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Post by Geoff on Nov 13, 2007 9:16:40 GMT -5
Research in several places has recently shown that anonymous posting to boards, (such as this, and more popular ones like facebook bebo etc) cannot be trusted. In the main, thse posts are scurrilous, rumourmongering, agitating and untrue, and in intent are designed to aggravate others.
In another thread on this board a similar thought was expressed.
Its said that compulsory registration slows down the traffic. That is undoubtedly true. It mainly slows down the vexatious stuff, and thats no bad thing. It cuts out the rubbish that some post merely for entertainment, to see what reaction outrageous stuff prompts.
Some people say that some have legitimate reasons for remaining anonymous. In general I don't accept that as true. There are a few specific cases, but there are ways of avoiding the problems that some say revealing identity would cause.
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Post by heal on Nov 13, 2007 9:19:56 GMT -5
To Geoff I agree with you Geoff if only everyone was forced to register I say fine I never had a problem with registration but I am not going to sit neither on a dead site as thou I had something when all the action is over here?
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Post by timber on Nov 13, 2007 10:00:11 GMT -5
Well... I guess I can't be trusted. Ok, I guess I can see your point.
In that case, I recant all of the posts that I've made under this handle in the past 3 years, and I'll be moving along.
The best to all of you as you continue in your spiritual journies..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2007 10:20:19 GMT -5
Don't leave because you are not trusted timber. The truth is, few if any here are trusted and rightly so. This is a discussion board, not a trust board so words have to be evaluated on their own, not the person. Nonetheless, your posts are valuable here. Anonymity allows a site like this to reflect real life. The anon posters, even if they are trying to stir up trouble or post something deceiving, are being "themselves". In our daily lives we have troublemakers and deceivers around us all the time, but they typically try to hide whereas on a forum like this they are fairly easy to spot. Anon posters do add an entertainment element which does attract readership, even serious readers who are looking for more than entertainment. Most serious readers like to have a little fun too. Personally, I like to see people as they are, not as I would like them to be, so anonymity is not an issue with me at all. I think most posters here have already had enough of others practicing behaviour modification on them in the church setting and don't need more of it here. Well... I guess I can't be trusted. Ok, I guess I can see your point. In that case, I recant all of the posts that I've made under this handle in the past 3 years, and I'll be moving along. The best to all of you as you continue in your spiritual journies..
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Post by Scott Ross on Nov 13, 2007 11:05:52 GMT -5
Howdy, I'm with clearday on this one, but I understand what Geoff is getting at also. Some people say that some have legitimate reasons for remaining anonymous. In general I don't accept that as true. There are a few specific cases, but there are ways of avoiding the problems that some say revealing identity would cause.I think that one of the issues here is not that there is really a NEED to be anonymous so much that there is a PERCEPTION of that need. I have had several people contact me by regular email because they do not want to post here on the TMB. Partly this is due to the fact that even though the only person who would have access to their email address is the administrator, there is the added possibility that the administrator might share that info with others. Also, if one is new to reading here they do not know what to think in regards to privacy issues. An example of this is our new poster that goes by the name of 'gem'. I think this person will soon realize the benefits of posting as a registered member here, and will want to 'lock up' her name so others cannot use it. Some of these people DO have legitimate reasons for anonymity due to the positions they hold within the F&W church. I read here for a couple of weeks before deciding to join the board as a registered member. Those who choose to remain as anonymous posters are missing out on the added benefit of meeting new friends through the use of PM's here on the board. Probably 90% of what I share is done 'off board' with those I have met here. My life has been enriched through these private correspondences far beyond anything I could have imagined before posting here on the TMB. As far as the anonymous posters stirring things up, yes they certainly do at times. So do some of the registered posters on occasion. I have noticed that at fairly regular intervals we will get a well articulated anonymous thread started by someone who has a 'dire' need in their life. A spouse learning the truth about the 'truth', a worker affecting someone's life, someone targeting a youngster with information. (not an 'anonymous' poster this time) Those of us who try to reach out to others when they are in need post our feelings and do what we can to help this possibly fictional character and scenario. That's what Christians do. I sometimes picture some rubberhead smirking in front of a glowing computer screen laughing at us for responding to being manipulated. But..... What if it is the real deal and we don't respond? (we could always get out the popcorn I suppose and have some laughs....) Anyhow, I have nothing against anonymous posters. I do have an issue with stupid people who deliberately do stupid things however. Doesn't matter if they are registered or not.... Scott
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Post by posting anonymously on Nov 13, 2007 11:25:06 GMT -5
Research in several places has recently shown that anonymous posting to boards, (such as this, and more popular ones like facebook bebo etc) cannot be trusted. In the main, thse posts are scurrilous, rumourmongering, agitating and untrue, and in intent are designed to aggravate others. In another thread on this board a similar thought was expressed. Its said that compulsory registration slows down the traffic. That is undoubtedly true. It mainly slows down the vexatious stuff, and thats no bad thing. It cuts out the rubbish that some post merely for entertainment, to see what reaction outrageous stuff prompts. Some people say that some have legitimate reasons for remaining anonymous. In general I don't accept that as true. There are a few specific cases, but there are ways of avoiding the problems that some say revealing identity would cause. Since you can register with throw-away email addresses there is no way the address can lead back to you. But we know there are people who have more than one name they use (ranman comes to mind) so what difference does registering make? You still don't know who is who. If you wans a registered only board you can visit the PMB: p221.ezboard.com/bcommonground73662This board started because, even though people don't admit it they like the hit and run posts.
