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Post by Truth Matters on Oct 1, 2007 19:41:45 GMT -5
I'm amazed at how little people know about how easy it is to get IPs, e-mails, IM conversations, etc.. I saw someone on a political board post with the deliberate intention to track IPs. This person's post included a link to an empty .gif that was hosted at his website. He watched the hits on that empty gif file and knew the IP of everyone who read that thread as each reader's PC loaded the empty .gif. You could not see the empty gif file unless you turned "display pictures" off in the advanced browser controls. I did that, saw the .gif , and its properties showed where it was hosted. I'm on the internet with pictures turned off quite often and have seen this done quite a few times. I don't have the time or energy to do this but can see how easy it would be. If someone did this here on this thread, they would not only know the IP of every poster, guests included, but even the IP of every person who reads the thread. What this means is that IPs are really not private personal information. That is why the advice is to never say anything, even as a "guest", you would not want to repeat in a courtroom in front of your mother. Good advice. Personally, I will use a proxy until the board admin blocks proxy IPs, then I will no longer post.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Oct 1, 2007 20:04:36 GMT -5
Here is a link showing how this is done and when combined with cookies outlines the information that can be gleaned. Chapter 9: User TrackingAlong these lines, surely some of you have seen this;
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Post by Truth Matters on Oct 1, 2007 20:14:43 GMT -5
Here is a link showing how this is done and when combined with cookies outlines the information that can be gleaned. Chapter 9: User TrackingAlong these lines, surely some of you have seen this; Yep...thats my proxy
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Oct 1, 2007 20:38:04 GMT -5
No...i wasn't trying to get you to gossip...but I'm too tired to argue much beyond that point, except to say ..no, no more hard feelings are needed...this is true. M.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Oct 1, 2007 20:52:00 GMT -5
Good advice. Personally, I will use a proxy until the board admin blocks proxy IPs, then I will no longer post. I'm curious, why do you feel the need to use a proxy here?
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Post by Dumb move on Oct 1, 2007 21:03:05 GMT -5
Grabbing the IP of the original poster of a thread is a bit trickier than on followup posts. (Especially dependant on browsing habits.)
That's probably why the admin was accused - he's one of the few that would have the information.
But since the original poster created identical threads on the other boards, he spread his IP address to each of those. All admins/mods on any of those boards saw his IP address.
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Post by Truth Matters on Oct 1, 2007 21:16:15 GMT -5
Good advice. Personally, I will use a proxy until the board admin blocks proxy IPs, then I will no longer post. I'm curious, why do you feel the need to use a proxy here? Some who post here seem to enjoy exposing the identity of a poster they disagree with, if they are given the opportunity. I was raised in a 2X2 family, and both my parents families are also 2X2, including several workers. I am not a Christian, and have not been since I left my family's home, but I still enjoy a close relationship with some of my 2X2 family. We are able to have a close relationship because we do not discuss religion. If my opinions and beliefs were to be made public among 2X2's that know me, it would seriously embarrass my family (you know how important appearances are amongst 2X2's), and therefore damage my relationship with them.
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Oct 1, 2007 21:21:41 GMT -5
For someone so worried about how I was speaking to you or what I was trying to get you to do ...you certainly don't mind snidely "sticking it to" anyone who is a 2x2 or is not against them, do you/ (You know how important appearances....) whatever. M.
