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Post by las logged out on Aug 19, 2006 20:32:44 GMT -5
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Post by thanks on Aug 20, 2006 9:59:03 GMT -5
Thanks
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Post by las logged out on Aug 20, 2006 17:51:13 GMT -5
Remember to check your leader out
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Post by Simple on Aug 20, 2006 18:04:34 GMT -5
This explains so much about the 2x2's doesn't it. Why they were forced long ago to retreat to the darkness. Why they maintain that low profile. Their little truth cannot withstand the light of Truth. So they must remain in the shadows, to protect their lies. Why rejection is such a bitter pill for them. They might melt if the Truth were revealed.
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Post by las logged out on Aug 20, 2006 18:08:41 GMT -5
Sure thats why the 2x2s couldn't afford anyone ever finding william Irvine out and discovering he was apostate This is the big thing against william Irvine his false prediction about Christs return 1914
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Post by Simple on Aug 20, 2006 18:16:23 GMT -5
Sure thats why the 2x2s couldn't afford anyone ever finding william Irvine out and discovering he was apostate This is the big thing against william Irvine his false prediction about Christs return 1914 Keep up the good work LAS.............
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Post by las logged out on Aug 20, 2006 19:54:26 GMT -5
You would of thought William irvine would of learned something in his two years bible college training
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Post by Simple on Aug 20, 2006 20:26:24 GMT -5
You would of thought William irvine would of learned something in his two years bible college training Getting in the middle of the battle between God and the devil is a mindnumbing experience. What can be trusted to produce good fruit? Hope, Faith, and Charity(Love)
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Post by las logged out on Aug 21, 2006 9:58:41 GMT -5
I think the fact that William Irvine prophesied falsely the Lords return 1914 has been kept far to quiet it needs more debate
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Post by studylearning on Aug 21, 2006 10:13:01 GMT -5
Hey Las repost the timeline of only 1897 and 1905 so that everybody reading here can see where the custom of rejecting other churches really comes from.
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Post by las logged out on Aug 21, 2006 10:31:39 GMT -5
Well that would be apx 1903 when the living witness doctrine was accepted which meant that all needed to be rebaptised and the only ones saved were those who heard william Irvine
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Post by las logged out on Aug 21, 2006 10:33:58 GMT -5
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Post by Cherie on Aug 21, 2006 14:30:42 GMT -5
RE: I think the fact that William Irvine prophesied falsely the Lords return 1914 has been kept far to quiet it needs more debate
FYI: WmI didn't prophesy the Lord was returning in 1914. I used to think he did, from what I read in the Secret Sect. But it isn't so. Some have mistakenly read what he wrote and gave it that interpretation, but that isn't what his letters state.
He said the age of grace ended in 1914 and that Jesus took the throne (whatever that means?).
A couple chapters in my WmI book spell out what he wrote concerning 1914, etc. This information given in these chapters is taken straight from his letters--not from what someone else wrote.
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Post by a believer on Aug 21, 2006 15:04:41 GMT -5
What were the prophecies that he was put out of fellowship for then Cherie?
IS it still true then that he claimed that he would be one of the 2 witnesses mentioned in Revelations?
Do his followers today know what he meant by the age of grace finishing in 1914.... ?
I think by reading other things by Irvine that he meant that no one would be saved after this time, as he told them to stop preaching didn't he?
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Post by las logged out on Aug 21, 2006 15:34:48 GMT -5
Wow we are getting conflicting reports this isn't good?
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Post by las logged out on Aug 21, 2006 15:36:07 GMT -5
Does this mean Kathy might have to have another writing of her book?
