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Post by las logged out on Aug 23, 2006 14:01:54 GMT -5
RE: William Irvine was into pyramidology What is your source for this statement? Haven't you listened Cherie to pastor David legge haven't you checked out all the MacGrgor Ministries videos www.preachtheword.com/sermon/cults12.shtml
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Post by a believer on Aug 23, 2006 14:12:22 GMT -5
:-/What is the obsession with W. Irvine? If your purpose is to show the workers as false preachers then what is the obsession with a man they decided not to follow? Wouldn't it make more sense to be obsessed with what they DO follow as opposed to a man they decided a long time ago to not? It makes sense that one would be concerned about William Irvien as he was the founder of the group. Without WI there would be no group and you and I would never have heard of it.
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Post by a believer on Aug 23, 2006 14:15:22 GMT -5
Sorry, should be William Irvine but then you know that...
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 23, 2006 14:17:51 GMT -5
No, I don't keep up with the MacGregor site. It's not a primary evidence site. They get all their stuff second hand re 2x2s. They never were 2x2s.
According to the Wikipedia definition of pyramidology, I don't know of evidence that shows WmI was a subscriber. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Pyramidology From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Pyramidology is a term used to refer to various pseudoscientific speculations regarding pyramids, which are alternative and run counter to the theories and evidence of archaeology, history, astronomy, and other fields of rigorous scientific enquiry. Most of these speculations deal in particular with the Egyptian pyramids, especially the Pyramid of Khufu at Giza. However, "pyramidologists" also concern themselves with the monumental structures of pre-Columbian America (such as such as Teotihuacan the Mesoamerican Maya civilization, and the Inca of the South American Andes), and the temples of Southeast Asia.
The claims of pyramidology are regarded as pseudoscience by the scientific community at large, who regard their hypotheses as sensationalist, inaccurate and wholly deficient in empirical analysis and application of the scientific method. Even so, several writers whose speculative works consist of or use material of this nature have found a receptive audience among some sectors of the general public, and the sales of their books can be substantial.
The main types of pyramidological accounts involve one or more aspects which are :
pseudoarchaeological: Theories that deny that the pyramids were built to serve as tombs; alternative explanations about the construction of the pyramids (for example the use of anti-gravity technology); and hypotheses that they were built by someone other than the historical Ancient Egyptians (e.g. Atlanteans, extra-terrestrials).
numerological: Theories that the measurements of the Great Pyramid are esoterically significant, and their geometric measurements contain some encoded message. Pyramid power: Claims that pyramids as a geometrical shape contain supernatural powers.
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Post by las logged out on Aug 23, 2006 14:19:35 GMT -5
William Irvine,Charles russel,Joseph Smith all were Masons and all we into Pyramidology one of the things with masons is a new world order look at the back of a US dollar what do you see a Pyramid meaning a new world order to come masonry has occultic symbols you won't find the sign of the cross in Masonic Lodges
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 23, 2006 15:31:01 GMT -5
Even if it is true that masons have the goal you mentioned, it doesn't mean or prove that WmI personally subscribed to it. Unless you know of particular evidence in WmI's writings or other primary evidence to suggest he was in agreement with and promoted same, I would suggest you not advertise such concerning him.
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Post by las logged out on Aug 23, 2006 18:28:02 GMT -5
Well Cherie you asked me
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Post by guesty on Aug 23, 2006 22:27:02 GMT -5
Beliver, I do not agree with you. I would be more concerned then with the faith ministry in Ireland. If that is where Irvine got his start then aren't they the starters of the meetings you talk about? They use the same terminology today as found in the meetings and it is my understanding they sent folks out preaching 2X2 also. Why isn 't everyone all enamored with them? They go back further than Irvine.
And what is it that everyone is trying to find out about Irvine? If you think he started the meetings what is the goal of all the searching for his thoughts.
His preaching was found to be in disgreement with the workers at the time. If a person believes they branched off from him, so what? Then they branched off.
What is it you are trying to find out? I don't see the point other than it may be interesting I guess but many seem to go at it like its some big revelation. I think the poor guy went off his rocker..but so what.
His thoughts aren't going to prove anything. If he started the meetings he started the meetings. You act like there is some great revelation to be found. It's already been traced and I think you are making a big deal over nothing but your own curiosity. The meetings have already been traced back to him. You're not disscussing anything new. Some of us just believe there is alot more to this than any man could ever trace, discover or flush out.
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Post by a believer on Aug 23, 2006 22:38:07 GMT -5
guesty, it proves that the group was started by a false preacher, William Irvine. I certainly could not continue in a group whose founder was false, William Irvine, Joseph Smith, Ellen White etc. Worse still the workers took over the group William started and set to work and tried to say that they had no founder...
The Faith Mission seems a pretty solid Christian organisation. They didn't promote what Irvine promoted or what your workers promote today. The Faith Mission never said that one must hear one of their workers in order to be saved adn that every other preacher of the Gospel is false except theirs. The FAith Mission have workers from many different denominations they are not an exclusive group. William's beliefs were not their beliefs.
A false founder says a lot about the foundation in which a group is on...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2006 22:49:00 GMT -5
To "a believer" You wrote "A false founder says a lot about the foundation in which a group is on..." Correction: A false founder would say a lot about an organisation if that organisation both followed and failed to repudiate the beliefs of that founder.
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Post by las logged out on Aug 24, 2006 11:19:01 GMT -5
Been reading again in the secret sect book I see William Irvine he preahed that the 144,000 were the 2x2 movement
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