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Post by las logged out on Sept 23, 2007 13:47:55 GMT -5
The two by two's have never made right with me that I have seen? They have never admitted to the hidden history of the past...Where is the letter of acknowledgement?I sure haven't got any?How would any 2x2 feel after being screwed around for a good part of your life? No compensation? no letter of admission?
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Post by ithascome on Sept 23, 2007 15:13:00 GMT -5
las if you got one what would you do?
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Post by the friends 2x2s on Sept 23, 2007 15:23:32 GMT -5
dear las, on behalf of all 2x2s, sorry. love in christ, the friends (2x2s)
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Post by ithascome on Sept 23, 2007 15:37:24 GMT -5
Well Las there you have it... time to be happy now.
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Post by las logged out on Sept 23, 2007 16:07:01 GMT -5
I have no respect for the 2x2s as having anything positive towards the work of God
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savedbyblood
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Post by savedbyblood on Sept 24, 2007 0:49:42 GMT -5
The two by two's have never made right with me that I have seen? They have never admitted to the hidden history of the past...Where is the letter of acknowledgment?I sure haven't got any?How would any 2x2 feel after being screwed around for a good part of your life? No compensation? no letter of admission? I feel for you las but find it hard to understand why someone should judge a group of people just because the groups leaders have been withholding the truth of something from the group. It is not the fault of the "2by2's" but the fault of some of the powerful leaders of the group.
I am 2by2 and found out about William Irvine several years ago doing some research on cults. I was more than amazed that the 2by2's are considered a cult! But by definition, we are! I was confused at first about the news of William Irvine and considered it to be heresy until more research led to some names that I had heard of and actually knew the companions of some of the early Workers.
I've heard the different stories given for not telling of Wm. Irvine, that he was an holy man God raised up, that he was the continuation of the "Truth" from the early days. I can see when I'm getting a "snow job."
Most of the Friends chose to not bother or ask about this information. My own professing parents would have never heard of Wm. Irvine if I had not told them. Still they chose to serve Christ in the 2by2 way.
I choose to worship with them for now because most of these Workers have been taught by the early Workers who did not acknowledge Wm. Irvine publicly after he was excommunicated. Many of the Middle aged to younger Workers have just recently begun to hear of the origins and make their own decisions concerning him and the cover up.
Have you asked any Workers for a letter of acknowledgment? Look at what has happened in the child molestation case. A letter was demanded and received.
I do not feel I was screwed around for a good part of my life by this hidden information and I have professed for 37 years. When I discovered the information I was free to make whatever choice I wanted to in using this information. I chose to pray for the Workers to see the place they have put themselves in and for Jesus to impress on their hearts the need for honesty in serving Him and leading His Flock.
What compensation could you ask for? How about a one way pass to heaven. Wait! Jesus has already given you this pass, all you need to do is use it!
I have had a couple of run ins with the Workers just this past year. They have had much more to do with than an obfuscation perpetuated. They have had to do with trusting them as God's Servants with true knowledge and understanding of Scripture.
We all need to work to show these men and women the True Word of Scripture. This is a point that the leaders of the 2by2's seem to have in general and that is using scripture out of context to prove their unwritten ever-changing doctrine.
In or out, if we Truly know and accept the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ as His atonement for our sins then we shall be lifted above these things and led to a more peaceful Spiritually productive life wherever we may be.
As someone who is still in at the moment (the thought of excommunication is always near) I offer any any assistance I can, las. PM me and I shall tell you why I fear being exed and why I am staying until that time.Peace in Him,
SBB
(aka - Rick)
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Sept 24, 2007 8:30:52 GMT -5
Maybe we need to forgive them for their ignorance and forgive ourselves for being so gullible?
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Post by correction on Sept 24, 2007 10:05:56 GMT -5
Maybe we need to forgive them for their ignorance and forgive ourselves for being so gullible? Your spelling of "gullible" is not even in the dictionary. In the future maybe you should think before you write. As my granddad used to say: " Make sure your brain is running before engaging mouth".
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Sept 24, 2007 10:31:20 GMT -5
Maybe we need to forgive them for their ignorance and forgive ourselves for being so gullible? Your spelling of "gullible" is not even in the dictionary. In the future maybe you should think before you write. As my granddad used to say: " Make sure your brain is running before engaging mouth". dictionary.reference.com/browse/gullible
Better take your own advice honey!
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Post by LOL on Sept 24, 2007 10:40:59 GMT -5
Wings,
You just got taken for a ride. I'm surprised you actually looked it up.
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Post by Correction on Sept 24, 2007 10:45:49 GMT -5
Wings, You just got taken for a ride. I'm surprised you actually looked it up. I'm not - there is one very gullible woman! I think in the MW dictionary there is a photo of her! Wings - did you read the definition too? And I even said to think before you wrote. Tried to give you a clue. That knee-jerk response just makes it too easy!
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Post by ranman77007 on Sept 24, 2007 11:00:16 GMT -5
awwww... dats knot berry nice atoll.
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Post by las logged out on Sept 24, 2007 12:12:15 GMT -5
The two by two's have never made right with me that I have seen? They have never admitted to the hidden history of the past...Where is the letter of acknowledgment?I sure haven't got any?How would any 2x2 feel after being screwed around for a good part of your life? No compensation? no letter of admission? I feel for you las but find it hard to understand why someone should judge a group of people just because the groups leaders have been withholding the truth of something from the group. It is not the fault of the "2by2's" but the fault of some of the powerful leaders of the group.