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Post by Truth Matters on Oct 1, 2007 21:30:25 GMT -5
For someone so worried about how I was speaking to you or what I was trying to get you to do ...you certainly don't mind snidely "sticking it to" anyone who is a 2x2 or is not against them, do you/ (You know how important appearances....) whatever. M. First of all, I was not talking to you. Must you stick your nose into every conversation on this board? Secondly, this statement isn't meant to be derogatory, as you would have noticed if you had fully comprehended what I wrote. The people of whom I speak are my family, who I care deeply about, but the fact remains that appearances are of utmost importance to them.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Oct 1, 2007 21:32:11 GMT -5
Some who post here seem to enjoy exposing the identity of a poster they disagree with, if they are given the opportunity. I was raised in a 2X2 family, and both my parents families are also 2X2, including several workers. I am not a Christian, and have not been since I left my family's home, but I still enjoy a close relationship with some of my 2X2 family. We are able to have a close relationship because we do not discuss religion. If my opinions and beliefs were to be made public among 2X2's that know me, it would seriously embarrass my family (you know how important appearances are amongst 2X2's), and therefore damage my relationship with them. You're probably saying too much, proxy or not. All anyone who's so inclined needs to do is build up information over time, one day it will click. Interesting article and discussion on proxies; >>>Does A Proxy Server Keep Me Anonymous On The Internet?<<<
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Post by Truth Matters on Oct 1, 2007 21:43:02 GMT -5
Some who post here seem to enjoy exposing the identity of a poster they disagree with, if they are given the opportunity. I was raised in a 2X2 family, and both my parents families are also 2X2, including several workers. I am not a Christian, and have not been since I left my family's home, but I still enjoy a close relationship with some of my 2X2 family. We are able to have a close relationship because we do not discuss religion. If my opinions and beliefs were to be made public among 2X2's that know me, it would seriously embarrass my family (you know how important appearances are amongst 2X2's), and therefore damage my relationship with them. You're probably saying too much, proxy or not. All anyone who's so inclined needs to do is build up information over time, one day it will click. Interesting article and discussion on proxies; >>>Does A Proxy Server Keep Me Anonymous On The Internet?<<<
Yes, I know. It's kind of like a privacy lock on a bedroom door. Not at all secure, but enough to keep someone from stumbling in on you. It seemed enough for the posters that I'm concerned about. Anyway, someone will have to want to hurt my family real bad to track them down from what I post here. Trust me, I won't be around here long enough for anyone to run an intel operation like that on me.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Oct 1, 2007 21:49:33 GMT -5
Deliberately hurt your family? There are people here that nasty?
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Post by Truth Matters on Oct 1, 2007 21:57:46 GMT -5
Deliberately hurt your family? There are people here that nasty? Maybe "hurt" is too strong a word, but certainly embarrass. Yes, there's one in particular here who I have no doubt would be that nasty.
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Oct 1, 2007 23:33:32 GMT -5
Yes, I simply must stick my nose into every conversation. I thought it was fairly obvious, but thank you for asking! Also, it appears you aren't comprehending the implications of your OWN words.....just by saying that appearances are so important....whether you INTEND it or not, it implies that appearances are more important than what IS...a theme expressed all over this board by exes. Don't delude yourself into thinking you were just being ever so kind. M.
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Post by thats obvious on Oct 2, 2007 0:07:18 GMT -5
Yes, I simply must stick my nose into every conversation. the only way you get noticed
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Oct 2, 2007 0:15:02 GMT -5
Not hardly, Sweetie. but it is adorable the way you attempt to get personal when you got nuthin else... If "it's obvious" why did you ask, btw?
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Post by Gloryintruth Unlogged on Oct 2, 2007 0:46:10 GMT -5
WANTOBEWITHGOD: Keep "sticking your nose" into those conversations, honeybunch. Your comments are friendly, perky, and gentle and often serve to break up negativity.
I still love ya, anyways! ;D
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Post by Gloryintruth Unlogged on Oct 2, 2007 0:52:13 GMT -5
I'm beginning to miss the functionality of an account! WANTTOBEWITHGOD: Update (can't add to my post above): I'm going to PM you on the TMB II board tonight with a genuine query - I need your opinon on some material I've been reading. So please don't forget to check your PM box over there! Hope you don't mind my request! So that when you read it, you won't ("GIT is so annoying!) or ("What is GIT thinking?"), or ("GIT just makes a fool out of himself"), or ("GIT is one sad guy") or, ("What in the name of...?"). I hope you'll rather respond with: ;D (One or all!) ( BTW: I'm beginning to use smiley's a lot more often. I shunned them for a while but they certainly enhance one's text. Wouldn't you say...?)
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Oct 2, 2007 0:57:27 GMT -5
I will most certainly answer...but I hope it's not toooooooooo long GIT...I'm tired!!! ;D but...the above certainly doesn't sound like you, GIT. Have you been drinking??? ;D hehehe j/k
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Post by Gloryintruth Unlogged on Oct 2, 2007 6:47:20 GMT -5
Some who post here seem to enjoy exposing the identity of a poster they disagree with, if they are given the opportunity.
This has happened to me on more than one occassion. When someone needs to publish links to a man's six year old political debates to avoid interacting with his religious viewpoint and theology, then you are dealing with an individual who is either totally morally bankrupt or has nothing honest to contribute to the battle of truth.
When someone further needs to publish links to a man's family tree website, and believes this to be relevant to a discussion regarding religious doctrine, then something is truly, and genuinely wrong with that person's perspective.
Sadly, may of the Friends percieve the exes to be hostile and dangerous people, who act more consistent with extreme cultists than any in the Fellowship. We've all heard the stories of literature being spread about convention tents, of packages in the mail, and so on. This is not the behaviour of "functional religion"; it is the behaviour of extremists.