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Post by I Once on Nov 13, 2007 11:28:54 GMT -5
Was registered. I left the truth for doctrine or lack of reasons. I posted for some time before deciding to register. I blocked all info and still used a alias. I have many family members in the truth church who I did not want have alieanated from me.
Once registered I received many PMs. As it turned out some were not who they pretended to be. They in presented as those who were in empathy with me but once I revealed who I was then off to the real Emails to the friends. As such I was damned by many who I wanted to remain friends with. Deception abounds on this forum. My personal experience leads me to believe that there is more deception in the form of 2x2's on this forum then those that left. Most of those that left the 2x2 don't really care anymore to hide.
For me anon is the only way to post. I also should use proxies since the wackers plant things to see what IPs are. A good social engineer can reverse lookup you to at least apoint of internet entry and from there may be able to find out who you are. I wish to remain anon. I will unless the wackers or the Admin reveal IPs which may or may not give information out that I do not want out.
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Post by Geoff on Nov 13, 2007 12:21:21 GMT -5
"Anonymity allows a site like this to reflect real life. The anon posters, even if they are trying to stir up trouble or post something deceiving, are being "themselves"."
I disagree with this. While it may sometimes be true that some reveal their real self from a position of anonymity, research shows that by far the majority of people who post anonymously do so in what for them would be a highly abnormal way.
Hiding behind the cloak of anonymity, the majority of them act outrageously, say things they'd never dream of saying if they were known, and even tell gross distorting lies about anything to get a reaction.
Anonymity breeds lies, distortion, antagonism and such.
But don't read into this the usual half thought through response that implies that I class ALL anonymous people this way. Life is not black and white, its a series of shades of grey. Its the majority I'm describing, not the whole universe.
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Post by gem on Nov 13, 2007 12:26:12 GMT -5
:)guess I should have read this thread first before I posted on "5 members 23 guests posting at this hour" this mg...first of all don't clump all anonymous posts(posters) can't be trusted into one group....I post as gem each time ..and my agenda here is not be inflammatory or obnoxious etc....what I post is how I genuinely feel about an issue...I would tell you the same thing if I was to meet you face to face...I feel right now more comfortable posting anonymously as gem for right now.. I still feel that those who are registered members would miss out on some very interesting posts from guests... And to TIMBER ...you haven't left have you? I for one enjoy your input...
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Post by gem not on Nov 13, 2007 12:32:18 GMT -5
one of the problems with always posting anonymously using the same name is that people could also post using that same name. This has been a problem in the past, and can lead to confusion Scotty
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Post by Hope For All on Nov 13, 2007 12:37:25 GMT -5
There is a big difference between an anonymous post and a post from an unregistered member. Anonymous posts come from every angle and IMHO usually are of the hit and run variety. On the other hand posts from unregistered members hold just as much water as those from registered members-provided the handles used are consistant. I have posted here for at least three years- always under the same name- HFA or Hope for All. But I am not and do not intend to register. Does that make my posts less credible?? One thing that bugs me is the superiority complex that some registered members have. Like your posts are more credible than those from unregistered members?? Yet you usually use names that are just as Anonymous as mine- so get off your high horses people. Peace, HFA
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Post by Scott Ross on Nov 13, 2007 12:42:32 GMT -5
Howdy HFA, I have posted here for at least three years- always under the same name- HFA or Hope for All. But I am not and do not intend to register. Does that make my posts less credible??No, it does not. One thing that bugs me is the superiority complex that some registered members have. Like your posts are more credible than those from unregistered members?? Yet you usually use names that are just as Anonymous as mine- so get off your high horses people. I agree with this statement, and as I have stated several times, I do not have an issue with people who wish to remain anonymous here. Scott
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Post by gem on Nov 13, 2007 12:50:44 GMT -5
Amen "Hope for All "
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Post by Scotty not on Nov 13, 2007 13:30:58 GMT -5
OK "gem not" I get your point!" gem
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Post by whatever the First on Nov 13, 2007 13:33:45 GMT -5
I was posting under the handle of "whatever" when I recently ran across a post where another "poster" used MY HANDLE, and their response was not akin to what my thinking would be.
