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Post by Cindi on Oct 28, 2004 0:06:40 GMT -5
Laura Bush smiled and waved to my husband today - he got a big kick out of it. Quite a procession, the motorcade was.
He said she has a great smile.
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Post by ts ts ts on Oct 28, 2004 2:19:52 GMT -5
Laura Bush smiled and waived to my husband today - he got a big kick out of it. Quite a procession, the motorcade was. He said she has a great smile. A big kick or a big p r i c k ! Maybe a big d i c k !
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Post by Just Here on Oct 28, 2004 7:19:49 GMT -5
Laura Bush smiled and waived to my husband today - he got a big kick out of it. Quite a procession, the motorcade was. He said she has a great smile. I wonder which of his rights she waived as she drove by. I knew the Bush administration was taking away rights but to have them waived in a drive-by just seems going a little too far. We need to stop this waiving of rights by the wives of elected officials!
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Post by Cindi on Oct 30, 2004 19:28:44 GMT -5
It's a shame that some of you have to make a negitive or nasty issue out of something totally innocent.
All I said was that she has a very nice smile. You all need to take a time out, and stop thinking so nasty.
Present - you are entitled to your opinion of elected officials.
The procession and motorcade was a fun thing to watch, and getting a big smile and a wave from the first lady of our country - who, by the way is a lovely woman, made my husbands day.
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Post by Just Here on Oct 31, 2004 7:53:37 GMT -5
It's a shame that some of you have to make a negitive or nasty issue out of something totally innocent. Cindi, you need to lighten up. If all you said was she had a nice smile I wouldn't have commented. I am wondering - does a nice smile get the vote? Thank you. I guess that was a right that was not waived! On the surface she may seem to be a lovely woman. Seeing someone drive by in a motorcade - seems like a rather superficial judgement. If you had used the word 'wave' instead of 'waive' in the initial post I would not have made the joke.
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Post by Cindi on Oct 31, 2004 10:49:25 GMT -5
Present - I made a typo. Waved is what I ment to type, my fault for going too fast and not checking before I sent it. I don't think I need to lighten up, thanks. I was not refering to your comments when I said to take a time out, but to the poster who said "A big kick or a big p r i c k ! Maybe a big d i c k !", which I did find uncalled for. They took something innocent and tried to make it nasty. It wasn't about finding Laura sexually appealing, simply that she had a genuine smile. Your pun on my wording was fine, as I said you are entitled to your opinion. As to your wondering if a smile gets our votes - that is as stupid as basing your vote on what your neighbor says. And if you were to base a vote totally on the smile of potential first ladys - then yes, Laura definately has my vote, as I have RARELY seen Teresa Heinz Kerry with a smile. Has nothing to do with politics, only fact. Laura may not seem "genuine" to you. I like her charm, and I don't see her smile as fake. My opinion, of course, and you have yours. Lets just agree that we disagree on some things and that I don't always spell so good. Peace, Cindi
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Post by Bertine Louise on Oct 31, 2004 18:57:47 GMT -5
I think Laura's charming too, seems like a very nice lady. Actually, she's one of the few things (if not only thing) I like about Bush!
But being the nice and decent lady she is, she is also a bit boring, a bit too picture perfect to my taste. I would love to see Teresa as America's first multi lingual First Lady... Even though her hair and make up isn't as flawless as Laura's, she has a strong mind of her own, and I feel she really will keep Kerry sharp. She's critical of him. She's honest too, she won't smile when she doesn't feel like it and refuses to claim her husband will make it nov 2nd.
From what I've seen and read from her, I think she rocks!
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Post by Dam Rotter on Oct 31, 2004 19:12:51 GMT -5
Bertine, I think you're trying to say "She's got aura over Laura ?"
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Post by no name on Oct 31, 2004 21:06:34 GMT -5
Uh huh. If Kerry is elected, Teresa would not be "America's first multi-lingual First Lady". Cindi -- I'm glad Laura made your husband's day -- Laura seems to be a great lady. She may seem "boring" to some people, but I'd wager she's more mentally grounded, too; I'd definitely prefer that type of first lady over a loose cannon like Teresa any day.
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Post by Ahh yes on Oct 31, 2004 23:16:16 GMT -5
She may seem "boring" to some people, but I'd wager she's more mentally grounded, too; I'd definitely prefer that type of first lady over a loose cannon like Teresa any day. Pablum is good. Strained oatmeal too. Mentally grounded? Just what does that mean? Teresa is a loose cannon? Does that mean she thinks for herself, has her own opinions, and speaks her mind?