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Post by las logged out on Aug 21, 2006 17:05:21 GMT -5
RE: I think the fact that William Irvine prophesied falsely the Lords return 1914 has been kept far to quiet it needs more debate FYI: WmI didn't prophesy the Lord was returning in 1914. I used to think he did, from what I read in the Secret Sect. But it isn't so. Some have mistakenly read what he wrote and gave it that interpretation, but that isn't what his letters state. He said the age of grace ended in 1914 and that Jesus took the throne (whatever that means?). A couple chapters in my WmI book spell out what he wrote concerning 1914, etc. This information given in these chapters is taken straight from his letters--not from what someone else wrote. Isn't that what Charles russel said also for 1914
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 21, 2006 22:42:19 GMT -5
Details regarding WmI's excommunication begin at: home.earthlink.net/~truth333/BRG4-4-11WmIBook.htmlFrom WmI Book: "THE REASON WM. IRVINE WAS DEMOTED: The material currently available to the Author indicates that Wm. Irvine did not get his understanding of and begin teaching his Omega Message until late 1918. Therefore, the author believes that disagreement over doctrine could NOT have been the reason the workers rejected his leadership in 1914. The author believes the reason for Irvine's rejection was the Scandal that was revealed. Jack Carroll wrote that “his manner of life” was unacceptable: “It is just 4-1/2 years ago since the older workers in (the) old country told William Irvine that they could no longer recognize him as leader, or again as being in the ministry, unless there was a complete change in his manner of life.” (April 16, 1919 Letter by Jack Carroll to “My dear Brother or Sister” from Santa Barbara, California). In the book, The Secret Sect, Authors Doug and Helen Parker give the main reason for the separation between the workers and Wm. Irvine as being genuine disagreement arising when “…he (Wm Irvine) formed the idea that he had been divinely appointed to bring the last message of Jesus Christ to the world before judgment, and he interpreted the period leading up to August, 1914, as the end of the age of grace.” However, without information showing Irvine was teaching his Omega Message prior to late 1918, the author is unable to concur that this was the reason Irvine was rejected." Yes, it is true he claimed to be one of the two witnesses of Rev 11. This hasn't been proven true or false at this time. His Omega followers believe he will be so in the future.
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Post by las logged out on Aug 22, 2006 10:28:53 GMT -5
Cherie why would Doug and Helen put it in there secret sect book then they must of understood that at that time.Has far has william irvines letters go there are probably twice has many that never sent them in to you Cherie.William irvine was also a Mason
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Post by Cherie on Aug 22, 2006 11:23:53 GMT -5
Because Doug & Helen didn't have a fraction of the letters by WmI that we now have, or many of the other accounts. They published their book in 1982, nearly 25 years ago.
Did you go back and read carefully what they wrote in their book? Are you sure they wrote that WmI prophesied Jesus was coming in 1914??? or did you read that into what they wrote? It's easy to do--I did so for awhile, until I obtained additional information.
RE: Has far has william irvines letters go there are probably twice has many that never sent them in to you Cherie ***and your point here is?
I'm well aware he wrote that he was a mason--I was the one who first brought that to the attention of this board.
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Post by las logged out on Aug 22, 2006 11:29:27 GMT -5
I thought Cherie you said William irvine never mentioed in any of his letters that he predicted christs return?so what! he only mentioned In one letter he was a Mason?
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Post by las logged out on Aug 22, 2006 11:31:47 GMT -5
I ain't going to worry about anything even if it was after the 1914 date he predicted Christs return he still did!Yes Cherie probably your right it did get confused?
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Post by Cherie on Aug 22, 2006 13:37:51 GMT -5
Lloyd--I thot you had moved on to other things? Did you get another computer?
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 22, 2006 13:42:55 GMT -5
FYI, I read through all the letters I have of Wm Irvine (over 550) and one thing I was PARTICULARLY looking for was any prophecies he made concerning the future. WmI believed the Lord's return was eminent--right around the corner, etc. However, they felt that way in the NT days also.
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Post by las logged out on Aug 22, 2006 21:31:42 GMT -5
Yes Cherie I sold my last computer to my youngest brother so i decided to buy a bigger and better computer much faster
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Post by las logged out on Aug 22, 2006 21:36:47 GMT -5
William Irvine was into pyramidology so it probably was true the 1914 date prophecy of our Lords return- Charles Taze Russel also got that date from pyramidology he was a JW
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Post by CherieKropp on Aug 22, 2006 22:05:55 GMT -5
RE: William Irvine was into pyramidology
What is your source for this statement?
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Post by guesty on Aug 22, 2006 22:35:50 GMT -5
:-/What is the obsession with W. Irvine? If your purpose is to show the workers as false preachers then what is the obsession with a man they decided not to follow? Wouldn't it make more sense to be obsessed with what they DO follow as opposed to a man they decided a long time ago to not?
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