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Post by too bad on Jun 9, 2006 19:44:09 GMT -5
I worry that some workers present the notion that Christ was a good man and the best man in the bible. But they deny the deity of Christ, for the most part. Actually many don't take consistent positions on doctrinal issues. If you search bible passages you will see that Jesus was God the Son.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2006 19:57:14 GMT -5
I worry that some workers present the notion that Christ was a good man and the best man in the bible. But they deny the deity of Christ, for the most part. Actually many don't take consistent positions on doctrinal issues. If you search bible passages you will see that Jesus was God the Son. why do you worry?
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Post by prayhard on Jul 21, 2006 23:02:13 GMT -5
The teach a FALSE JESUS.
That is WHY there is a fuss.
2x2's are a cult.
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Post by cults again on Jul 21, 2006 23:53:18 GMT -5
To: Prayhard,
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Post by question again on Jul 21, 2006 23:55:25 GMT -5
To: Prayhard,
Please tell us of which cult that you are of? I believe others would like to know also.
thanks
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Post by prue on Jul 22, 2006 6:07:05 GMT -5
hi - i am not sure what a cult is - is it similar to a sect? in the bible Gods people were called a sect of the nazarenes - they would have been proud to be called that because they accepted Jesus' shame and reproach
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Post by howard on Jul 22, 2006 6:14:11 GMT -5
"The teach a FALSE JESUS.
That is WHY there is a fuss.
2x2's are a cult. "
This is OPINION. Not an opinion shared by all, not a fact.
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Post by Howard the TROLL on Jul 22, 2006 9:30:29 GMT -5
"The teach a FALSE JESUS. That is WHY there is a fuss. 2x2's are a cult. " This is OPINION. Not an opinion shared by all, not a fact. Howard the TROLL who registered is only all opinion and has nothing of relevence to present.
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Post by Sect vs Cult on Jul 22, 2006 10:58:32 GMT -5
Pruebert, you may wish to re-think your belief that a "sect" is more positive than a "cult."
According to the concordance:
139. hairesis hah'-ee-res-is from 138; properly, a choice, i.e. (specially) a party or (abstractly) disunion:--heresy (which is the Greek word itself), sect.
You may wish to study exactly WHO the sect of the Nazarenes were.
Sect not a good thing as you think it is, Prue and Bert.
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Post by Nazarenes on Jul 22, 2006 11:19:28 GMT -5
What shall I say of the Ebionites who pretend to be Christians?
To-day there still exists among the Jews in all the synagogues of the East a heresy which is called that of the Minæans, and which
is still condemned by the Pharisees; [its followers] are ordinarily
called 'Nazarenes'; they believe that Christ, the son of God, was
born of the Virgin Mary, and they hold him to be the one who
suffered under Pontius Pilate and ascended to heaven, and in
whom we also believe. But while they pretend to be both
Jews and Christians, they are neither."
The Nazarenes therefore rejected Paul, the apostle to the Gentiles.
The term "Minæans," which Jerome applies to the Nazarenes, recalls the word "min," frequently used in rabbinical literature to designate heretics, chiefly the Christians still following Jewish customs
JewishEncyclopedia . com
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Post by Greg Lee unplugged on Jul 22, 2006 11:42:27 GMT -5
Pruebert, you may wish to re-think your belief that a "sect" is more positive than a "cult." According to the concordance: 139. hairesis hah'-ee-res-is from 138; properly, a choice, i.e. (specially) a party or (abstractly) disunion:--heresy (which is the Greek word itself), sect. You may wish to study exactly WHO the sect of the Nazarenes were. Sect not a good thing as you think it is, Prue and Bert. The point is not so much of being called a sect, but that the believers in the New Testament were referred to as a sect. Anything any church can say they have happen to them or they do what Jesus did is further proof for them that they are the true church. The latter day saints, the jehovah witness, and the seventh day adventists are similar.
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Post by chris on Jul 22, 2006 12:17:51 GMT -5
I'm not postitve that all workers feel the same about the diety of Christ.
When I left meetings a couple years ago, a worker told me that If I really believed that Jesus was God, then heaven would have been empty for 33 years..............
