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Post by scratch on Oct 18, 2007 12:06:26 GMT -5
Idolatry in Truth is so apparent, even on this board.
There are posters here who, rather than teaching, preaching, and rejoicing in Jesus Christ, spend their time singing the praises of and defending their religious organization and its various members.
A 2x2 poster here calls himself "GloryInTruth". Why is finding glory in a group of men preferable to finding glory in God or Jesus Christ?
Many things have been said here about the workers. The 2x2 here who come to the defense of the workers do so with the vigor of someone defending God himself. Since when has man, in any capacity, become synonymous with God?
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Post by Mary Lincoln on Oct 18, 2007 15:55:24 GMT -5
Idolatry in Truth is so apparent, even on this board. There are posters here who, rather than teaching, preaching, and rejoicing in Jesus Christ, spend their time singing the praises of and defending their religious organization and its various members. A 2x2 poster here calls himself "GloryInTruth". Why is finding glory in a group of men preferable to finding glory in God or Jesus Christ? Many things have been said here about the workers. The 2x2 here who come to the defense of the workers do so with the vigor of someone defending God himself. Since when has man, in any capacity, become synonymous with God? The hard cold truth is that MANKIND has thoroughly enjoyed the praise and worship of others; so you see; they have no motive whatsoever to CURB this type of behaviour. And if they were motivated to CURB it, would they have the backbone to stand up for true Truth and call a spade a spade? What say you? No, mankind is all out for vain glory, whether they be rock stars or presidents or clergymen. I think I speak of a truth here when I say this in all honesty. When was the last time you received an applause and disliked it? Or, when was the last time you received a compliment and replied: "Thank-you for the compliment, but I really cannot accept it because nobody should get compliments except God Himself, the Maker of all things wonderful."
Noooooooooooooooooo. No No No No No No No, we don't refuse compliments do we? Why not? Because the make us FEEL GOOD!!!!!!!!!! Especially if they come from someone we like. So , you see, idolatry: what is it really? Can you tell me this? No, you cannot, because there is a very fine line between admiration, strong admiration, cult following, and worship. Very very very very fine lines, you see. That's it in a moment. So the next time you even get wind that someone is starting to worship the ground you walk on , I would advise you on behalf of the SOTS committee for curbing idolatry to SQUELCH such notions and quench the desire to be IDOLIZED. Rock stars have groupies, do they not? Do the rock stars like it? Most of them do. They love the attention and thrive on it. Country stars have fans. Rock stars have groupies-cult followers.
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Oct 18, 2007 18:46:30 GMT -5
Idolatry in Truth is so apparent, even on this board. There are posters here who, rather than teaching, preaching, and rejoicing in Jesus Christ, spend their time singing the praises of and defending their religious organization and its various members. A 2x2 poster here calls himself "GloryInTruth". Why is finding glory in a group of men preferable to finding glory in God or Jesus Christ? Many things have been said here about the workers. The 2x2 here who come to the defense of the workers do so with the vigor of someone defending God himself. Since when has man, in any capacity, become synonymous with God? He didn't say "GloryinWorkers" now did he? Big difference. Truth is the name those in the f&w church refer to it by...as I'm sure you know. So...he is calling the religion "truth." and it IS his truth....if it's not yours,whatever, that's fine. But his name is very appropriate for him whether you care for it or not.... M. and...you must see no objection with the f&w calling it "truth" as you just did so yourself in the title of your thread. If not..what did you mean by that? ***aside from the "git" thing, GiT! ;D (another thread)
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Post by 2wtbwg on Oct 18, 2007 19:32:57 GMT -5
He didn't say "GloryinWorkers" now did he? Big difference. You couldn't be more wrong. Truth is the name of a religion, official or not. It is also used from time to time as a noun. But at this website which is about Truth (proper noun), the proper noun is the default. Truth is the religion. Workers are people in the religion. GloryInWorkers and GloryInTruth both portray taking glory in something manmade. You are correct. If he wants to take glory in his religion, that's his business. As for me, I prefer to glory in and worship my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. I agree. His religion has become his God. I would encourage him to reconsider the object of his affection. Actually, I dislike it because it causes confusion. "Truth" and "truth" are not interchangeable terms. One is a proper noun, the other is a noun, and the improper confusion of the two (often deliberate by those who prefer deception) is responsible for much of the conflict here. I think a lot of people use "truth" and "Truth" properly and do so because it's the language often spoken here. I don't know what you mean by this.