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Post by Cindi on Nov 1, 2004 0:45:32 GMT -5
Just a reminder for those who don't take the time to read up before making statements about our First Ladies. There are many who have spoken more than English. I have only posted a few.
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Mary Todd Lincoln - When France's Prince Bonaparte visited the United States, Mary spoke with him in perfect French.
Louisa Adams - She spoke French fluently, and was the only first lady who was not born in the United States. She was born in London to an English mother and American father.was an artist and played the harp and piano.
Lou Henry Hoover was one of the best educated of the first ladies. She spoke five languages and when she enrolled at Stanford University in 1894 she was the first woman to major in geology there.
Rose Elizabeth Clevland - She played the piano, spoke French and German, read Latin -- she was a voracious reader -- and enjoyed photography
Jackie Kennedy - After being named "Debutante of the Year" for the 1947-48 season, she was educated at Miss Porter's School, Vassar College and George Washington University, and spent time studying in France. She spoke French and Spanish fluently. She also spoke Greek.
Laura Bush speaks Spanish.
There are many others who spoke languages other than our native tongue.
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Post by Bertine Louise on Nov 1, 2004 9:28:56 GMT -5
Ok, ok, ok i may have been guilty of prejudice lol. No, i did not take the time to research First Ladies, but you can imagine my enthusiasm when I read that Teresa was a professional linguist and worked as an interpreter for the UN. I still think she's unique.
I think she has a very broad view, in a worldwise sense with her international background, and also politically with her republican history. I think those are great assets for a First Lady.
She's wont typically stare at her husband in adoration when he gives a speech and support everything he says and does, but she will be true to her own mind. She will be very critical of Kerry, and I think that might be her best trait as a First Lady.
It's sad how she often gets demonised so cheaply. Many refer to her dollars without thinking of the good work she does with it. In recognition of her philanthropy and activism, she has received ten honorary doctorate degrees! She also was awarded the Albert Schweitzer Gold Medal for Humanitarianism in 2003, and elected as a fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences.
When you read interviews with her you can't deny her intelligence and wisdom.
This is what she said in response to why she didn't run for the senate after her husband died, but preferred her work for the Heinz foundation:
"Today's most creative thinking is not happening in Washington. Today, political campaigns are the graveyard of real ideas and the birthplace of empty promises."
How true that is. She doesn't like political campaigns so that's why you hardly see her smiling these days!
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Post by MG on Nov 1, 2004 20:46:17 GMT -5
Teresa is a loose cannon? Does that mean she thinks for herself, has her own opinions, and speaks her mind? Yeah, like some of the independent-minded, intelligent, outspoken women posting on here!
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Post by no name on Nov 3, 2004 9:56:15 GMT -5
Oh, wow -- that's just SO awful to have love and respect for one's husband, and to show it in public. Man, how terrible!!
And how, may I ask, do you happen to KNOW that Laura supports EVERYTHING Bush says and does, and that she's NOT true to her own mind? Your access to info on our first lady is limited and/or biased by your choice of news sources. Laura has expressed herself in disagreement with various things Bush has said/done -- she just doesn't make a butt out of herself doing it.
Oh, sure -- THAT's just what we need -- a first lady that acts like a tail-hole, every time she disagrees with her husband. Uh -- no -- that is not a "best trait as First Lady".
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Post by An idea on Nov 3, 2004 10:17:22 GMT -5
Oh, sure -- THAT's just what we need -- a first lady that acts like a tail-hole, every time she disagrees with her husband. Uh -- no -- that is not a "best trait as First Lady". Then what we need is just a little statue of the first lady with its head on a spring that will just continue to nod in agreement - oh wait - that's what we have. A nice smile on a lap-dog that is always in agreement.
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Post by no name on Nov 3, 2004 10:50:18 GMT -5
I know -- the loss of a potential first lady like Teresa must be really, really hard to take. So hard to swallow, in fact, that Laura Bush is villified -- for being polite and respectful, rather than acting like a woman on perpetual PMS.
