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Post by face it on Oct 2, 2004 18:29:20 GMT -5
The French won't support us in Afghanistan or Iraq. But they expect us to save their butts if they are attacked. This has been going on LONG before Iraq. France wouldn't even allow us to cross their soil when we bombed Libya in 1986. US soldiers were a constant presence in West Germany in case the Soviets crossed the Berlin Wall and attacked them. What thanks did America get? None. US is the leader of the free world and the only nation over 200 million people that is both rich and free! Europeans need to appreciate America and support America!
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Post by botany on Oct 3, 2004 1:05:10 GMT -5
*yaaaawwnn* Huh, what was that? I dozed off during your tirade. andy
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Post by Bertine Louise on Oct 3, 2004 10:29:45 GMT -5
The French won't support us in Afghanistan or Iraq. But they expect us to save their butts if they are attacked. This has been going on LONG before Iraq. France wouldn't even allow us to cross their soil when we bombed Libya in 1986. US soldiers were a constant presence in West Germany in case the Soviets crossed the Berlin Wall and attacked them. What thanks did America get? None. US is the leader of the free world and the only nation over 200 million people that is both rich and free! Europeans need to appreciate America and support America! There's no need to whine, of course Europeans are thankful for America's help, and others (like Canada who liberated my part of the country in WWII) That doesn't mean Europeans have to support every US war when they don't believe in it! And btw, what do you need us for, the US currently thinks it can do evrything by themselves no matter what everyone else thinks! America lost a lot of respect in the world since Bush is in charge. So if you want it back, you should know what you have to do on November 2!
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Post by Lives in the USA on Oct 3, 2004 11:09:32 GMT -5
Yes, dont vote for Kerry. He's a change my mind and forgot what I just said kind of guy who actually has NO plan. (Oh, except to raise taxes)
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Post by K on Oct 3, 2004 11:51:52 GMT -5
Bertine, I resent you running down our country or president. You take care of netherlands and we will take care of US. You aren't a registered voter.
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Post by Bertine Louise on Oct 3, 2004 13:34:30 GMT -5
That'll do if you vote for Nader! lol I might have been harsh in my critique, but that's my right, right? We let you trample on the French as much as you like too;) Nope, I'm not a registered voter, so don't you worry bout a thing:) But at the moment I find it very fascinating what's going on in in the US so surely we can have a discussion about it, even if it isn't directly my business? Well, if the American president is supposed to be the world's leader - hey! this is my world too!
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Post by Robb Klaty on Oct 3, 2004 14:58:55 GMT -5
No, just the opposite... America is far more respected, although probably less liked as a result of Bush policy. Don't confuse respect with popularity.
Some generalizations for the day: Clinton was liked but not respected... Bush is respected but not liked. Our feminine sides prefer to be liked... our masculine sides prefer to be respected.
Robb
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Post by HA on Oct 3, 2004 16:51:48 GMT -5
My little knowledge of American History shows that Americans once requested and got a lot of help from the French - they may even owe them a part of their Idependence.
As for the slogans about Europeans expecting Americans to save them during WWII it was said that this WWII was sponsored by Coca-Cola and other American companies in iview of increasing their markets.
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Post by K on Oct 3, 2004 19:51:04 GMT -5
Zaraqawi's thugs have beheaded people from other countries as well. If you support this evil practice, you suck. Whoever you are, you suck.
Koreans, Americans, British, Kuwaitis, Nepalese and others have suffered. Iraq needs to get over its isolation. Iraqi's economy would be in better shape if these thugs were defeated. A nation needs to welcome foreigners and not try to bite the hands that feed them.
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Post by Robb Klaty on Oct 3, 2004 21:46:35 GMT -5
Are you sure Haliburton wasn't involved? Robb ;D
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Post by Just Here on Oct 3, 2004 22:37:11 GMT -5
No, just the opposite... America is far more respected, although probably less liked as a result of Bush policy. Don't confuse respect with popularity. The reports that I have read would not support your conclusion. The polls taken do not support your statement. Other than your chauvinism, do you have anything to back up your statements? I trust you are not using that much circulated eRumor of the Marine honor guard showing more respect for President Bush than for President Clinton.
