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Post by forest on May 6, 2006 4:31:03 GMT -5
Due to the fact that here are not only US or CA reading this question. If anyone know the name Pierre or Peter Bill what do You think about this man who died autumn 2003? He was a Swiss worker (maybe also some years a headworker in Switzerland, Greece etc.)
I had a good contact to him and I saw him as honorable. If I mentioned this name in order to show problems inside 2x2 other workers let me know that they are not agreed with this worker. Maybe he didn't think in all facts like 2x2.
In my opinion he was another worker as others.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2006 5:11:23 GMT -5
Due to the fact that here are not only US or CA reading this question. If anyone know the name Pierre or Peter Bill what do You think about this man who died autumn 2003? He was a Swiss worker (maybe also some years a headworker in Switzerland, Greece etc.) I had a good contact to him and I saw him as honorable. If I mentioned this name in order to show problems inside 2x2 other workers let me know that they are not agreed with this worker. Maybe he didn't think in all facts like 2x2. In my opinion he was another worker as others. We were acquainted with him as he had spent some time in the work in Denmark as well when he was younger (he could speak Danish) Our main involvement with him was regarding a teenage Greek girl that he had sent up to Holland (and a few months to live with us here in Sweden). We appreciated many things about him -- but he was extremely loyal to the organizational 2x2 system -- as it always does, this seemed to force him to abandon the Christian spirit as his responsibilities in the group grew.
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Post by forest on May 6, 2006 6:00:58 GMT -5
We appreciated many things about him -- but he was extremely loyal to the organizational 2x2 system -- as it always does, this forced him to abandon the Christian spirit as his responsibilities in the group grew. in Your opinion he has been also a hardliner?
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2006 6:19:16 GMT -5
We appreciated many things about him -- but he was extremely loyal to the organizational 2x2 system -- as it always does, this seemed to force him to abandon the Christian spirit as his responsibilities in the group grew. in Your opinion he has been also a hardliner? No, I haven't suggested he was a hardliner -- There were lots of 'soft' sides to him -- but when he had to choose between personal Christian conviction, and cult policy -- it was always cult policy that was most important -- He took no risks of confontation with the power elite in the group. There are lots of examples of this. A person doesn't attain responsibility in group leadership without considerable documented loyalty to cult policy. Edgar
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Post by wondering on May 6, 2006 9:02:34 GMT -5
in Your opinion he has been also a hardliner? No, I haven't suggested he was a hardliner -- There were lots of 'soft' sides to him -- but when he had to choose between personal Christian conviction, and cult policy -- it was always cult policy that was most important -- He took no risks of confontation with the power elite in the group. There are lots of examples of this. A person doesn't attain responsibility in group leadership without considerable documented loyalty to cult policy. Edgar I understand that you have started your own cult, how many have joined? or are you alone in your beliefs?
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Post by nothing on May 6, 2006 15:56:29 GMT -5
"this forced him to abandon the Christian spirit "
There's nothing in the beautiful teachings of Jesus that encourages such judgemental attitudes as dsiplayed in this post.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2006 9:57:26 GMT -5
"this forced him to abandon the Christian spirit " There's nothing in the beautiful teachings of Jesus that encourages such judgemental attitudes as dsiplayed in this post. Paul seemed to think it was worth pointing out an even stronger statement to Timothy in 1 Tim 5:15 "For some are already turned aside after Satan."
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Post by turned on May 7, 2006 11:27:42 GMT -5
"this forced him to abandon the Christian spirit " There's nothing in the beautiful teachings of Jesus that encourages such judgemental attitudes as dsiplayed in this post. Paul seemed to think it was worth pointing out an even stronger statement to Timothy in 1 Tim 5:15 "For some are already turned aside after Satan." Sorry to hear of your condition, really sad, ...
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Post by inconsistency on May 7, 2006 15:20:08 GMT -5
"Paul seemed to think it was worth pointing out an even stronger statement to Timothy in 1 Tim 5:15 "For some are already turned aside after Satan.""
Interesting that you use Pauls writings to support something, where elsewhere you reject Pauls writings as not being the words of Jesus.
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Post by and on May 7, 2006 15:55:46 GMT -5
"Paul seemed to think it was worth pointing out an even stronger statement to Timothy in 1 Tim 5:15 "For some are already turned aside after Satan."" Interesting that you use Pauls writings to support something, where elsewhere you reject Pauls writings as not being the words of Jesus. and he even states what Paul did in his ministry was of himself and not of God/not Gods set ministry.
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Post by forest on Aug 10, 2006 15:39:28 GMT -5
in newer time as we asked the workers after PB hardly one had a positive answer about this person. Mostly they were keeping mum. Why?
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Post by Surprised on Aug 10, 2006 17:48:46 GMT -5
in newer time as we asked the workers after PB hardly one had a positive answer about this person. Mostly they were keeping mum. Why? My goodness sake... I feel like vomiting and it's not a joke. I knew him since I was a child, he helped my sick Mom and me... He was a lot in my home. He took care of me for many years, he was really devoted. He was faithfull in writing to people that left! I have proofs!! I know someone that was in this situation and made his choice after his death because of his interest during many years even if that person was far away from the way. He was the most humble worker I ever met. You make me feel so bad. You judge and don't know. What do you want to know? He was swiss, he worked also in Denmark and was the elder in Greece for many years until he died. He was quite ill at the end of his life, his sickness did not last long though. He went to Greece when some problems occured amonst the friends and workers there. He gave his life to the Greek (I've visited them, not easy people really), he had not an easy task but he put his whole hearth in it and he was always a great help in conventions. I knew him well, more than all his Spirit. Friends might me judging wrongly but what I feel by reading you is disgust, lack of respect! Is it fun to search and look absolutely after others faults??? Is that the meaning of this Board? I really wonder what you search about Peter!!?? Let him rest in Peace!
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Post by ilylo on Aug 10, 2006 18:01:37 GMT -5
"this forced him to abandon the Christian spirit " There's nothing in the beautiful teachings of Jesus that encourages such judgemental attitudes as dsiplayed in this post. ...and reply #4 gets a pass?
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Post by forest on Aug 10, 2006 18:05:34 GMT -5
@ Surprised
sorry, would You please read my first post on top?
I asked because I felt a little bit difference between PB and other workers I met. So I asked why they didn't speak well about him. Only my opinion. As far as I understand Your post You have a decent opinion about PB.
I didn't convict or tell some bad things about PB. If You think so You misunderstand me.
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