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Oct 19, 2007 1:52:13 GMT -5
Starting at the bottom...it was said in another thread that git is a derrogatory term overseas. I was just commenting to GIT about it. calling it Truth or truth is no different than referring to (oh who is that celeb..I can just see her..you know who I mean) who named her kid Apple..... referring to Apple and AN apple. They are both nouns, one is proper, but I doubt you will confuse them. Same here...if a friend or worker talks about the Truth you KNOW what they mean. It's simply said to be nitpicky when comments are made about it, as it really doesn't confuse anyone. Especially since most here are VERY familiar with the f&w church... we see many ex's referring to things like "the truth about the Truth." That is no different, and neither is inappropriate to me. We can agree to disagree. That his religion has become his God is your opinion of him and highly doubtful. Bear in mind though that it IS just an opinion and not true simply because you deem it to be. There is nothing wrong with glorying in religion. One definition is "a state of high honor." (I looked out of curiousity myself.) I hold religion in a state of high honor in my life..don't you? It doesnt' matter which CHURCH you attend, religion SHOULD have high honor in your life. and GIT calls the religion he belongs to Truth. GloryinTruth is a perfectly nice name, whether you agree with it in principle or not. Lastly, as to your first remark.... aren't all relgions manmade?? Is yours? If you attend a church, didn't someone start it at some point? I've already covered why I think his name is nice...so won't go there again. Just my opinions. We're all entitled, so again, we can agree to disagree. Mich
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2007 6:31:10 GMT -5
quote - "Idolatry in Truth is so apparent, even on this board."
Who is your favorite actor? Have a favorite singer or band? Follow a particular sports team? What TV show do you like? Now, that's idolatry?
quote - "There are posters here who, rather than teaching, preaching, and rejoicing in Jesus Christ, spend their time singing the praises of and defending their religious organization and its various members."
More to the point, there are people who spend their time on this board attacking people rather than rejoicing in Christ. And when they aren't attacking they are busy telling the rest of us why God has changed His mind about how we should live.
quote - "A 2x2 poster here calls himself "GloryInTruth". Why is finding glory in a group of men preferable to finding glory in God or Jesus Christ?"
The person in question calls himself GLORY IN TRUTH. Do you... sorry, I should say, have you, ever gloried in Truth?
quote - "Many things have been said here about the workers. The 2x2 here who come to the defense of the workers do so with the vigor of someone defending God himself. Since when has man, in any capacity, become synonymous with God?"
You are quite right. The next time I hear someone criticizing someone I will hold my peace, just in case they think I am defending God himself.\
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Post by kencoolidge on Oct 19, 2007 7:54:24 GMT -5
Perhaps photos of all the Workers distributed at the end of convention is sorta idolatry. Encouraging type of worship which is not of CHRIST
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2007 8:09:39 GMT -5
Yeah, I have thousands of old 35mm slides of all my friends. And now I am filling up DVD's with my new fangled digital camera.
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Post by shushy on Oct 19, 2007 9:34:36 GMT -5
What I dont like is when family have workers pics on their mantel pieces as preference to their Grandchildren.