This really shcked me because I was raised in a Methodist church & then a non-denominational church. I called a frieind who had been professing for 30+ years and ask her "Do you believe Jesus was God?" (She had been raised Catholic) She started out with "The Catholics believe..." I interupted her and ask "I want to know what YOU believe" She stated "I belive Jesus was God"
She listened to the workers for 30+ years and I'm sure she thinks they shared the same thoughts. My question is how can this be? But then I realized I professed for 10 years and the thought never crossed my mind that a worker could belive Jesus was not God!!!!!!
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Post by Nichole M on Jul 22, 2006 21:28:31 GMT -5
I'm not postitve that all workers feel the same about the diety of Christ. When I left meetings a couple years ago, a worker told me that If I really believed that Jesus was God, then heaven would have been empty for 33 years.............. This really shcked me because I was raised in a Methodist church & then a non-denominational church. I called a frieind who had been professing for 30+ years and ask her "Do you believe Jesus was God?" (She had been raised Catholic) She started out with "The Catholics believe..." I interupted her and ask "I want to know what YOU believe" She stated "I belive Jesus was God" She listened to the workers for 30+ years and I'm sure she thinks they shared the same thoughts. My question is how can this be? But then I realized I professed for 10 years and the thought never crossed my mind that a worker could belive Jesus was not God!!!!!! Chris, I was b&r a 2x2 and new nothing about the Deity of Jesus until I went in the work and my 1st companion explained to me that some "worldly Christians" believe that Jesus is God but she told me that is not so. He is in the divine kingdom but he is the Son of God and not God himself. I left the 2x2's a few month ago and this is one of the 1st things that I learned and could see clearly in the scripture - Jesus is God the Son. Sometimes it is hard for me to believe that these same verses I read over before while a 2x2 and I could not see it as they are so clear on this.......It was Gods timing for me to know.. Praise God he is able to open the eyes of those who truly desire Him.
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Post by howard on Jul 23, 2006 7:13:02 GMT -5
"Praise God he is able to open the eyes of those who truly desire Him. "
I echo that. It was not until I joined the F&W that this came clear to me. It was not until a worker showed me this in scripture that I saw it.
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Post by You been riding short bus on Jul 23, 2006 8:57:53 GMT -5
"Praise God he is able to open the eyes of those who truly desire Him. " I echo that. It was not until I joined the F&W that this came clear to me. It was not until a worker showed me this in scripture that I saw it. Sorry you were sooooo slow Howard and couldnt get it for yourself but needed someone to explain it too you. Did you ride the short bus in school?
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Post by Howard The Fake on Jul 23, 2006 9:08:13 GMT -5
"Praise God he is able to open the eyes of those who truly desire Him. " I echo that. It was not until I joined the F&W that this came clear to me. It was not until a worker showed me this in scripture that I saw it. Sorry you were sooooo slow Howard and couldnt get it for yourself but needed someone to explain it too you. Did you ride the short bus in school? Howard is a FAKE and a TOLL. He has nothing of relevence to add as all that he says is opinion. If you look at his posts he swings back and forth on issues, all with the goal of creating discord and argument.
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Post by howard on Jul 23, 2006 9:15:48 GMT -5
Thanks for the compliments from the person who can't even put their name.
Like to be more specific on what I swing back and forth on? Name even one point?
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Post by ilylo on Jul 23, 2006 10:00:37 GMT -5
Like to be more specific on what I swing back and forth on? ...a vine?
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Post by sjg on Jul 23, 2006 10:46:14 GMT -5
The question was posed earlier in this thread about "cults". This may help explain.
What are some characteristics of religious cults?
It is important to understand the characteristics of religious cults in order to identify a cult when we encounter one. So how do we recognize a cult when we see one? Study the following questions regarding the characteristics of religious cults:
· Does the group claim to be a Christian organization or a friend of Christianity, but their teachings misrepresent Christian theology? Most often, the doctrines of the Trinity and salvation by grace alone are misrepresented in a cult's teachings. · Is the group characterized by authoritarianism? Are members who disobey to the slightest degree punished severely or excommunicated? Can a person think and study for themselves or must they rely on the group's leader for all of their instruction? · Is the Bible misinterpreted in the groups teaching? They may claim to interpret the Bible correctly, but does their biblical interpretation stand up under closely examination? · Are members of the group subject to psychological, physical, or spiritual harm? · When asked, can the group provide an accurate and detailed history of the founders and origin of the organization? · Do you sense intimidation or deception within the group or toward outsiders? Are the members manipulated - either by time-manipulation or thought-manipulation? · Is there secrecy?
