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Post by mortified on Oct 5, 2007 12:16:56 GMT -5
There were a small group of friends discussing Ira Hobbs after the last meeting one evening. One of the friends walked up to the group and quietly announced that "no one would have to worry about Ira ever again." She said he was no longer in the work.
Can anyone confirm this information?
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Post by replaced on Oct 5, 2007 12:50:15 GMT -5
Don't the status of I.H., however, I intercepted the below info:
Subject: Overseer changes Barry Barkley replaces Charles Steffen in New York and New England States Leslie White replaces Barry Barkley in Illinois and Indiana Jim Price replaces Leslie White in Colorado and Utah Glenn Gasser comes from Kentucky to replace Jim Price in North Dakota Greg Harger from Michigan to Kentucky Ray Hoffman from Florida replaces Ira Hobbs in Texas Clinton Goff from South Carolina to Arkansas Tom Nussbaum from North Carolina to Florida George Lee from Alabama to Tennessee Dennis Kinnan from Tennessee to Alabama Philip Farris from Alabama to South Carolina Robert Eberhardt replaces Kenneth Lerwick in Missouri
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Post by juliette on Oct 5, 2007 12:53:37 GMT -5
I've heard that Ira is going to ND or SD to "be with" his brother, Joe Hobbs (an overseer). I have not heard that he is out of the work.
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Post by get over it on Oct 5, 2007 13:29:24 GMT -5
It doesn't matter where the subject is; because God has forgiven us for MANY wrongs we have done,whether they were 40 years ago or even just now;
So to those of you who have a problem with that, GET OVER IT! Leave the clay in The Potter's Hand!
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Post by limelight on Oct 5, 2007 13:40:45 GMT -5
It doesn't matter where the subject is; because God has forgiven us for MANY wrongs we have done,whether they were 40 years ago or even just now; So to those of you who have a problem with that, GET OVER IT! Leave the clay in The Potter's Hand! Notoriety is the price one pays for fame; Fact of life. GET OVER IT! How many questions do you answer with, "It doesn't matter." Whether or not "it matters" was NOT the question posed in this thread. Maybe you should start your own thread entitled "Things That Matter To Me", and then if anyone cares, they can read it.
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Post by Scott Ross on Oct 5, 2007 14:18:14 GMT -5
Howdy, I have also heard that Ira is with his brother and no longer in a position of leadership among the workers. Scott
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Post by MMMM on Oct 5, 2007 14:40:06 GMT -5
It doesn't matter where the subject is; because God has forgiven us for MANY wrongs we have done,whether they were 40 years ago or even just now; So to those of you who have a problem with that, GET OVER IT! Leave the clay in The Potter's Hand! Some of the 'wrong doings' are diseases, such as [deleted] that may continue to happen if a person is not stopped.
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Post by texasdude on Oct 5, 2007 17:32:31 GMT -5
And I just heard, last night - from a brother worker in TX that I was talking to, that he is at Mtn Peak, TX preps. Lots of smoke here it seems.
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Oct 5, 2007 17:58:16 GMT -5
It doesn't matter where the subject is; because God has forgiven us for MANY wrongs we have done,whether they were 40 years ago or even just now; So to those of you who have a problem with that, GET OVER IT! Leave the clay in The Potter's Hand! You are right... God does forgive no matter what we've done but one must recognise their wrongdoing! How can the healer heal if we don't even know we're sick? The workers are not admitting wrong... they are just moving it around!
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Post by Roy unlogged on Oct 5, 2007 18:15:42 GMT -5
Am I correct to interpret this as" . . . they are just moving it (disease) around?
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Oct 5, 2007 18:28:15 GMT -5
Am I correct to interpret this as" . . . they are just moving it (disease) around? Correct!
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Post by nitro on Oct 5, 2007 19:05:19 GMT -5
Maybe you should start your own thread entitled "Things That Matter To Me", and then if anyone cares, they can read it.
LOL Classic
nitro
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Post by Scott Ross on Oct 5, 2007 20:02:35 GMT -5
Nitro and Wings...... If you two were a couple, MAN I would be interested to see what your kids looked like!!! Ha!! ;D Scott
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Post by lizzy on Oct 5, 2007 21:39:05 GMT -5
Scott,
You just gave me a good chuckle on your remark on what the kids would like!