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Post by Just Here on Oct 3, 2004 22:51:48 GMT -5
US is the leader of the free world and the only nation over 200 million people that is both rich and free! Let's see. How many nations have population over 200 million? So your claim to America's greatness is because the people here are better off than China or India? Why? What is the downside? America needs to earn the resoect of the rest of the world. You cannot force respect. You do not gain respect by acting alone and against the vast majority of the world. You do not gain respect by having a president who is a laughing stock to the rest of the world.
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Post by amen on Oct 3, 2004 23:25:33 GMT -5
you are right on target. Have to earn respect not force it.
On the Bush Clinton thing. I'd trust Bush over Clinton to watch my kids (if i had some) for the afternoon, but Clinton over Bush to run the country.
Takes a big man to never admit he was wrong about anything.
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Post by Robb Klaty on Oct 3, 2004 23:50:07 GMT -5
Libya.
Robb
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Post by Robb Klaty on Oct 3, 2004 23:53:16 GMT -5
I don't know what you are talking about, however I noticed that you didn't disagree with my generalization.
Robb
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Post by Robb Klaty on Oct 3, 2004 23:58:30 GMT -5
This may be a typical liberal euro opinion... it is obviously not the opinion of the govt of Libya. ;D
Is Saddam laughing?
Robb
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Post by Just Here on Oct 4, 2004 9:25:46 GMT -5
Very close to the answer I have come to expect when asking for backup for opinions. There have been a number of email rumors talking about the marines and their method of saluting that was said to show how they did not respect Clinton but did respect Bush. Your post was very close to the erumor that has been discounted in numerous places. For the record - I disagree completely. I think Bush has lost the respect of many leaders and, for countries where it matters, the respect of the general population. The leaders where the people's votes count should listen to the citizens and act in accordance to their wishes. The citizens, on the other hand, can replace the leader if this is not the case. November will tell what the US citizens think about their leader. Bill Clinton is not the leader of the US so whether people respect him now or not is a moot point. Acting unilaterally and then announcing to the world that talking to the leaders before taking action is a waste of time seems like the roadmap for gaining respect. More to the point - Is bin Laden laughing? Oh right. We don't know. He is not longer of importance to Bush. Saddam might be laughing. The US has gone to Iraq, toppled the government, increased the number of terrorists in the country, solidified the extremists to work in unison against the US, and in the process lost the support of most of the countries in the world. He may be thinking that he has taken a bullet for the team.
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Post by Libya on Oct 4, 2004 17:47:06 GMT -5
It could be that Libya saw there was $$$ in it for them for giving up there program.
Naw must have been respect for Bush.
Follow the $$ and you will get to the source more often then not.
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Post by Robb Klaty on Oct 4, 2004 18:01:17 GMT -5
Team?? You seem to be suggesting that there is a connection between Saddam and terrorists. I wonder if John Kerry would agree. Kerry's answer would of course be: YES! NO! MAYBE! Robb ;D
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Post by k on Oct 10, 2004 13:44:29 GMT -5
In Europe, nationalism has been replaced by international organizations. The Common Market, EU etc. People want to remove "barriers" to trade and interaction.
Most European nations have reached their pinacle of greatness. They have allowed their colonies to become independent.
A bunch of leftist intellectuals sitting around an open air resturant in Brussells or Paris badmouthing America because Americans will use force in the world to achieve their objective.
Universities are breeding grounds for leftist ideology. Look at the French-they never support America yet gallons of US blood was spilt on their nation in the 1940s so the Nazis could have been driven out of France. Those silly leftist youth in Paris aren't worthy of the US blood shed after D Day. France sucks. France is no ally of America.
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