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Post by Sylvestra on Oct 16, 2007 21:27:50 GMT -5
I thought I'd share a quick note with ya'all that I am going to be working for this organization until the end of the year. I start Wed. AM, and I'm really looking forward to it! www.wycliffeassociates.org.uk/The office I will be working in is in Orange, CA, but is not listed on the site. Edy
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Post by selah on Oct 16, 2007 21:31:15 GMT -5
That's awesome Edy! I'm sure you'll find it most interesting, and your co-workers will be blessed for having you there! Great News!
I have enjoyed attending a couple of Wycliffe dinner theatres in our city.
Blessings, Linda
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Post by juliette on Oct 16, 2007 22:09:46 GMT -5
Edy:
I have some questions for you about a topic that I really don't understand, so I hope you'll bear with me. I think I remember from previous posts that you are a believer in some degree of Calvinist doctrine. And from what I've read, that means that God chooses who he chooses, and nothing we do (including serving Him) is of our own choosing. We're either saved or not, and if we are saved it's because God chose us. And if we are saved, we will thus be moved to obey Him because of His unstoppable power. If any of this is incorrect, please let me know.
So I'm wondering how missionary work fits into this equation... those who are saved are already saved because God chose them.
Please forgive my ignorance and my scant knowledge on this subject.
I also have a very obvious question... doesn't everyone assume that they are part of the Chosen?
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Post by gloryintruth on Oct 16, 2007 23:23:41 GMT -5
I thought I'd share a quick note with ya'all that I am going to be working for this organization until the end of the year. I start Wed. AM, and I'm really looking forward to it! www.wycliffeassociates.org.uk/ The office I will be working in is in Orange, CA, but is not listed on the site. EdyI believe it was only hours ago you told me that this forum was for discussion of Friends and Worker issues and that subjects unrelated should not be posted. Indeed, many months ago you were quite adamant (to put it mildly) and argued the point strenuously with me. When I pointed out the many different subjects raised by exes, you said (and I quote from memory), " Yes, well they shouldn't do it either, but we're talking about you". Could you please explain for the benefit of the forum how your work for this organisation relates to the Fellowship, Friends or Workers? I'm just curious - it seems to me that there exists a double-standard, which in old-fashioned terminology used to be called "hypocrisy".
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Post by wow on Oct 16, 2007 23:30:50 GMT -5
wow GIT, Do you sit and sort through this TMB just to find things to "pick" about? Come help me fold clothes, dishes, homework, read, cook, feed the dog, anything! Please. I'll be praying for you to find some sort of peace in your life. Goodnight!
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Oct 17, 2007 18:49:35 GMT -5
wow GIT, Do you sit and sort through this TMB just to find things to "pick" about? Come help me fold clothes, dishes, homework, read, cook, feed the dog, anything! Please. I'll be praying for you to find some sort of peace in your life. Goodnight! Tho I think the original post was very nice.....this post above is a bit of a joke considering that ppl sit and pick apart GIT all day long on this forum. Just a thought... M.
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Post by Brick on Oct 17, 2007 19:51:17 GMT -5
juliette--Thanks for asking that question. That is my understanding too, although like you, I feel pretty ignorant about it. So I'm looking forward to learning more about this.
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Post by diet coke on Oct 17, 2007 20:07:30 GMT -5
I also have a very obvious question... doesn't everyone assume that they are part of the Chosen? I don't. On the contrary, I assume I am NOT part of the Chosen, since I am unable to believe with evidence. I'm just not wired that way. I do not see how this can be my fault that I was born "logical". If the Bible is to be believed literally, I will go to Hell, and there appears to be nothing I can do about it.