Lizzy
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Oct 5, 2007 21:40:48 GMT -5
Nitro and Wings...... If you two were a couple, MAN I would be interested to see what your kids looked like!!! Ha!! ;D Scott Scott I doubled over when I took a look at the two pictures together!!! That is tooooooo funny!!!!! I think Nitro better get neutered!!! ;D
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Post by wildrose unlogged on Oct 5, 2007 23:34:01 GMT -5
Wings, that is the funniest avatar I have seen yet! What a hoot! But please don't mix it up with nitro. We might have monkeyotes or something wild!
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Post by ann on Oct 5, 2007 23:40:30 GMT -5
"because God has forgiven us for MANY wrongs we have done,whether they were 40 years ago or even just now;"
Only IF we recognize the wrong we have done and ASK for forgiveness. Pedophile workers do not believe they have done anything wrong.
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Post by juliette on Oct 6, 2007 0:01:40 GMT -5
It doesn't matter where the subject is; because God has forgiven us for MANY wrongs we have done,whether they were 40 years ago or even just now; So to those of you who have a problem with that, GET OVER IT! Leave the clay in The Potter's Hand! So if someone (a worker, let's say) murdered someone 40 years ago, he should just be allowed to go on his merry way, continue his life the way he wants to? Exactly what do you think the purpose of our criminal justice system is? Do we pick and choose who gets held accountable for their actions? Who gets to decide which crimes and criminals are reported? How would you like to be a child who was violated by a person in authority and see that absolutely no consequences were applied to that person? And what about the other children who are put at risk by having pedophiles running around unchecked? Maybe you see no reason to have prisons at all? Should we just open the doors, "get over it" and "leave the clay in the potter's hands"? Or is it just a specific category of people you believe to be above the law?
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Post by learnedaboutgrace on Oct 6, 2007 13:37:20 GMT -5
As far as most in SE SOuth Dakota know, IH has not shown up here, yet. (As of Saturday anyhow. Of course Sun is a big gossip day)
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Post by SD on Oct 6, 2007 14:37:36 GMT -5
You are right, no one has seen him in SD yet....and they are not looking forward to it either.
Health may be an issue for both brothers...
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Post by learnedaboutgrace on Oct 6, 2007 15:41:44 GMT -5
SD guest, would you be interested in emailing me?
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Post by learnedaboutgrace on Oct 6, 2007 16:13:50 GMT -5
I can be reached at SDNative2007@hotmail.com
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Post by CherieKropp on Oct 6, 2007 20:17:31 GMT -5
I doubt if he goes to SD until the TX conventions are over. Oct 25-28 is the last one, at Mt. Peak.
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Post by tulip2 on Oct 6, 2007 22:50:50 GMT -5
So if someone (a worker, let's say) murdered someone 40 years ago, he should just be allowed to go on his merry way, continue his life the way he wants to? Exactly what do you think the purpose of our criminal justice system is? Do we pick and choose who gets held accountable for their actions? Who gets to decide which crimes and criminals are reported? How would you like to be a child who was violated by a person in authority and see that absolutely no consequences were applied to that person? And what about the other children who are put at risk by having pedophiles running around unchecked? Maybe you see no reason to have prisons at all? Should we just open the doors, "get over it" and "leave the clay in the potter's hands"? Or is it just a specific category of people you believe to be above the law? Romans 13: Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience. Seems fairly clear!
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Post by Scott Ross on Oct 6, 2007 23:34:14 GMT -5
Howdy Tulip2, I have always thought that this passage from Romans was pretty clear on the issue also. It would be good if the overseers would remember this in some situations that come up concerning the church. ( And also the rest of us of course....) Thanks for the reminder to us all! Scott
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Post by tulip2 on Oct 7, 2007 0:01:28 GMT -5
I have always thought that this passage from Romans was pretty clear on the issue also. It would be good if the overseers would remember this in some situations that come up concerning the church. ( And also the rest of us of course....) Thx Scott Yep I get the feeling some workers and especially the very senior (powerful) ones get to thinking of themselves as above the law, they're serving a higher authority, the law's beneath the likes of them, it's for plebs like us.. All the time forgetting what Paul (or the Holy Spirit if you believe that scripture is divinely inspired) is telling us that laws and governing authorities - even bad ones - are there as agents of God. Even a guy like Pharaoh (Rom9:17) was put there by God for a purpose. Not submitting to the law of the land in matters such as child molesting is akin to rebelling against God, in my reading.
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Post by las logged out on Oct 7, 2007 8:57:57 GMT -5
Come on everybody leave it all in the hands of the head workers they know best
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Oct 7, 2007 9:52:04 GMT -5
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