1 John 3:7 says, "Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray…"
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Post by spiderman on Jul 23, 2006 18:52:34 GMT -5
I'm not postitve that all workers feel the same about the diety of Christ. When I left meetings a couple years ago, a worker told me that If I really believed that Jesus was God, then heaven would have been empty for 33 years.............. This really shcked me because I was raised in a Methodist church & then a non-denominational church. I called a frieind who had been professing for 30+ years and ask her "Do you believe Jesus was God?" (She had been raised Catholic) She started out with "The Catholics believe..." I interupted her and ask "I want to know what YOU believe" She stated "I belive Jesus was God" She listened to the workers for 30+ years and I'm sure she thinks they shared the same thoughts. My question is how can this be? But then I realized I professed for 10 years and the thought never crossed my mind that a worker could belive Jesus was not God!!!!!! Not all that many years ago, the overseer of Texas was booted out of the" truth" for believing and teaching that Jesus was in fact divine, born with no sin, unlike man who is born in sin. That is why His sacrifice can save us from our sins. It's pretty glorious when you think of it that way! God sent part of Himself to earth to save His own creation because He loved us so much. John Starkweather is his name. He was warned several times not to teach this by the head honchos.(Howard Mooney, I can't remember now who all was involved) but he persisted, not being able to preach what he knew to be false doctrine, and was finally booted. I think in some states he was not allowed to even attend meetings. Some workers were scared to death of this "new doctrine" John was teaching. Gaylen VanLoon warned me that it was very dangerous. Now I know why. Once you find that out and realize that an overseer could be kicked out of the way for teaching the real truth about Jesus you MIGHT begin to question other teachings that also seem a little ambiguous , having NO scriptural basis whatsoever.(man that was a long sentence, sorry) I've wondered too sometimes how these excommunicators feel when they supposedly send someone off to hell. I mean according to them if you're not in the way, Jesus sacrifice means nothing to you, right? So then off to hell for you sir or madam. On the other hand I do think there may be some workers and friends who believe that Jesus is now and was always divine. God the Son. I rest assured knowing that all of these strange things are in God's hands. Praise God.
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Post by firstborn on Jul 23, 2006 19:14:38 GMT -5
Thanks for the compliments from the person who can't even put their name. Like to be more specific on what I swing back and forth on? Name even one point? The point of no return!!!
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Post by prokoff on Jul 23, 2006 21:43:03 GMT -5
One way to discern between saved & unsaved workers & friends: those who accept that Jesus is God are saved, those who believe that Jesus is not God are unsaved? Apparently there is some disparity among the friends & workers as to The Trinity.
I am unaware of anything that workers or friends have ever said that condemns anyone to a lost eternity for believing in the trinity. If the workers leave this issue for the faithful to determine for themselves....then I respect that.
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Post by Hilda Borthwick on Jul 29, 2006 16:29:39 GMT -5
I'm sure we all agree that there is "only one spirit" with regards to God. God the Father, Jesus and the Holy Ghost are not three separate spirits, but are one and the same spirit, hence all three are "God !"
God the Father promised to make his abode with us (in spirit), and we must have the Holy Ghost or the indwelling Christ spirit, so all three must be one and the same spirit. We know that God is a spirit and therefore all three must be God.
Furthermore, we know that there is a Godhead (God the Father), and an only begotten Son (Jesus), which are capable of having a separate identity from each other, one being subservient to the other.
Jesus said he and the Father are one. This is the spiritual God. The Holy Ghost is really God the spirit . Unlike God the Father and Jesus the son of God, the Holy Ghost is not a part of God the Spirit which can attain a separate identity. It is merely the spirit which is the Father and Son as "one."
Therefore we do not have a "Trinity," since in effect the Father and Son are "God the Spirit," or Holy Ghost ! We have a Duo when they have their separate identities, or a singular being in spirit ! The Holy Ghost cannot ever be a separate spirit to God, therefore all talk of a Trinity is purely mans' idea and erroneous.
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