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Post by Sylvestra on Oct 17, 2007 20:21:43 GMT -5
Edy: I have some questions for you about a topic that I really don't understand, so I hope you'll bear with me. I think I remember from previous posts that you are a believer in some degree of Calvinist doctrine. And from what I've read, that means that God chooses who he chooses, and nothing we do (including serving Him) is of our own choosing. We're either saved or not, and if we are saved it's because God chose us. And if we are saved, we will thus be moved to obey Him because of His unstoppable power. If any of this is incorrect, please let me know. So I'm wondering how missionary work fits into this equation... those who are saved are already saved because God chose them. Please forgive my ignorance and my scant knowledge on this subject. I also have a very obvious question... doesn't everyone assume that they are part of the Chosen? Juliette (Brick and diet coke as well), This is a very interesting subject, and I will be happy to address my understanding of it. It will likely be the weekend before I can get back to it (or maybe during some down time at work tomorrow.) Best! Edy
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Oct 17, 2007 20:23:16 GMT -5
Congrats Edy on your new job!!! I know you've been looking for awhile! What is your position there? Website looks interesting.
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Post by CherieKropp on Oct 17, 2007 22:33:45 GMT -5
Edy Just so you know beyond all doubt: GIT's post on this thread does not reflect the feelings of many of your friends on this board.
Cherie
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Post by here he goes again on Oct 17, 2007 23:24:49 GMT -5
I believe it was only hours ago you told me that this forum was for discussion of Friends and Worker issues and that subjects unrelated should not be posted. Indeed, many months ago you were quite adamant (to put it mildly) and argued the point strenuously with me. Well, GIT has outdone himself. This clearly is the most childish post he has ever posted.
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Post by gloryintruth on Oct 17, 2007 23:41:42 GMT -5
Eddy Wrote:
And, by the way, maybe the reason it SEEMS that we are picking only on the f & w is because this is a Board discussing the F & W!!! and not all other religions.
Jeesh!
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Post by gloryintruth on Oct 17, 2007 23:47:26 GMT -5
Eddy Wrote:
What does this have to do with discussion of the 2x2? I think this is posted on the incorrect board
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Post by gloryintruth on Oct 17, 2007 23:47:52 GMT -5
Eddy Wrote:
Yes, this is the internet location of the ex-2x2's. That's why I wonder what relevance this post you started has, and further, find it inappropriate that you put it here.
I, however, don't understand your point in this response. Can you help me out?
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Post by Johnny DeRaad on Oct 18, 2007 1:36:13 GMT -5
Every time I see gits new avatar all I can think of is Monty Python and the Holy Grail. . ...The Knights who say Ni!!!! . . ."I cut your bloody arm off.. no you didn't. .. .yes I did, it's nothing but a bloody stump". ... .. and "bring out your dead. . .. .but I'm not dead yet. .. yes you are ..whack whack!". ..
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Post by gloryintruth on Oct 18, 2007 8:30:02 GMT -5
Well, GIT has outdone himself. This clearly is the most childish post he has ever posted.
I am merely asking for clarification because Eddy has brought this up several times now - indeed, this was one of the statements she made for why people should not interact with my posts in the past: "Not related to the Friends and Workers".
Since she has clearly decided to ignore my comments on this issue, I'm assuming her silence is acknowledgement of her own complicity in the very things she has condemned me for.
You may feel this is childish, but I find hypocrisy a grave issue. I have pointed out the double-standards on this forum for some time now - and here is a concrete example; in other words, that strange substance called "proof" which I always ask for from exes but never get.
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Post by the only on Oct 18, 2007 9:24:15 GMT -5
GIT,
The only double standard being practiced or enforced in this thread is coming from you.
By the way, I'd like to know your CV. I don't believe you are listed in any university or college anywhere. So whomever you are, you have no credibility with me until you can give me reason otherwise to believe that you are whom you say you are.
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Post by Sylvestra on Oct 18, 2007 10:49:02 GMT -5
GIT,
I'm not going to address your tantrum posts re: this and other threads again, because you just don't "get it". I hope this helps a bit:
There are many posts of interest to others here that aren't about the f & w at all, but rather about our own lives and what we're doing, or things that have interested or helped us. or maybe something that got our funny-bone, etc. To me (and many others) these posts are quite acceptable.
When posts are started with attitudes such as "since other "worldly churches" (to me, your meaning to be the churches of the x's) do this too, or have this problem too, "we don't have to fix ours or ours isn't any worse than your church or other churches", it just doesn't fly. You see, we are talking about the f & w in these instances and NOT about other churches. Just because you want to dilute the f & W responsibility for something by using the "two- wrongs-make-a-right" (or at least cancel out the accusation at hand) defense, doesn't mean we are going to accept it.