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Post by Bertine Louise on Nov 3, 2004 10:51:31 GMT -5
Oh, wow -- that's just SO awful to have love and respect for one's husband, and to show it in public. Man, how terrible!! And how, may I ask, do you happen to KNOW that Laura supports EVERYTHING Bush says and does, and that she's NOT true to her own mind? Your access to info on our first lady is limited and/or biased by your choice of news sources. Laura has expressed herself in disagreement with various things Bush has said/done -- she just doesn't make a butt out of herself doing it. Oh, sure -- THAT's just what we need -- a first lady that acts like a tail-hole, every time she disagrees with her husband. Uh -- no -- that is not a "best trait as First Lady". No Name don't get so worked up for peace;s sake geeze! lol All I was saying that Teresa seems different to me and I think she's cooler than Laura! So what? I don't have anything against Laura, she just seems scripted and dull but I don't blame her for that. She fits the picture what is what many people like, I just like people that are different. Laura is nice, but Teresa rocks! She is very smart and critical! ;D Which IS good PS: I get tired of accusations about my 'newssources'. There's hardly anything on Teresa on european tv i get most my news from internet and that's open to everyone
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Post by no name on Nov 3, 2004 11:51:09 GMT -5
Rather than "rocks" -- she definitely seems off her rocker . . .
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Post by Cindi on Nov 3, 2004 12:41:34 GMT -5
I look forward to seeing Lauras lovely smile for another 4 years - ;D
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Post by Brick on Nov 3, 2004 17:26:30 GMT -5
Amen to that. And I'll be glad to be rid of John Edward's trial lawyer diatribes denigrating everything Republican.
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Post by not a fair trade on Nov 3, 2004 17:51:18 GMT -5
Amen to that. And I'll be glad to be rid of John Edward's trial lawyer diatribes denigrating everything Republican. Do you think the utterences of Bush are a fair trade for the speeches of Edwards? Perhaps - When Bush speaks we make a game out of trying to decide what he was saying. The one who guesses closer to the actual number of made up words he uses is the winner.
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Post by Bertine Louise on Nov 3, 2004 18:08:37 GMT -5
I know -- the loss of a potential first lady like Teresa must be really, really hard to take. So hard to swallow, in fact, that Laura Bush is villified -- for being polite and respectful, rather than acting like a woman on perpetual PMS. Egg-scuse me?? Nobody is 'villifying' Laura Bush here! If anyone is getting villified its Teresa! In this thread alone you suggest she is not mentally grounded, state she makes a butt out of herself, acts like a tail-hole and like a woman on perpetual PMS, and claims she's off her rocker..... sheesh... could have fooled me you'd be a Laura fan based on her politeness and respect!
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Post by no name on Nov 3, 2004 19:24:44 GMT -5
Egg-scuse me?? Nobody is 'villifying' Laura Bush here! Right. She's called "boring", "a bit too picture perfect" (as if there's something WRONG with that), insinuating that there's something WRONG with being respectful of one's husband in public, insinuating that there's something WRONG with showing affection while looking at one's husband, insinuating that she isn't true to her own mind, that she's a lap-dog that is always in agreement, that we need a statue of the first lady with hear head on a spring, always nodding in agreement, that she's scripted and dull . . . Teresa opens herself up to great speculation by the very strange and odd comments and behavior that she has exhibited during the campaign. This is not just me talking, either -- she has earned a reputation (not just among conservatives) for being a loose cannon -- She was even hidden away for awhile because the more she opened her mouth, the more it hurt her husband. Laura Bush, on the other hand, has not made a spectacle of herself -- yet she receives derogatory comments because she doesn't act out. I like Laura; she's great and graceful -- and not as apt as myself to bite back when something strikes her wrong.. Even North Carolina was glad to be rid of John Edwards -- not only did NC NOT go for Kerry/Edwards, but another Republican (Burr) took Edwards' Senate seat.
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Post by Bertine Louise on Nov 3, 2004 19:40:32 GMT -5
Calm down No Name... Yes I have said she seems boring, picture perfect and scripted, but i do NOT claim that is wrong! I said I LIKED her person. But nice persons in the media are boring! Whatever you think of Teresa, she is not boring! And she IS intelligent. I think a lot of the stories around her are spun out of context by the Bush campaign and their have been some vicious attacks in the media. The reporter she told to 'shove it' belonged to a newspaper that accused her of having lesbian affairs and links to militant islam organisations! I'm not sad having to look at Laura Bush for another 4 years. At least it's always interesting to see what she's wearing this time! lol But at the same time I would have loved to see how Teresa would do, I think she could bring a great contribution. You see, you don't have to slam one or the other You better get used to some criticism on your country and President, that's what makes democracies great. And pullease stop imagining that anti bushies american or non american do not care about the US's safety. Becos we DO care! We didn't support Iraq becos we didn't believe it was a threat to the US like Bush told us. Do you honestly think that you would not get support if the perception of an imminent threat to the US was shared?!
