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Post by how simple on Sept 21, 2007 10:17:45 GMT -5
I agree that personal privacy is important. I'm amused to read that some here feel that the Admin should have none.
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Post by Equal on Sept 21, 2007 11:16:30 GMT -5
I agree that personal privacy is important. I'm amused to read that some here feel that the Admin should have none. Perhaps people feel that the privacy issues should be equal. He knows your IP - do you know his? He knows your email - do you know his?
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Post by yes very simple on Sept 21, 2007 11:21:40 GMT -5
I agree that personal privacy is important. I'm amused to read that some here feel that the Admin should have none. First of all, chicken little, nobody has said he should have none. Second, this was said elsewhere: I have to say I really question the wisdom of someone who would allow themselves to be led or governed by an entity they know nothing about.Aside from dictatorships and totalitarian regimes, it is not uncommon for leaders/governors (as in the manager or administrative head of an organization, business, or institution) to have less privacy than the subjects they have governance over. It is not unreasonable to ask who has control over ones private information.
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Post by hey guys on Sept 21, 2007 12:30:22 GMT -5
hey guys, if you don't like it you don't have to be here. It's a big internet out there.
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Post by noted on Sept 21, 2007 15:07:06 GMT -5
hey guys, if you don't like it you don't have to be here. It's a big internet out there. Judging from the traffic here, I'd say they've noticed.
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Post by Admin on Sept 21, 2007 18:59:34 GMT -5
It is not unreasonable to ask who has control over ones private information. Thanks for all your input and advice. I have added a privacy statement in the header, which makes my position clear.
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Post by lilwolfmisty on Sept 21, 2007 22:58:41 GMT -5
I agree with you and Junias clearday I think the 2X2 participation is lacking due to the fact they are happy as they are and find no need to come here to read. I also don't really give a rip who knows my IP address. I am however more careful with my other info like my soc sec and bank numbers. I refuse to live a parinoid life. Only time will tell if this admin will let the power go to their heads and use things for their own advantage, but somehow I get the sense that they are fair and won't use the info for other purposes. I think there should be at least one co admin, because what happens if the admin has a family emergency, and illness or God forbid a tragic accident then we are in the same place as we were when the old admin abdicated.
Blessings, Misty
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Post by different strokes on Sept 21, 2007 23:51:11 GMT -5
I agree with you and Junias clearday I think the 2X2 participation is lacking due to the fact they are happy as they are and find no need to come here to read. Odd, that they would suddenly "get happy" around the time the TMB came back to life. Something isn't adding up here. I guess that makes you an ex then. When we left, we thought we could leave paranoia behind but, after we made our intentions to leave known to our family, it has proved far more traumatic to some of our family members than we had anticipated. My father is in ill health and my mother is failing fast, trying to take care of him. His condition seems to worsen at the mere mention of us now. My mother says he frets his days away over the fact that we've "fallen away". Him knowing us as exes is one thing, but if he found out that we are among the dreaded "enemies of Truth on the internet", I'm afraid it would kill him. So am I paranoid? Yes, and feeling a bit trapped. It seems that the administrator has chosen to stay in his cave so you are correct, time will tell, for those that are still here to listen. How wonderful that you have nothing to lose if you're wrong. If not a co-administrator, some kind of backup plan would be prudent. Perhaps ProBoards has some kind of "fall-back plan" or at least an "emergency contact" feature.
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Post by Admin on Sept 22, 2007 1:03:45 GMT -5
When we left, we thought we could leave paranoia behind but, after we made our intentions to leave known to our family, it has proved far more traumatic to some of our family members than we had anticipated. My father is in ill health and my mother is failing fast, trying to take care of him. His condition seems to worsen at the mere mention of us now. My mother says he frets his days away over the fact that we've "fallen away". Him knowing us as exes is one thing, but if he found out that we are among the dreaded "enemies of Truth on the internet", I'm afraid it would kill him. So am I paranoid? Yes, and feeling a bit trapped. 'different strokes', it's a dreadfully powerful hold that the system has over our lives.. God bless in what you are going through. It's undoubtedly a comfort that God who you trust is sovereign, on the throne, in control of all creation. (poking head up out of that cave kind-of like the President's nuclear codes satchel? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_FootballWe can give some thought to what should be in it! Best wishes.
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Sept 22, 2007 1:23:14 GMT -5
different strokes, your post actually made me tearful just now, and I wasn't expecting that. My parents are at convention right now. My Dad did go through something very similar to that when I left the religion...it breaks my heart because, while I run my OWN life, ty! I am very close to my parents emotionally. They have been hurt time and time and TIME again by things in their lives, and oh how I HATED to be one more thing....it was one of the things that hurt the most to leave...hurting my parents. I knew they would take it, instead of my own selfish reasons, as they didn't raise me right or etc etc etc....I wish they could realize that it had nothing to do with them and everything to do with me, my leaving. Eh. I got distracted in the middle of writing this and lost my train of thought. Not difficult for me. Anyway.....I hear you about not wanting to hurt loved ones...for sure. M.