So, save your time for more important things than looking into archives to salve your feelings!
Edy
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Post by Sylvestra on Oct 18, 2007 10:49:51 GMT -5
Edy Just so you know beyond all doubt: GIT's post on this thread does not reflect the feelings of many of your friends on this board. Cherie Thank you, Cherie, for that! I do know that, but it is good to hear it from you. Edy
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Post by Sylvestra on Oct 18, 2007 11:05:00 GMT -5
Congrats Edy on your new job!!! I know you've been looking for awhile! What is your position there? Website looks interesting. Good morning, woae! Thank you! I am doing data entry here - very boring, but really a joy because of who I am working for and how important to them this position is! This is the wonderful, "untypical" workplace I have ever been in. The only one better is my home office Here is a more specific website to who I am working for. www.wycliffe.netThe main thrust right now is doing bible translations for people who use unwritten languages. Right now we have downtime between post office deliveries, but I understand that time will "fix" that In Him, Edy
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Post by Say what on Oct 18, 2007 12:03:04 GMT -5
GIT, I'm not going to address your tantrum posts re: this and other threads again, because you just don't "get it". I hope this helps a bit: There are many posts of interest to others here that aren't about the f & w at all, but rather about our own lives and what we're doing, or things that have interested or helped us. or maybe something that got our funny-bone, etc. To me (and many others) these posts are quite acceptable. When posts are started with attitudes such as "since other "worldly churches" (to me, your meaning to be the churches of the x's) do this too, or have this problem too, "we don't have to fix ours or ours isn't any worse than your church or other churches", it just doesn't fly. You see, we are talking about the f & w in these instances and NOT about other churches. Just because you want to dilute the f & W responsibility for something by using the "two- wrongs-make-a-right" (or at least cancel out the accusation at hand) defense, doesn't mean we are going to accept it. So, save your time for more important things than looking into archives to salve your feelings! Edy Wait, wait, wait a minute. If I understand GIT's posts, you have accused him of making posts in the past that don't relate to the 2x2's. So now he points out that you are doing the same thing and he gets ripped apart. Are we letting our biases get in the way of our brains here?
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Post by Sylvestra on Oct 18, 2007 12:12:49 GMT -5
GIT, I'm not going to address your tantrum posts re: this and other threads again, because you just don't "get it". I hope this helps a bit: There are many posts of interest to others here that aren't about the f & w at all, but rather about our own lives and what we're doing, or things that have interested or helped us. or maybe something that got our funny-bone, etc. To me (and many others) these posts are quite acceptable. When posts are started with attitudes such as "since other "worldly churches" (to me, your meaning to be the churches of the x's) do this too, or have this problem too, "we don't have to fix ours or ours isn't any worse than your church or other churches", it just doesn't fly. You see, we are talking about the f & w in these instances and NOT about other churches. Just because you want to dilute the f & W responsibility for something by using the "two- wrongs-make-a-right" (or at least cancel out the accusation at hand) defense, doesn't mean we are going to accept it. So, save your time for more important things than looking into archives to salve your feelings! Edy Wait, wait, wait a minute. If I understand GIT's posts, you have accused him of making posts in the past that don't relate to the 2x2's. So now he points out that you are doing the same thing and he gets ripped apart. Are we letting our biases get in the way of our brains here? Whatever floats your boat!
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Post by gloryintruth on Oct 18, 2007 18:29:53 GMT -5
I'm not going to address your tantrum posts re: this and other threads again, because you just don't "get it".
Although I should perhaps have not posted the string of quotes in this thread - it being somewhat unnecessary - my protestation of the double-standards on this board are not "tantrums". I merely point out the fact that when I have posted non-topical threads you have said it is unrelated to the issues, and often have refused to interact with what I have posted on that basis.
