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Post by observer on Aug 11, 2006 3:23:17 GMT -5
An older sister worker said in G. Mtg this week that we need to stick to the "old way" and not get taken up with the many "new ways" in the world today. She then said, "If something is only 100 or 200 years old it isn't reliable. It's a new way." She then spoke of the importance of going back to Jesus for true foundation principles. I wanted to ask her what she would think of a religious sect that's less than 110 years old, but I was too much of a chicken...
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Post by observer2 on Aug 11, 2006 4:40:26 GMT -5
I was also in that meeting and the way I took it was that she was referring to non-Christian religions that have sprung up recently.
I don't think she was referring to denominations of Christianity, but I could be wrong.
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Post by spiderman on Aug 11, 2006 7:40:00 GMT -5
I was also in that meeting and the way I took it was that she was referring to non-Christian religions that have sprung up recently. I don't think she was referring to denominations of Christianity, but I could be wrong. Why on earth would a sister worker be talking about non Christian new ways? I'm going to go out on a limb here and say, from past experience, that she was talking about new Christian ways. She believes that her fellowship was not started by a man, but by Christ. Anything other than the 2x2's is a "new way". Again only my opinion, but one based on 30 years of listening to and talking to workers.
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Post by new age on Aug 11, 2006 8:10:01 GMT -5
The new age groups are about 50 yrs old now they all claim the bible but add there own doctrines upon it these new age groups promote stuff like yoga diet and such
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2006 8:28:59 GMT -5
This worker was answering your own statement when she "spoke of the importance of going back to Jesus for true foundation" She is referring to foundations in doctrine.
If you meet some Catholic, speaking about Liberation Theology, Jesus and the Environment etc, you can take what he or she is saying as some new doctrine, irrespective of any evidence of any "unbroken line of succession to the apostles"
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Post by Zorro on Aug 11, 2006 9:10:29 GMT -5
This worker was answering your own statement when she "spoke of the importance of going back to Jesus for true foundation" She is referring to foundations in doctrine.
Then she is wrong in this regard, also. The 2x2s reject nearly every orthodox doctrine of Christianity. You continue to confuse the methodology of ministry and fellowship with the core doctrines of salvation and orthodox belief.
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Post by not new on Aug 11, 2006 9:27:40 GMT -5
The new age groups are about 50 yrs old now they all claim the bible but add there own doctrines upon it these new age groups promote stuff like yoga, diet and such Stuff that has been part of many religions for thousands of years as opposed to salvation based on wearing your hair in a bun.
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Post by ursula on Aug 11, 2006 10:06:36 GMT -5
Zorro said The 2x2s reject nearly every orthodox doctrine of Christianity
But thats clearly untrue.
Its correct to say that some doctrines of orthodox (guess this means popular) Christianity, but not true to say nearly every.
Most modern independent (no axe to grind) commentators are critical of 2x2 doctrine but do state that they are "orthodox" in most respects.
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Post by Sully on Aug 11, 2006 10:07:42 GMT -5
I was not there, the first I leaned of it was on this thread, but I can tell you what she meant.
Thats what Zorro is saying.
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Post by Zorro on Aug 11, 2006 10:17:34 GMT -5
Most modern independent (no axe to grind) commentators are critical of 2x2 doctrine but do state that they are "orthodox" in most respects.
Actually, I believe your use of the word "most" is incorrect. I have found one organization that considers 2x2s to be within the mainstream of orthodoxy; however this group consists of a Wixan, a Buddhist, a Muslim and an atheist (religoustolerance.com, in case you're wondering). Any group/commentator that fully understands the 2x2 denial of Christ's deity and exclusive beliefs will immediately consider them outside of orthodoxy.
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Post by so much bitterness here on Aug 11, 2006 19:04:31 GMT -5
Jesus was outside the orthodoxy of his time. And yes folks, you are stating nothing but opinion. What does God think of man's opinion?
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Post by _ on Aug 11, 2006 19:06:36 GMT -5
Jesus was outside the orthodoxy of his time. LOL... this is your excuse? Jesus came to Fullfill the law... he is the new covenant... PLEASE....
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Post by a believer on Aug 11, 2006 19:14:14 GMT -5
Of course the worker was saying that their group goes back to Jesus. She needs to preach the truth and say that her group is the same as every other group and was started by a man the same as every other church but that their founder tried to go back to the teachings of Jesus. No need to say that William Irvine was found out to be a false prophet and all that, but ti at least state that they are no different to other groups and were started at the same time as many other groups were.
Now everyone would fall over if she preached the truth like that. No worker is willing to stand out and be counted with Jesus for telling the truth like that!!
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Post by Zorro on Aug 11, 2006 19:35:27 GMT -5
Jesus was outside the orthodoxy of his time. And yes folks, you are stating nothing but opinion. What does God think of man's opinion?
Interesting that you would compare orthodox beliefs to man's opinion. Orthodox beliefs are the common ground upon which the body of Christ stands.....that's what it means. So....who is the body of Christ and what are the common beliefs held by that body? That's the question. It's difficult for a 2x2 to even consider this concept when they claim that they alone are the body of Christ. So which opinion do believe God prefers? A. One that tries to find common ground between all believers, one that extends the hand of fellowship to another, regardless of diversity of opinion in non-essential matters...or B. One that declares itself alone to be the body of Christ, while rejecting the true body of Christian believers and the doctrines that God himself established in his inspired word?
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