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Post by idolatry extraordinaire on Oct 19, 2007 13:14:28 GMT -5
calling it Truth or truth is no different than referring to (oh who is that celeb..I can just see her..you know who I mean) who named her kid Apple..... referring to Apple and AN apple. They are both nouns, one is proper, but I doubt you will confuse them. Nope. I don't confuse them. But other people do on purpose to prop up their flimsy arguments. It happens all the time here. If you can't see it, pull your head out. Yes. When they use the word I know what they mean. The problem is that when I use the word, though they know what I mean, they (f&w) deliberately misinterpret what I say. Regarding my desire for open discussion of William Irvine within the fellowship, I once said "I want the truth". One of the prominent friends here replied "Then why did you leave truth". I used it as a noun. They deliberately misinterpreted it as a pronoun. This happens a lot here. It is why some of us have resorted to using "Truth (pronoun)" and "truth (noun)". So deception isn't deception if most people know better? You make me sick. Ahhhhh..... "most"....... what about the rest? It's okay to lie to them huh? You make me very sick. This is completely off-topic. Yes, my opinion. And this is your opinion. I have mine, backed up by his words. You have yours, backed up by your brainwashing. The same goes for you. Ahhhhhh...... and with this one statement, the title of this thread is justified. You worship your God. I'll worship mine. Translation: We can worship our religion if we want. We have our excuses. Leave us alone. I say suit yourself. Yes. Yes. Yes. (And it's beginnings aren't a closely guarded secret. We all know. No lies. No cover up. No changing the subject. No games. Just honesty.) Yes. You feel someone needs to defend him or he'll leave. We are all entitled to our own opinions, ignorance, delusions, idiocy, stupidity, insanity, bull-headedness, and brainwashing. Have fun madam.
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Post by Mary Todd Lincoln on Oct 19, 2007 14:11:03 GMT -5
What I dont like is when family have workers pics on their mantel pieces as preference to their Grandchildren. It's neccessary to ESTABLISH healthy boundaries and the workers are in a position to do so. They are also in a position of ENABLING unhealthy boundaries, albeit, maybe unknowingly. Ole Satan has always been busy undermining God's work in very subtle ways, bringing disharmony and unrest to a body of believers. He's got better things to do than spend time with people already robbed of divine fellowship. He wants to rob God. He wants to monopolize your time and attention as much as possible with seemingly harmless things or seemingly worthwhile things. He knows how to work it.........to milk it............so that before a person knows it they have fallen into controlling behaviour or idolatry. God knows how Satan works. That is why there are such warnings in the Bible. But we at the SOTS council for anti-idolatry are striving to assist people to rise to their full potential as a child of God; to worship God, the Creator instead of worshipping temporal things.
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Oct 19, 2007 15:42:13 GMT -5
calling it Truth or truth is no different than referring to (oh who is that celeb..I can just see her..you know who I mean) who named her kid Apple..... referring to Apple and AN apple. They are both nouns, one is proper, but I doubt you will confuse them. Nope. I don't confuse them. But other people do on purpose to prop up their flimsy arguments. It happens all the time here. If you can't see it, pull your head out. Yes. When they use the word I know what they mean. The problem is that when I use the word, though they know what I mean, they (f&w) deliberately misinterpret what I say. Regarding my desire for open discussion of William Irvine within the fellowship, I once said "I want the truth". One of the prominent friends here replied "Then why did you leave truth". I used it as a noun. They deliberately misinterpreted it as a pronoun. This happens a lot here. It is why some of us have resorted to using "Truth (pronoun)" and "truth (noun)". So deception isn't deception if most people know better? You make me sick. Ahhhhh..... "most"....... what about the rest? It's okay to lie to them huh? You make me very sick. This is completely off-topic. Yes, my opinion. And this is your opinion. I have mine, backed up by his words. You have yours, backed up by your brainwashing. The same goes for you. Ahhhhhh...... and with this one statement, the title of this thread is justified. You worship your God. I'll worship mine. Translation: We can worship our religion if we want. We have our excuses. Leave us alone. I say suit yourself. Yes. Yes. Yes. (And it's beginnings aren't a closely guarded secret. We all know. No lies. No cover up. No changing the subject. No games. Just honesty.) Yes. You feel someone needs to defend him or he'll leave. We are all entitled to our own opinions, ignorance, delusions, idiocy, stupidity, insanity, bull-headedness, and brainwashing. Have fun madam. I couldn't care less if GIT leaves this board or not. That would be his decision. The rest of your post doesn't even warrant a response, though I could give you one. I already did once or twice and received childish petulance from you in return so...eh. Here I thought we were having a reasonable discussion fairly free of personal insults like big boys and girls. I guess not. Agree to disagree. M.
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Post by Faithful1 on Oct 19, 2007 16:30:01 GMT -5
As has been said there is nothing wrong with glorying in Truth.
Jesus did it and so should we.
Truth = Jesus
So when I worship Truth I worship Jesus.
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