There are many posts of interest to others here that aren't about the f & w at all,
But I thought you said only a couple of months ago that this forum is only for subjects relating to the Friends and Workers, and that my posts were therefore outside of the "scope" of this forum.
but rather about our own lives and what we're doing, or things that have interested or helped us.
What about my interest in the corruption within post-evangelicalism today? Or my interest in the megachurch phenomenon. Does that not apply? Or are the Friends not worthy to post their perspective (or in my case, previously, simply posting an article from a news site)?
or maybe something that got our funny-bone, etc. To me (and many others) these posts are quite acceptable.
I know all about exe humour. It is a brand of humour that used to be called "spite" by the good-old fashioned teachers I had as a youngster. (See thread about my handle).
Look, Eddy, I am not arguing that people shouldn't post what they like on this board. Frankly I don't give a damn - I have never protested the existence of a thread on the basis that it is non-topical. And, of course, if a topic doesn't interest me, I won't even click on the link. I enjoy the mixture of perspectives and topics on a range of issues that crop up on this main board. There's a palate of subjects from which I can select those most relevant or interesting.
No, that's not what I'm discussing here. What I am referring to are your statements in which you said to me that a thread I started should not even exist on this forum because it was not related to the Friends and Workers. I am merely curious how you can justify your inconsistency in that now you have raised a thread totally unrelated to the Friends and Workers, and of sole relevance only to your life.
When posts are started with attitudes such as "since other "worldly churches" (to me, your meaning to be the churches of the x's) do this too, or have this problem too, "we don't have to fix ours or ours isn't any worse than your church or other churches", it just doesn't fly.
Oh, I see. The issue isn't untopical posts anymore. Instead it's the perspective I present; it's my view as a professing person; it's my convictions and beliefs that are outlawed. Right! "Got it"!
Actually, I think this is a species of evasion. You never protested my previous threads on this basis at all. Rather, you protested them on the premise that as they were un-related to the Friends and Workers they should never have been posted inthe first place.
Now you say it is a certain attitude that makes a thread unfit to be posted on this forum. O.K. I was a little confused about that because you said something entirely different previously. I guess you didn't mean what you wrote, but you do mean what you wrote after that.
You see, we are talking about the f & w in these instances and NOT about other churches.
Explain then why you did not protest when topics were raised about Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses, and Roman Catholicism (another church whose teachings you violently misrepresent)?
Just because you want to dilute the f & W responsibility for something by using the "two- wrongs-make-a-right" (or at least cancel out the accusation at hand) defense, doesn't mean we are going to accept it.
Riiight! So now it's my arguments that make my threads unfit to be posted on this forum. So any comparisons about wrong and right between the Fellowship and denominationalism are now outlawed - and this includes exes who would justify their own church in the light of the flaws of the Fellowship, I would expect - you know, kinda for consistency's sake.
(BTW I would argue that you are barking up the wrong tree if you think I would argue on the basis of a logical fallacy like this, but I think I would be wasting precious text to ask for proof).
So, save your time for more important things than looking into archives to salve your feelings!
Translation: "It's OK for me not to live up to my word" Translation: "Your views are not worthy to exist on this forum" Translation: "It is unreasonable for you to expect consistency from me" Translation: "My prejudices should guide subject content on this forum". Translation: "I don't like your views, so don't post them"
Do I "get it" Eddy? Only too well.
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Post by _ on Oct 18, 2007 20:57:49 GMT -5
Git,
do you know what you sound like?
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Post by your medicine on Oct 18, 2007 21:16:01 GMT -5
which I always ask for from exes but never get. Time after time, you have ignored the inquiries of others. Now that it is done to you, you display indignity like my son, who is not yet two years old. He does it by bawling his head off. You....not much different.
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Post by you are on Oct 18, 2007 21:17:10 GMT -5
Eddy Wrote:And, by the way, maybe the reason it SEEMS that we are picking only on the f & w is because this is a Board discussing the F & W!!! and not all other religions.
Jeesh! bass hole
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Post by what a on Oct 18, 2007 21:18:00 GMT -5
Eddy Wrote:What does this have to do with discussion of the 2x2? I think this is posted on the incorrect board
E anutt bag
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