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Post by ranman77007 on Sept 30, 2007 2:28:24 GMT -5
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Sept 30, 2007 2:40:18 GMT -5
Randy....seriously. geez. Do you try for what...like 5 minutes? Maybe it's you who's trying to fool us by saying you can/will change. Syd's a good guy. Whatever his decision is, it's his decision. Enough already about the room! Sheesh. M.
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Post by ranman77007 on Sept 30, 2007 3:35:20 GMT -5
oh hi Syd....i was hoping you'd stick your nose in.... ;D
someone here told me that you are an instigator....that i let you get to me..... and not to.... that you like antagonizing me..... thats what i have been told... no lie...
and everyone knows that you can't stay up 24/7 for days unless you are on drugs.... of course those kind of drugs also make you talk a lot.... uhh hmmmm
i am still your friend..... why didnt you post on the issue ? ... thats why i posted... because killing is killing is killing... and if you drop bombs from a jet, its murder.
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Sept 30, 2007 4:15:12 GMT -5
first you call me Syd, then an instigator (who cares what anyone thinks? I dont.) then you say I'm on drugs because I sleep in the day instead of at night and because I talk a lot. (I'm a woman, imagine that) I'd be a lot more worried about what that pot you're smokin is doin to your brain cells than worrying about ME doing drugs, that's for sure! Never have, never will. (well smoked cigarettes, but quit)...and then you call me your friend. LOL> This is why we have hugeeeee problems being friends! R! Becasue I didn't feel like delving into an issue like that tonight, to be honest. I'm exhausted and my mind is racing. It just really annoys me that you're like a dog with a bone about this other issue. Oh well. tomorrow it won't bother me again. M.
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Post by ranman77007 on Sept 30, 2007 4:28:21 GMT -5
well if you'd stay out of it.... but whatever you wanna do is fine.. sleep well, and if you want to stay out of my endless fight with syd until he accepts my apology and gives me anther chance, then sit back and watch for my posts, i wouldnt want you to miss any, even though i have asked you to stay out of this one.... let him fight his own battle.... ahh i bet you never even thought about just staying out of it??? did you of course not.. oh well..... i didnt call you antagonistic... a female member of this board said that to me about you... i was just letting you know the advice i get about you... goodnight M... really, sleep good... all this means nothing... your friendship means more... i do wish you let the boys play and fight on their own... let the man answer for himself...
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Sept 30, 2007 4:38:11 GMT -5
yeah, well, you're right. I should let him fight his own battles. It's not even HIM..it's that you are so dang tenacious with all this..you plaster it all overrrrr the place It's sooo annoying. but no...never thought of staying out of it. He is a friend, and that's it and that's all, but I stick up for my friends. In "real life" and online. I dont care what anyone said to you about me, r, you can belive that or dont...but i laugh when I read things like that. petty remarks by petty people don't bother me...and you having to repeat it to me just to *attemp* (failed attempt) to rile me or gain leverage on your "side" is just juvenile. Now, let me sink to that level for a minute and say that you don't wanna HEAR the things I've heard about you. Night... sleep well too. M.
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Post by Brick on Sept 30, 2007 7:11:15 GMT -5
Responding to the original post, ignoring all the BS about the chat room, I must ask this question: Did God sin when he told the children of Israel to utterly wipe out Amalek? And all the other times he directed his people to smite their enemies?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2007 8:38:30 GMT -5
No reasonable person is pro-war, but all reasonable people are pro-defense of the innocent.
There is a clear distinction between killing and murdering. In fact, most translators agree that "thou shalt not kill" is more accurately "thou shalt not murder".
World leaders of all stripes need to do more to eliminate war, there are always innocent people getting murdered in its wake.
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Post by ranman77007 on Sept 30, 2007 10:10:15 GMT -5
i guess it only becmes murder when its your turn to die... oh well, live and learn.... the answer to bricks question is no...
another question: is it a sin to say that God told you to go kill the iraqis ?
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Post by lunatic on Sept 30, 2007 10:38:23 GMT -5
another question: is it a sin to say that God told you to go kill the iraqis ? I suppose that depends on if its true or not. How do we know what God tells other folks? If someone from 2000 years ago claims God told him something, we call him a prophet; if someone today calims God told him something, we call him a lunatic. Why all the reverence for those of the past, and the skepticism for those of the present?
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Post by DiD Ya on Sept 30, 2007 10:58:00 GMT -5
EVER KILL SOMEONE- I DID. GUTTED UM OUT LIKE A STUFFED PIG WITH MY K-BAR. WILL GOD FORGIVE ME--SURE HOPE SO CAUSE I CAN'T SEEM TO DO ENOUGH WORKS TO MAKE IT RIGHT. MOST DON'T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS SUBJECT. BUNCH OF SLACK JAWED PUFFDAS.
Semper Fidelis
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Post by ranman77007 on Oct 1, 2007 1:18:25 GMT -5
EVER KILL SOMEONE- I DID. GUTTED UM OUT LIKE A STUFFED PIG WITH MY K-BAR. WILL GOD FORGIVE ME--SURE HOPE SO CAUSE I CAN'T SEEM TO DO ENOUGH WORKS TO MAKE IT RIGHT. MOST DON'T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS SUBJECT. BUNCH OF SLACK JAWED PUFFDAS. Semper Fidelis well now isn't that special ? something to tell the grandkids about... i can't believe that didn't end the war. maybe you should keep killing until the war is over...otherwise it was all for nothing. points to ponder.
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Oct 1, 2007 1:31:23 GMT -5
Ew. gross and disgusting. and no, Brick. As YOU also know, God has never sinned...but I get your point, yes. M.
