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Post by you need on Oct 18, 2007 21:18:28 GMT -5
Eddy Wrote:Yes, this is the internet location of the ex-2x2's. That's why I wonder what relevance this post you started has, and further, find it inappropriate that you put it here.
I, however, don't understand your point in this response. Can you help me out?
E a woman
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Post by that poll on Oct 18, 2007 21:19:27 GMT -5
that poll about ignoring GIT's stupid commentary really makes sense now.
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Post by gloryintruth on Oct 18, 2007 22:01:55 GMT -5
do you know what you sound like?
Bryan,
What do I sound like? I think I sound like someone who objects to the inconsistent standards on this forum.
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Post by _ on Oct 18, 2007 22:04:22 GMT -5
do you know what you sound like?Bryan, What do I sound like? I think I sound like someone who objects to the inconsistent standards on this forum. That's not the correct answer... but nice try...
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Post by answering git on Oct 19, 2007 0:11:13 GMT -5
Dear GIT: Sylvestra created this thread with a post about his new job over at www.wycliffeassociates.org.uk and you asked what his job had to do with the fellowship, friends, and workers. Allow me to answer your question. The folks at www.wycliffeassociates.org.uk are related to the 2x2s in that the 2x2s are gleefully sending them, and every other "worldly/false religion" straight to hell.
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Post by this post on Oct 19, 2007 0:37:28 GMT -5
do you know what you sound like?Bryan, What do I sound like? I think I sound like someone who objects to the inconsistent standards on this forum. THIS POST HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH 2X2ISM! WAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Oct 19, 2007 1:39:45 GMT -5
Oh for pity's sake. We have really degenerated here. M.
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Post by whatever on Oct 19, 2007 13:43:16 GMT -5
Can we keep to the topics related to what this board was set up for !!! P L E A S E and not discussing our new jobs, relationships, personal investments, lovelife, ETC ETC unless it is R E L E V A N T to the original intent of the board I don't like WADING TROUGH SOME OF YOU PEOPLE'S l i t t l e c l i c k s !!!!! do YOU WANT TO WADE THROUGH MINE PROBABLY NOT so why do you think I want to wade through Yours ?? Why don't you all start a new board and call it the "GROUP of CLICKS" ??
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Post by with anonymous strangers on Oct 19, 2007 16:22:28 GMT -5
Sylvestra:
Some people here prefer communicating with complete strangers about whom they know absolutely nothing. (I suppose these people also know the appropriate bathroom stall hand-signals as well.)
The rest of us are different. We want to know as much as possible about the people with whom we communicate. Thank you for telling us about you. Thank you for telling us what interests you. Thank you for telling us about your job.
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Post by tulip2 on Oct 19, 2007 16:49:32 GMT -5
Edy: I have some questions for you about a topic that I really don't understand, so I hope you'll bear with me. I think I remember from previous posts that you are a believer in some degree of Calvinist doctrine. And from what I've read, that means that God chooses who he chooses, and nothing we do (including serving Him) is of our own choosing. We're either saved or not, and if we are saved it's because God chose us. And if we are saved, we will thus be moved to obey Him because of His unstoppable power. If any of this is incorrect, please let me know. So I'm wondering how missionary work fits into this equation... those who are saved are already saved because God chose them. Please forgive my ignorance and my scant knowledge on this subject. I also have a very obvious question... doesn't everyone assume that they are part of the Chosen? Juliette, good questions and topic, almost deserves a thread of its own. Here's just a few spontaneous responses. It's a pity (I think) that this doctrine is associated with a man's name (even one as significant in the reformation as Calvin - great Christian leader that he was). It makes it too easy for opponents (you know who they are!) to discredit. In reality, Calvin simply 'discovered' (by revelation no doubt) what Paul had also had revealed as he wrote his scripture (letter to the Romans). So in effect, what many call 'Calvinism' is simply teaching or expounding on what God tells us in his word. In Romans ch's 8-11 especially. Here's one bit from Romans 8: 29For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified. There are 5 steps here. Like links in a chain, each one follows the other. Start at the first step (those God foreknows), and God's word tells us that you progress through each step ending in God's glorification ("well done" perhaps). Incredible promise! God 'foreknows', then 'predestines' (to be conformed to the likeness of Christ, the purpose in creation - to function in God's image). Then God calls. Then justifies the sinner. And finally, inexorably, the step of glorification. This is not Calvin's 'ideas' it's what God is telling us. I don't believe by us believing what God explicitly says here, leads to a conclusion that what we do, our choices, doesn't matter. Calvin never believed that, Paul clearly didn't and nor need we. Accepting that God predestines and chooses some (for what reason? beyond our knowing) doesn't remove our responsibility (scripture is clear on this too). Both go hand in hand. Just our simple minds, our limited perspective, so easily leads us away from God's perspective & truth. The reality is God is sovereign, He chooses who He will. But I don't believe He's unjust in this.. after all, the first step is based on God 'foreknowing' us. I think this means a lot more than what we understand by 'knowing'. When God knows something (ie. us) He really knows it, better than even us, to the absolute nth degree. So, God's sovereign choice is based on a complete knowledge (eg. of how we will act and behave, of our character) before we're even formed! God's foreknowledge and choosing doesn't detract from our individual responsibility to live like Christ, in fact it's the purpose behind it. And my feeling is, if we ignore this scriptural truth we actually miss a significant part of the power to be like Christ. My experience is embracing this, Calvinism if you like, is empowering. We are left in awe of a sovereign and all wise God. As Paul says so well right at the end of Romans ch.11. And incidentally, Calvin's church in Geneva was one of the great evangelising churches of the reformation, and embracing the truths that Paul writes about in this regard (Calvinism if you like) actually encourages missionary work. Because that is part of God's call to His elect. There's something wonderful in all this, beyond our reasoning. But so worthwhile because it teaches us about God, His character. Which after all is the purpose behind it all, the purpose of salvation, that we can develop a relationship with God, really start to know and understand Him. And discover just how great, awesome He really is. And that is empowering! Great topic, great bible truths!
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