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Post by no name on Nov 3, 2004 20:14:27 GMT -5
Sure -- it makes Democracy great. It's also great that I have the freedom to slam back when I believe someone is wrong about their perception of our country. Bertine, please stop imagining that every anti-Bush person actually DOES care about the U.S.'s safety. Believe it or not, there ARE people who hate the U.S. to such a degree that they want us to be weakened. Some people in our own country have some kind of strange guilt about the fact that our country is a superpower; they want us weaker -- they don't appreciate or understand the force for good the U.S. has been in the world, and they seek to villify their own country at every turn. This most often occurs on the extreme LEFT -- this is why I totally disagree with almost every political stance of many leftists (in addition to the fact that many of their stances hold too much potential to significantly weaken us as a society and a nation). YOU don't believe it was a threat -- but I'm sorry, with Saddam's history (and the history of all brutal tyrants that have been ignored all too long by the world), he was definitely NOT an element that could be trusted. He was a WMD against his own people for goodness' sake, he had invaded his neighbor already, he'd used WMDs in the past, was showing the same old signs of deception with the inspectors, was planning to be up to no good once sanctions were lifted, was buying off our so-called allies to oppose us, AND he and the Militant Islamics shared a mutual hatred of the U.S. (the enemy of my enemy is my friend), not to mention other connections between his regime and terrorism. Now, looking at all that (especially after 9/11), I see a clear threat and therefore hold fast to the knowledge that the action in Iraq was justified and totally the right thing to do. Too bad it took us too doggone long. Sometimes -- yes. Absolutely. (And btw, we supposedly had more "support" when we acted against Saddam in 1991 -- when there was not an imminent threat directly against our safety; additionally, we had more "support" when we acted (without UN approval) in Bosnia -- when there was NO threat to us at all. So in many ways, the level of support depends on who we have as President. Some people and other nations don't appreciate Bush as a strong and determined leader (in other words, they don't like it that he's not an appeaser), and that he's a man of faith.) I definitely think the level of hatred that some people have for the U.S. is such that some people actually WANT us to fall. And despite what you say, the entire "world" was NOT behind our action in Afghanistan. There was plenty of protest against us even then.
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Post by Bertine Louise on Nov 3, 2004 20:57:15 GMT -5
Bertine, please stop imagining that every anti-Bush person actually DOES care about the U.S.'s safety. Believe it or not, there ARE people who hate the U.S. to such a degree that they want us to be weakened. Some people in our own country have some kind of strange guilt about the fact that our country is a superpower; they want us weaker -- they don't appreciate or understand the force for good the U.S. has been in the world, and they seek to villify their own country at every turn. Hey, I'm talking for myself and some others on these fora of whom i know DO care for the US. And it's us you're dealing and debating with. There is valid critisism coming from people who actually do care that shouldn't be dismissed. The thing with superpowers is that they can do many great things, but also easily cause a lot of damage even if they don't mean to. I like the elephant metaphor. I think the US has irritated a lot of people becos of the arrogant position they often keep. There are Americans who don't even deny they are arrogant and think it's some patriottistic virtue or whatever. Some modesty would sometimes definately be helpful. You shouldn't mix up left with extreme left. No one likes extremes. But the left actually has some good ideas, just like the (moderate) right has. I think a great democracy consists of the exchanging of ideas of different parties. Look we're not talking about the justifications for invading Iraq here. If you believe it's justified, fine. But don't go blaming us for not supporting you when we don't believe invading Iraq was sensible. It depends on the circumstances. People didn't like Bush, mainly becos of his Iraq policy, and that's it period. Now don't start nitpicking. There will always be the pacifists and some other forms of opposition to invading Afghanistan. But I think that opposition is irrelevant compared to the support you did have.
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Post by question on Nov 3, 2004 21:28:46 GMT -5
Then why did you support John Kerry?
He is the most liberal person in the senate!
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Post by Bertie on Nov 3, 2004 21:43:44 GMT -5
Then why did you support John Kerry?
He is the most liberal person in the senate! He's still not on the extreme left. He also has taken stands that didn't correspond with his party. He might be more moderate than Bush is. There are republicans who think Bush is too extreme. Kerry's not extreme left from my point of view. The political scale is a bit different where I come from. He would be on the right in the dutch system.
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