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Post by ranman77007 on Oct 1, 2007 1:51:56 GMT -5
Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
1Ch 21:15 And God sent an angel unto Jerusalem to destroy it: and as he was destroying, the LORD beheld, and he repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed, It is enough, stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD stood by the threshingfloor of Ornan the Jebusite.
1Sa 15:35 And Samuel came no more to see Saul until the day of his death: nevertheless Samuel mourned for Saul: and the LORD repented that he had made Saul king over Israel.
Psa 106:45 And he remembered for them his covenant, and repented according to the multitude of his mercies.
Amo 7:3 The LORD repented for this: It shall not be, saith the LORD. Amo 7:6 The LORD repented for this: This also shall not be, saith the Lord GOD. Jon 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did [it] not.
God has done His share of repenting of His evil intentions.
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Oct 1, 2007 2:37:56 GMT -5
I wouldn't call them evil intentions but eh..that's just playin' semantics...call it what you will. Still doesn't make him a sinner tho!!! Off to bed soon..just gotta press the pants yet. See ya'all tomorrow after work...no time to hop online on first shift! M.
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Post by ranman77007 on Oct 1, 2007 2:56:48 GMT -5
then explain this: and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did [it] not. nite Mich
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Oct 1, 2007 3:16:05 GMT -5
dunno, R. too tired to think about it. AllI know is God's not evil.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2007 3:51:57 GMT -5
"Evil" deeds can be seen as being either "righteous" or "unrighteous" depending upon the intentions and context. The "evil" deeds of God and those commanded by God, were to bring about his righteousness and are/were therefore "just" causes.
The evil deeds of man are usually "unrighteous" and therefore sinful.
However, e.g. killing someone in self-defence or to preserve the life of another etc, where there appears to be no other option, would be considered a "just" action.
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Post by ranman77007 on Oct 1, 2007 3:59:11 GMT -5
yes, i agree, and since there are other options besides going and killing people in iraq, that rules out no other option, and if you are in a plane, it even rules out self defence....you could just fly away instead... ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2007 4:51:44 GMT -5
Hi ranman, I wasn't really thinking about Iraq or other situations like that, but was generalising mainly from an individual aspect.
When God created the nations out of confusion on the plains of Shinar, he knew he was creating divisions which would ultimately lead to regular conflict between the nations through the ages until he re-united the world under one race again.
Whilst I support the belief that nations have the right to defend themselves, their interests and other nations against threats perceived or real, a moral dilemma exists virtually in all matters as politics, greed and other selfish influences dictate conflict as much aggressive posturing by adversaries.
Consider the Christian Wermacht soldier on the eastern front 1941-1945 who used arms against Russian soldiers. Such people existed.
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Post by Mr Reality on Oct 1, 2007 10:38:38 GMT -5
Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.
War is about conflict resolution. As long as we are human, there will be conflict, and war.
Anyone who tells you otherwise is out of touch with reality.
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Post by Brick on Oct 1, 2007 11:11:35 GMT -5
Einstein said it all when he said, "The significant problems that we face today cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."
If the solution to a problem creates a larger one, we do not have a viable solution.
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Post by diet coke on Oct 1, 2007 12:08:54 GMT -5
dunno, R. too tired to think about it. AllI know is God's not evil. Very precise, thank you! I am going to print this out and frame it.
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Post by all problems are small on Oct 1, 2007 12:30:42 GMT -5
If the solution to a problem creates a larger one, we do not have a viable solution. The only viable solution we have is the salvation of Jesus Christ. And that solution NEVER creates a larger problem. Case closed.
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Post by Yes on Oct 1, 2007 12:36:03 GMT -5
EVER KILL SOMEONE- I DID. GUTTED UM OUT LIKE A STUFFED PIG WITH MY K-BAR. WILL GOD FORGIVE ME--SURE HOPE SO CAUSE I CAN'T SEEM TO DO ENOUGH WORKS TO MAKE IT RIGHT. MOST DON'T KNOW NOTHING ABOUT THIS SUBJECT. BUNCH OF SLACK JAWED PUFFDAS. Semper Fidelis well now isn't that special ? something to tell the grandkids about... i can't believe that didn't end the war. maybe you should keep killing until the war is over...otherwise it was all for nothing. points to ponder. And it is to bad you were not their. You may have been able to learn a few things about real life.
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Post by GPAC on Oct 1, 2007 12:38:02 GMT -5
And it is to bad you were not their. You may have been able to learn a few things about real life. Killing is wrong. Nobody should kill. Screw reality. I don't care about reality. The fact is killing is wrong and nobody should do it. War should be banned.
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Post by You Are Right on Oct 1, 2007 12:56:14 GMT -5
And it is to bad you were not their. You may have been able to learn a few things about real life. Killing is wrong. Nobody should kill. Screw reality. I don't care about reality. The fact is killing is wrong and nobody should do it. War should be banned. BUT Well my friend there are always leaders who are ready to take your BUTTER away because they do not have enough or just want yours. If you shut down your defense in favor of everybody have plenty of butter, then there will be those unaposed who will take your butter. Don't fight back or they will kill you. Oh wait they will kill you anyway. Yes I remember the young boy saying as our squad left to seach for the bad guys: "Why did they cut my daddies head off? He was no threat to them." He was just a Christian Iraqi. It is not about butter. 2: Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. 3: Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.God knew how to deal with evil.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2007 13:54:45 GMT -5
We have all become conditioned to think of "evil" as being bad, wicked or depraved thoughts and actions etc.
However, "evil" also means disagreeable, unfortunate, or that which produced unhappiness, calimity, etc.
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