And then, as if to confirm this kind of attitude - the attitude of: let's expose "the lying truth" with scant regard for propriety and boundaries, and people's lawful rights to worship as they choose without being disturbed in the process - only a couple of days ago I had Bryan literally demanding my mailing address so he could sent to me books I did not want to read. This is not the first time, apparently that Bryan has chosen to act in this way. When his demand was refused, he accused Nathan of distorting the truth, and me of cowardice.
It is no different from JW's forcing their books into people's letter boxes when they have explicitly denied that they want them, or Mormons popping Books of Mormon in one's church pews.
If my opinions and beliefs were to be made public among 2X2's that know me, it would seriously embarrass my family (you know how important appearances are amongst 2X2's), and therefore damage my relationship with them.
Ironically, exes try to engineer this state of affairs. So far I have had at least three exes publish my personal details on this forum - a virtual invitation to "go get him". The most recent attempt at this kind of personalised attack was fortunately deleted by the Administrator, when I notified him of what had happened. He seems to be doing a good job. But the inescapable conclusion is that there are exes out there who are dangerous and untrustworthy people.
Their solution to people, and viewpoints, and theological positions they find objectionable? Broadcast irrelevant personal information and details - trawl through the internet straining to find any trace of the Hated One - and then post links to the man's geneology website so people can see his entire family background.
I don't get it. I just don't get it! I will never, for the life of me, understand how this behaviour promotes one's religious position or does anything positive at all. Unfortunately, this is the only way some people know how to function. Consequently, my desire for anonymity has been so completely shot to pieces by hostile exes that I don't even bother with a registered account anymore.
So all Professing people beware! There are some dangerous and radical folks out there in exe-land who will do much more than send nastigrams over the internet. They will labour night and day to identify you... and then they will shut. you. down.
Permanently, if they had their way.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2007 7:04:50 GMT -5
GIT, do you still have an account with TMB?
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Post by Whiner on Oct 2, 2007 7:49:24 GMT -5
Some who post here seem to enjoy exposing the identity of a poster they disagree with, if they are given the opportunity. This has happened to me on more than one occassion. When someone needs to publish links to a man's six year old political debates to avoid interacting with his religious viewpoint and theology, then you are dealing with an individual who is either totally morally bankrupt or has nothing honest to contribute to the battle of truth. When someone further needs to publish links to a man's family tree website, and believes this to be relevant to a discussion regarding religious doctrine, then something is truly, and genuinely wrong with that person's perspective. Sadly, may of the Friends percieve the exes to be hostile and dangerous people, who act more consistent with extreme cultists than any in the Fellowship. We've all heard the stories of literature being spread about convention tents, of packages in the mail, and so on. This is not the behaviour of "functional religion"; it is the behaviour of extremists. And then, as if to confirm this kind of attitude - the attitude of: let's expose "the lying truth" with scant regard for propriety and boundaries, and people's lawful rights to worship as they choose without being disturbed in the process - only a couple of days ago I had Bryan literally demanding my mailing address so he could sent to me books I did not want to read. This is not the first time, apparently that Bryan has chosen to act in this way. When his demand was refused, he accused Nathan of distorting the truth, and me of cowardice. It is no different from JW's forcing their books into people's letter boxes when they have explicitly denied that they want them, or Mormons popping Books of Mormon in one's church pews. If my opinions and beliefs were to be made public among 2X2's that know me, it would seriously embarrass my family (you know how important appearances are amongst 2X2's), and therefore damage my relationship with them.Ironically, exes try to engineer this state of affairs. So far I have had at least three exes publish my personal details on this forum - a virtual invitation to "go get him". The most recent attempt at this kind of personalised attack was fortunately deleted by the Administrator, when I notified him of what had happened. He seems to be doing a good job. But the inescapable conclusion is that there are exes out there who are dangerous and untrustworthy people. Their solution to people, and viewpoints, and theological positions they find objectionable? Broadcast irrelevant personal information and details - trawl through the internet straining to find any trace of the Hated One - and then post links to the man's geneology website so people can see his entire family background. I don't get it. I just don't get it! I will never, for the life of me, understand how this behaviour promotes one's religious position or does anything positive at all. Unfortunately, this is the only way some people know how to function. Consequently, my desire for anonymity has been so completely shot to pieces by hostile exes that I don't even bother with a registered account anymore. So all Professing people beware! There are some dangerous and radical folks out there in exe-land who will do much more than send nastigrams over the internet. They will labour night and day to identify you... and then they will shut. you. down. Permanently, if they had their way. As a politician you should be fully aware that when you present some long winded thesis and present it as something of value; the views expressed as well as the presenter are evaluated . You claim some superior background of knowledge so why are you sqeeking about someone reviewing your past thinking and history. You put it on the ether of internet space. What do you think, people are just to believe and bow without exploring your background thinking. It is all relevent. As to the link for the family search. Are you concerned that someone will find something you do not want known?
