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Post by hathall on Oct 16, 2007 20:47:30 GMT -5
why does git keep bringing up evangelical churches and practices in his defense of 2x2ism? why can't he stay on topic and stick to all things 2x2? this board is not about the problems with Christianity or non2x2ism, it's about the 2x2 church. it's as if he tries to defend his church by pointing his finger at other groups and fellowships.
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Post by Johnny DeRaad on Oct 16, 2007 20:52:48 GMT -5
'tis the art of misdirection and distraction.
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Post by selah on Oct 16, 2007 21:22:26 GMT -5
When my children were little, this often happened. I'd say, "Please don't hit your brother."
"But, he hit me."
"He shouldn't have done it either, but right now I'm talking to you about what you did."
"But I ate all my supper."
"Yes, you did, and that was good, but right now we're talking about hitting your brother."
"I cleaned my room too."
"Yes, but we're talking about hitting your brother."
"And Ryan didn't clean his room."
"But, we're not talking about Ryan right now, we're talking about you hitting your brother."
And on and on...
When GIT, or anyone, has something to say to me about what I've done, or if we're discussing what the "worldly churches" have done, I would like to stay on that topic. I'd like to hear what they have to say, and deal with it. I hope I will do that.
And, I hope we can do the same on the topic of the f&w.
Blessings, Linda
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Oct 16, 2007 21:26:15 GMT -5
You should feel flattered, GIT. so many posts about you. Sorry folks, but sometimes it IS RELEVANT to comment on other churches in a '2x2" discussion as it IS a church. The same way I might compare McIntosh apples to Granny Smith. It's apples and apples, people, not a diversionary tactic. but hey..whatever. M.
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Post by joker on Oct 16, 2007 21:33:59 GMT -5
You should feel flattered, GIT. so many posts about you. Sorry folks, but sometimes it IS RELEVANT to comment on other churches in a '2x2" discussion as it IS a church. The same way I might compare McIntosh apples to Granny Smith. It's apples and apples, people, not a diversionary tactic. but hey..whatever. M. you're joking of course. any person can clearly see the repeated mention of non2x2ism and evangelical churches in git's posts is not relevant and is a diversion from the purpose of this board, the 2x2 church and it's teachings.
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Post by gloryintruth on Oct 16, 2007 23:38:58 GMT -5
why does git keep bringing up evangelical churches and practices in his defense of 2x2ism?
Could you please supply proof for this assertion? I admit to bringing up issues within evangelicalism and denominational religion usually for purposes of comparison or to show that the Fellowship is being criticised for the same things that exist in other churches which are accepted by most exes.
For example, exes in the recent past have condemned the Friends for "financial secrecy" (based on the usual foundation of hearsay), yet we find in the print media, solid acknowledgement that significant numbers of evangelical community churches have had fraudelent accountants working for them, missing millions, and a further variety of malpractice.
I use the comparison SOLELY to point out that exes are straining at a gnat whilst swallowing a camel - they make a big issue over the alleged 3 million dollars Workers hold in one Field (and there is no evidence of financial malpractice), whilst the Roman Catholic Church throws literally tens of millions to the wind for child sex cases.
I remember ages ago there was a discussion about the cost of Willis Prop's suits. Some suggested he'd spent thousands on his wardrobe. Yet famous, celebrity preacher Paula White has a condo worth $400,000, expensive cars, and a taste for luxury shopping. I simply try to point out the inconsistency and lack of balance in the position of so many exes.
Exes have run to the defence of Paula White, but condemned Willis Prop. The alleged sin - overspending - is the same in both cases. Yet one individual is supported, the other maligned. What is the differential? Only that Willis Prop is in the Fellowship and exes are guided in their perspective by hostility not impartiality.
I'm presently writing an article which will be published in PDF format on several notable websites. I am writing about Muslim use of textual criticism in relation to the Bible, and I am investigating textual variants in biblical manuscripts. It is a difficult, and at times, spirtually depressing work to labour so intensively to rebutt such a small lie - but this is reality; lies require many more words to refute than they do to simply exist. But I am trying to remain absolutely impartial to the Muslim perspective, even with the racisicm and bigotry of Ahmed Deedat and other authors ringing loudly.
I can do it, but can the exes?
why can't he stay on topic and stick to all things 2x2? this board is not about the problems with Christianity or non2x2ism, it's about the 2x2 church.
Yet exes are permitted to post a plethora of threads totally unrelated to the Friends and Workers. Today we even have Edy posting a thread related solely to her personal life, and of limited interest to others, and definitely unrelated to the Fellowship. Edy, by the way, has sternly rebuked me in the past for supposed "superfluous" matter.
Actually I do stick to the topics I address. I would be interested if you could point out a thread where I have not. I mean, I'm asking for that thing called "proof" that makes all the difference between opinion and fact.
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Post by easy on Oct 16, 2007 23:41:13 GMT -5
why does git keep bringing up evangelical churches and practices in his defense of 2x2ism?Could you please supply proof for this assertion? Yes. You did it again in your latest post.
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Post by gloryintruth on Oct 16, 2007 23:44:51 GMT -5
why does git keep bringing up evangelical churches and practices in his defense of 2x2ism?
Could you please supply proof for this assertion?
Yes. You did it again in your latest post.
You mean, I am not allowed to even mention why or how I use examples from evangelicalism to establish a comparison or even sometimes a context? I am not allowed to use the world evangelical?
Exes do it. But then they invariably post in favour of evangelicalism, whereas I critique it.
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Post by ow on Oct 16, 2007 23:46:39 GMT -5
ow...headache...
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Post by as we say on Oct 16, 2007 23:49:58 GMT -5
As we say here in England. GIT, yer a git.
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Post by timber on Oct 17, 2007 7:32:19 GMT -5
I see your point, GIT. I think that discussions should be on those beliefs that cause the fellowship to stand out. That is, the ministry, the way of worship, that "salvation can only be found in the fellowship". These would stand out from the beliefs of evangelical churches, perhaps, and are worth discussing. That being said, you and I cannot deny that there are dishonest people found within the fellowship as there are everywhere else. I believe, though, that you did make that point. We are not perfect by far. Lord Jesus, continue your work within us, we pray..
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Post by Johnny DeRaad on Oct 18, 2007 2:20:29 GMT -5
git said- "but this is reality; lies require many more words to refute than they do to simply exist." . .. reminds me of an old paraguayan saying - A lie travels the world round, before the truth can tie it's shoes.
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Post by gifthorse on Oct 18, 2007 3:20:50 GMT -5
why does git keep bringing up evangelical churches and practices in his defense of 2x2ism?Could you please supply proof for this assertion?Yes. You did it again in your latest post.You mean, I am not allowed to even mention why or how I use examples from evangelicalism to establish a comparison or even sometimes a context? I am not allowed to use the world evangelical? Exes do it. But then they invariably post in favour of evangelicalism, whereas I critique it. so whatever the exes do you should do? is that you're argument? what if the exes jumped off a bridge? you speak of critiquing evangelicalism. nothing wrong with that, but where you might find opposition is when you do it in defense of 2x2ism. which seems to be the case on this board, and why people take issue with your misdirections and denials. what sad is that you take random points or positions in evangelicalism and pluck them out to use as broad sweeping judgments against all those on here who might be in the evangelical movement. Just as brad lewis might say because some worker did something bad to some kid, that all workers are guilty of the same. go it?
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