we only have hours left now, and he would be surprised if she made it through tomorrow. Thank you again for sharing your experiences and your thoughtful words.
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Post by Sky To No Name on Nov 20, 2004 11:18:01 GMT -5
Thank you so very much for those words -- I am sitting here right now, so close to tears. What you said about your grandfather -- I know just what you mean; it is somewhat easier to handle when you know that the one you love is ready to die. That DOES bring about a bit of comfort, but I am having a hard time getting over the surprise of this . . . . Dear Noname, We do not agree on some things, but when it comes to death. It is nothing but normal. God does not fear our death. If we get to afraid of it we are not trusting God. Following Jesus "can" bring us to our death. When we turn from our own will to God's will like he did. His forty days and forty nights in the wilderness tempted by Satan and taught and sustained by the Holy Ghost of God is part of being "Born again" to me. Satan gets real nasty when people are turned to God. Fear is of the flesh and is one of Satan's ways of keeping us from God and his Truth. Fear nothing.....But God It is good to fear God, but he does not want us to be afraid of him and his plans for us, lets give God a chance I was telling my husband last night that now my memories of my grandmother are like a dream -- like they never happened, because she is suddenly going away from us. I want to reach out and grab onto those dream-like memories, because she won't be around any longer to create new memories for us. I don't know how to describe it. There is a part of me that wants to be with her when she passes, and I think I'm strong enough to "deal" with it, but there's another part of me that's terrified to watch it. There were several moments earlier this week that I thought I was about to watch her drown on her death rattle right in front of me . . . I know that watching her passing will be something I never forget it, but despite that, I want to be with her as long as she is still physically "alive", and I am saddened by the prospect that she may die alone, even though she seems to be totally unconscious. I can SO understand your wife's emotion regarding her grandfather; one of the things that saddens me the most is the thought that I took for granted that my grandmother would be around for awhile. And then, you torture yourself with thoughts that you didn't make the most of your time with a loved one. Like your wife, I feel like I didn't express my love for my grandmother often enough (though she does know I loved her). Over and over the thoughts jumble about; guilt, sadness, etc. I am going to miss her so much . . . . the memories of her last days before she went to the hospital are so sad for me because she was in so much pain, and we just didn't know what was wrong with her. Sorry to go on like this; the doctor told us today that we only have hours left now, and he would be surprised if she made it through tomorrow. Thank you again for sharing your experiences and your thoughtful words.
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Post by no name on Nov 20, 2004 12:24:20 GMT -5
I just now found your response in the middle of your post. Thanks for writing. I know what you are saying here, and I agree. As a young(er) person with a young family and young children, I haven't yet reached the point that I am reconciled with death, even though I fully understand and realize that it is a natural part of life itself. I guess my worst battle with this whole issue is leaving loved ones behind -- it seems to me that as one grows older, they become more accepting of death; in fact, they are ready and quite willing for it; just like my grandmother was. I haven't yet reached that point; if I am diagnosed with an illness, at this stage of my life, I will fight to survive, because I am young (well, I still feel "young" at 33) and I am not "ready" to die (with regards to my natural life). I am sure that my outlook on this will change as I approach the "twilight of my life". And while death is a natural part of life, it still does not help ease the sorrow over the loss of a loved one -- a normal sentiment, in my opinion. I know my grandmother is in a better place now, but I still miss her terribly.
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Post by Sky on Nov 20, 2004 14:37:45 GMT -5
I just now found your response in the middle of your post. Thanks for writing. I know what you are saying here, and I agree. As a young(er) person with a young family and young children, I haven't yet reached the point that I am reconciled with death, even though I fully understand and realize that it is a natural part of life itself. I guess my worst battle with this whole issue is leaving loved ones behind -- it seems to me that as one grows older, they become more accepting of death; in fact, they are ready and quite willing for it; just like my grandmother was. I haven't yet reached that point; if I am diagnosed with an illness, at this stage of my life, I will fight to survive, because I am young (well, I still feel "young" at 33) and I am not "ready" to die (with regards to my natural life). I am sure that my outlook on this will change as I approach the "twilight of my life". And while death is a natural part of life, it still does not help ease the sorrow over the loss of a loved one -- a normal sentiment, in my opinion. I know my grandmother is in a better place now, but I still miss her terribly. Christian families are very blessed to go thru life with Jesus as a plumb line. Knowing God does love you makes it possible to face anything he has planned for you. Thats great you love your grandmother so much. Love is a wonderous thing.
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Post by Sylvestra on Nov 30, 2004 12:28:54 GMT -5
Dear No Name,
I have been catching up on the Board reading this AM and came across this thread.
I want to add my thoughts and prayers for you and your comfort today. Right now the feeling of finality and just "nothing" being there may be very evident -- that feeling of nothing to grab on to that seems real. From my own experience, I know that the memories of those who have passed are sweeter and sweeter as the years go forward.
With love in Him, Edy
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