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Post by Truth Matters on Oct 2, 2007 7:51:34 GMT -5
Yes, I simply must stick my nose into every conversation. I thought it was fairly obvious, but thank you for asking! Also, it appears you aren't comprehending the implications of your OWN words.....just by saying that appearances are so important....whether you INTEND it or not, it implies that appearances are more important than what IS...a theme expressed all over this board by exes. Don't delude yourself into thinking you were just being ever so kind. M. Where do you get off telling me (and everyone else on this board) what my intended implication here is? I said, and I MEANT, nothing derogatory in the statement that you have thrown all of your weight into attacking me with. My family, who I am very close to, are hypersensitive to appearances. They are easily embarrassed with regard to how other 2X2 members see them, especially on the issue of which I was speaking in my original post. This seems to be a problem for you. Read the original post again, read it until you UNDERSTAND it, but DO NOT put words into my mouth. We both know whats really going on here. I called you out on your attempt to do the very thing we are discussing here. You wanted to expose the Admin's identity. Or, more accurately, you wanted ME to speculate on the Admin's identity, so that you could gossip about it. I called you on it, and now you want to pay me back. Got a little vicious streak there "wanttobewithgod"?
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Post by For ADMIN on Oct 2, 2007 7:53:42 GMT -5
And yes I do believe that the Admin. will allow personal info to be shared. Else they would not allow IP grabber .gifs to be posted like Jessi did. Never the less I think that what JL put up is neet.
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Post by proboards does not allow it on Oct 2, 2007 9:32:35 GMT -5
Else they would not allow IP grabber .gifs to be posted like Jessi did. Even ProBoards, on their support forum, have banned these things.
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Post by Jesse_Lackman on Oct 2, 2007 10:52:11 GMT -5
And yes I do believe that the Admin. will allow personal info to be shared. Else they would not allow IP grabber .gifs to be posted like Jessi did. Never the less I think that what JL put up is neet. The danasoft.com IP display is a .jpg and is not the same as the blank .gif trick. The danasoft.com display only shows each thread viewer what their own IP is. Here is how it works; www.danasoft.com/aboutdanasoft.php-------------------- The only ways I know of to tell if there is a blank or empty .gif in a post are to have "display pictures" turned off, or view the source code. For example here is a link to a blank .gif, if you click it it looks like there is nothing there but it is a transparent .gif file; webdesign.about.com/library/graphics/spacer.gif It is from this site; webdesign.about.com/od/beginningtutorials/a/aabg101399a.htmHere is that blank .gif inserted as an image link between the arrows below; --------------------------------------------------- -> <- --------------------------------------------------- It looks like nothing is there, if you want to see it (in Internet Explorer) go to "tools" then "internet options" then the "advanced" tab and uncheck "show pictures" under multimedia. Refresh your browser, view this post and you will see the blank gif image placeholder. If you right click the spacer.gif image and click "properties" you will see the "spacer.gif" link I posted above. Every person viewing this thread will generate a hit on the "spacer.gif" file which will show up server logs of webdesign.about.com. That is how the empty .gif trick works, a person using this trick will host the blank gif on their own web space, then insert a link to the blank .gif on their site in their posts, then watch their web site server logs for hits on that blank .gif image. People talk about the security of TOR, just remember TOR, (the onion-router network), is sponsored by the Office of Naval Research, Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, and Naval Research Laboratory. ( www.onion-router.net/Sponsors.html ) The onion-info e-mail address is a .mil address. Jesse
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Post by to GIT on Oct 2, 2007 12:49:11 GMT -5
GIT,
You claim some kind of intellectual superiority here, although it's nothing more than a complex in your case. At any rate, your complaints are sophomoric and childish. If you can't stand having your viewpoints refuted, then you shouldn't be here. Heck, on that basis, you shouldn't even be in the classroom.
You say you have a Ph.D, do you?
Prove it.
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Post by quoting GIT on Oct 2, 2007 12:53:16 GMT -5
I don't get it. I just don't get it! I will never, for the life of me, understand how this behaviour promotes one's religious position or does anything positive at all. Unfortunately, this is the only way some people know how to function.
I know what you mean. Some holier-than-thou's on this forum keep telling us heathen that we are doomed to hell for not going to those 2x2 meetings. I mean, can you imagine the gall?! Talk about judgmental!
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