I am 2by2 and found out about William Irvine several years ago doing some research on cults. I was more than amazed that the 2by2's are considered a cult! But by definition, we are! I was confused at first about the news of William Irvine and considered it to be heresy until more research led to some names that I had heard of and actually knew the companions of some of the early Workers.
I've heard the different stories given for not telling of Wm. Irvine, that he was an holy man God raised up, that he was the continuation of the "Truth" from the early days. I can see when I'm getting a "snow job."
Most of the Friends chose to not bother or ask about this information. My own professing parents would have never heard of Wm. Irvine if I had not told them. Still they chose to serve Christ in the 2by2 way.
I choose to worship with them for now because most of these Workers have been taught by the early Workers who did not acknowledge Wm. Irvine publicly after he was excommunicated. Many of the Middle aged to younger Workers have just recently begun to hear of the origins and make their own decisions concerning him and the cover up.
Have you asked any Workers for a letter of acknowledgment? Look at what has happened in the child molestation case. A letter was demanded and received.
I do not feel I was screwed around for a good part of my life by this hidden information and I have professed for 37 years. When I discovered the information I was free to make whatever choice I wanted to in using this information. I chose to pray for the Workers to see the place they have put themselves in and for Jesus to impress on their hearts the need for honesty in serving Him and leading His Flock.
What compensation could you ask for? How about a one way pass to heaven. Wait! Jesus has already given you this pass, all you need to do is use it!
I have had a couple of run ins with the Workers just this past year. They have had much more to do with than an obfuscation perpetuated. They have had to do with trusting them as God's Servants with true knowledge and understanding of Scripture.
We all need to work to show these men and women the True Word of Scripture. This is a point that the leaders of the 2by2's seem to have in general and that is using scripture out of context to prove their unwritten ever-changing doctrine.
In or out, if we Truly know and accept the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ as His atonement for our sins then we shall be lifted above these things and led to a more peaceful Spiritually productive life wherever we may be.
As someone who is still in at the moment (the thought of excommunication is always near) I offer any any assistance I can, las. PM me and I shall tell you why I fear being exed and why I am staying until that time.Peace in Him,
SBB
(aka - Rick)I feel I was screwed around because group was not open about
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Post by diet coke on Sept 24, 2007 12:32:45 GMT -5
I agree with others, Lloyd, it's time to grow up about this. The group was surely open about everything they felt was important about the fellowship. No different than any other Christian group. We Christians believe some strange things, many of which have been all but disproven, yet we don't go around writing disclaimers or making excuses, we just continue to preach the same moral lessons with the same stories. People believe what they want to believe about whether it's all factual or not, and frankly, the facts are irrevelent.
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Post by las logged out on Sept 24, 2007 16:34:11 GMT -5
I agree with others, Lloyd, it's time to grow up about this. The group was surely open about everything they felt was important about the fellowship. No different than any other Christian group. We Christians believe some strange things, many of which have been all but disproven, yet we don't go around writing disclaimers or making excuses, we just continue to preach the same moral lessons with the same stories. People believe what they want to believe about whether it's all factual or not, and frankly, the facts are irrevelent. I believe a cloud does hang over most 2 by 2's being the seals William Irvine set upon the group who needs to grow up..what is your definition of growing up blind acceptance?
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Post by gloryintruth on Sept 24, 2007 17:13:26 GMT -5
Your spelling of "gullible" is not even in the dictionary. In the future maybe you should think before you write.
This spelling appears in my Princeton University Dictionary Database as correctly spelt. Whenever I have used the word in Australian English I have always spelt it this way.
As my granddad used to say: "Make sure your brain is running before engaging mouth"
I think you must be a noob to these boards. Most of us old timers don't worry too much about the occassional spelling error or grammatical mistake. It's the nature of the beast that we don't always edit perfectly.
As my mother used to say to me: "Grow up".
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Post by las logged out on Sept 24, 2007 18:45:53 GMT -5
Maybe it's the 2 by 2's that need to grow up? me think so
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Sept 24, 2007 20:14:25 GMT -5
Wings, You just got taken for a ride. I'm surprised you actually looked it up. I'm not - there is one very gullible woman! I think in the MW dictionary there is a photo of her! Wings - did you read the definition too? And I even said to think before you wrote. Tried to give you a clue. That knee-jerk response just makes it too easy! What can I say.... im gullible!!!! I like to back up what I say if questioned. You questioned... i backed it up... gullible as that may seem!! In addition.... Sorry, I thought you're "think before you write" comment was referring to my previous post but I see now you said "in the future." ;D
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Post by To LAS on Sept 24, 2007 20:54:57 GMT -5
The two by two's have never made right with me that I have seen? They have never admitted to the hidden history of the past...Where is the letter of acknowledgement?I sure haven't got any?How would any 2x2 feel after being screwed around for a good part of your life? No compensation? no letter of admission? LAS, They can't afford to be wrong LAS. It tears into yor pride. It wounds the flesh. Yes, it is good for us, but our flesh hates the Truth. You can forgive them. For they know not what they do.
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Post by BaPa on Sept 24, 2007 22:56:17 GMT -5
Why do we go to meetings? Why do we go to church? What are we following? Who do we hold in high esteme? What do we hold in high esteme? What source are we buying our goods?
Perhaps our answers to the above questions may point to where our lacks are.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2007 7:32:21 GMT -5
quote from las - "I feel I was screwed around because group was not open about"
Las, I think you felt "screwed around" because you wanted to go fishing on Sunday.
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