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Sept 22, 2007 1:26:08 GMT -5
Hey, cool info on the "nuclear football!" Never heard of it...how do people find out about these things??? I'm *halfway* intelligent and not buried in the sand ALL the time. Why don't I ever hear about these things? ;D
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Post by shushy on Sept 22, 2007 6:58:32 GMT -5
I see 38 posters and 401 viewers for this thread. Who are all those others, the silent watchers. Why do they even come here.? They have a vested interest in some capacity. They are the ones I think about. Especially if they are still inside.
I recon they are f&W...because ex's tend to be vocal.
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Post by Hide Your Identity on Sept 22, 2007 7:53:18 GMT -5
Hey folks...did you miss this? If you don't want the Admin to know your IP, just go to this website first, enter the URL for TMB, and you're in...anonymously. Anyone concerned about revealing your identity, come to TMB through this website: notyourip.com/
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Post by Drawback on Sept 22, 2007 10:32:58 GMT -5
I'm an old hand at forums. These proxies are nice but they tend to have one significant problem: They are often used by posters to engage in activities that violate the rules. These posters abuse these services until the administrator has no choice but to ban the IP address (or range) of the service then it's no longer available for genuine users protecting their identity. In fact I've known some forums to block these services up front as a sort of "preemptive strike" to avoid abuse.
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Post by lilwolfmisty on Sept 22, 2007 12:16:46 GMT -5
Different strokes I do realize that those that have family involved are trapped( I know what that feeling is like real well if you have read any of my past posts you know). My prayers go out to you and your family. I have family still in that I love very dearly so I try not to say anything that would reflect on them, but still stay true to my own spiritual journey. Thankfully my dad is an ex, and my grandparents are in heaven waiting, so the only one I have to really worry about is my mom who just went back to meetings after my better dad passed away, but she is cool with where I am at on my spiritual journey. So yes you have nailed me right I am an ex, but I am not a bitter ex, I do appreciate some things I learned while in, and I appreciate alot of the people that helped me along the way I also agree with you drawback it would be wonderful if people would only use proxies for good only to hide their info because of worry about their families, but I see what you mean that people can use them for bad. Blessings, Misty
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Sept 22, 2007 14:37:46 GMT -5
Shushy...it's possible, but I wouldn't say it's likely that a high number of those viewers are f&w. A great deal of them (most, I would venture to guess) don't even visit these sites, but the main reason I think that is...each time anyone, myself for example, leaves this thread and comes back to it again...it's another view. With even 10 people posting on a thread and a few others viewing it....those views can add up rather quickly. M.
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Post by shushy on Sept 22, 2007 16:00:34 GMT -5
I know if I was still professing and heard of this site. All my friends inside would be told, and their friends etc. Because of the secrecy of the group it would be even more intriguing. They love to go to alternative theorapies, etc because their friend told them about it. This would be no different. The grapevine or kumera vine in the meetings is faster than a bullet train. Regardless of what the workers tell them. They would sneak for a look. I sure hope they do. To expand/expose their mind. @ the innies...we are on your side you know. We are not against you at all. I am not anyway.
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Post by Mich unlogged on Sept 22, 2007 18:05:13 GMT -5
Dunno.... A few months ago, when I *quite innocently...actually my husband stumbled upon it and then told me...*find a few links on the Internet, I told my parents about it (shocked, at that time, to find anything at all about meetings on the INTERNET!) and also sent an email to four of my relatives and their families, who still profess. We are close and email all the time, so of course I had to share this news.........they had obviously heard of them before....one (the least likely to say too much anyway, admittedly) wrote back, "I will NOT be going on those sites* and another relative wrote me a fairly lengthy email about how the site was people trying to pull people away from the meetings. They didn't want to hear any part of it.... M.
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Post by CherieKropp on Sept 22, 2007 19:17:50 GMT -5
To Mich: Curious as to exactly what site(s) you gave them the link to? The Message Boards? TTT? RIS? VOT? TLT?
And what was your opinion of the sites you read? Cherie
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Sept 22, 2007 23:26:52 GMT -5
I didn't give them the link to any sites, Cherie.
I just mentioned that there WAS stuff about meetings online. I didn't know that previously.
Nothing much. No shock and awe...surprised, yes, but not some of the feelings I read others having....which is not to say either is right or wrong, just didn't describe me. My feelings are pretty much the same today as they were a year ago. M. (and I found these boards a few months ago)
(This is Mich, btw)
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