So I suppose that is another reason that I need to register and get a "handle" that is mine and mine alone, so I am not confused with someone else.....
I am new to this board so wanted to be anonymous for a time until I could ascertain that there would be/will be some beneficial discussions/discourse on this board. I have not yet arrived at a decision, so, therefore, Mr. or Miss "whatever," please find your own handle and don't use mine !!! It is not like there is a shortage of handles available .....
Obviously in using mine it was a way to discredit anything prior I had said ......
Is there a method to disallow others to use your HANDLE?
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Post by whatever on Nov 13, 2007 13:43:40 GMT -5
I have posted on here anon for about a year now using various handles. WHATEVER is used a lot by different people. Can't you tell?
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Post by a new ny mouse on Nov 13, 2007 14:13:50 GMT -5
Even when you register you are anonymous. No one knows who you are other than admin. If there is more than one admin, they can only see your ip address but the main admin is the only one who has your email address. Admin can see all ip addresses registered or not. So you are anonymous to all whether you are registered or not.
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Post by Geoff on Nov 13, 2007 14:28:29 GMT -5
Those that allow anyone to see their email address, do not hide their real name and address - they are the truly not anonymous. I see few valid reasons why anyone would want to hide their identity.
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Post by wondering1 on Nov 13, 2007 14:44:48 GMT -5
Geoff - How do I know you are for real? Just because it says you are a "Full Member". That doesn't mean anything to me. And you tell me right now how you can tell if I am a person to be trusted or not just because I didn't log in under my registered site name. Get real man.
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Post by bunched up on Nov 13, 2007 15:03:53 GMT -5
Those that allow anyone to see their email address, do not hide their real name and address - they are the truly not anonymous. I see few valid reasons why anyone would want to hide their identity. If you wish to only be replied to by registered members, why don't you post exclusively in the registrared members board, that is on this same main board. I think you got your undies bunched up for naught, my friend. sometimes a catchy name on a post can evolve into a ''mood'' setter for the rest of the post....i nerver used this hamdle before, hey whoever I am , who really cares anyway...huh
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Post by Email adresses on Nov 13, 2007 15:12:52 GMT -5
Those that allow anyone to see their email address, do not hide their real name and address - they are the truly not anonymous. I see few valid reasons why anyone would want to hide their identity. Email addresses are free. There are services that provide disposable email addresses just for registering for sites like this. They are valid for 12 or 24 hours, you get the required information, and then even if they sell your email, no SPAM. I never understood why anyone would want their email made public when there are 'harvesters' that do nothing but collect email addresses to sell.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2007 15:35:39 GMT -5
Your research Geoff actually supports my view. Anon people do post in ways that are abnormal to them I agree, and that's just my point. The anon posters are play acting in their real life, but when they go anon, their true selves emerge. Frankly, I like that, even if those posters demonstrate that they are weird or whatever. "Anonymity allows a site like this to reflect real life. The anon posters, even if they are trying to stir up trouble or post something deceiving, are being "themselves"."I disagree with this. While it may sometimes be true that some reveal their real self from a position of anonymity, research shows that by far the majority of people who post anonymously do so in what for them would be a highly abnormal way. Hiding behind the cloak of anonymity, the majority of them act outrageously, say things they'd never dream of saying if they were known, and even tell gross distorting lies about anything to get a reaction. Anonymity breeds lies, distortion, antagonism and such. But don't read into this the usual half thought through response that implies that I class ALL anonymous people this way. Life is not black and white, its a series of shades of grey. Its the majority I'm describing, not the whole universe.
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Post by Would someone please on Nov 13, 2007 17:20:02 GMT -5
smash that BUG!!
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Post by Knot Me on Nov 13, 2007 17:23:24 GMT -5
This topic has been done to death over the years.
The conclusion is always the same.
This is the internet. Registered or unregistered, known or unknown, real name or fake name, old-timer or new arrival, take what you read with a pillar of salt.
But then what do I know, I'm an anonymous poster.
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Post by Peacekaker on Nov 13, 2007 18:00:53 GMT -5
Those that allow anyone to see their email address, do not hide their real name and address - they are the truly not anonymous. I see few valid reasons why anyone would want to hide their identity. If you wish to only be replied to by registered members, why don't you post exclusively in the registrared members board, that is on this same main board. I think you got your undies bunched up for naught, my friend. sometimes a catchy name on a post can evolve into a ''mood'' setter for the rest of the post....i nerver used this hamdle before, hey whoever I am , who really cares anyway...huh Do you mean geoff got his knickers in a twist? ;D
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Post by Peacemaker on Nov 13, 2007 18:05:34 GMT -5
I tried and very nearly broke my monitor screen; I'll try insecticide next time.
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Post by BaPa on Nov 13, 2007 18:13:10 GMT -5
Can anyone be trusted? And for what?
"He's the one, only one, the blessed, blessed Jesus, He's the one . . ."
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