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Post by rjkee on Sept 5, 2007 2:23:23 GMT -5
Hi,
A female worker friend of mine visited a 'friends' home in London several year ago, just prior to moving to a new field. Also visiting were several brother workers. During the visit, the hosts were surprised to find that her suitcase was left outside the house in the street. When they enquired, they were told that she was afraid that the brother workers would give her a hard time about the size of the case she was taking to a new field. Regards
Robert
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Post by bogoso on Sept 5, 2007 3:08:34 GMT -5
I am not professing, I decided to stop attending meetings after a messy divorce in 1993, but don't consider myself to be in the "bitter & twisted" section of the ex-friends. I visit this site to try and find something that may help me to see things more clearly. But I am sad to say that lately there is nothing that helps me either way. Is there another site where things are discussed a little more objectively, or the topics are a little less antagonistic?? Please let me know.
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Post by _ on Sept 5, 2007 3:10:16 GMT -5
I am not professing, I decided to stop attending meetings after a messy divorce in 1993, but don't consider myself to be in the "bitter & twisted" section of the ex-friends. I visit this site to try and find something that may help me to see things more clearly. But I am sad to say that lately there is nothing that helps me either way. Is there another site where things are discussed a little more objectively, or the topics are a little less antagonistic?? Please let me know. 2x2doctrine.proboards104.com/
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Post by ranman77007 on Sept 5, 2007 5:02:30 GMT -5
that board is all but lifeless, and they want to control...giving professing people there "warnings"... speech control is not freedom.... then they post things like "the hymns have been altered, and i don't believe any song writers lyrics should be altered"... let me lay some eminem on them... he won a grammy, writes his own songs, and there are other songs posted there that are not hymns...
lets see if they keep it there....
but it is a nice board, i agree....
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Post by i did i really did on Sept 5, 2007 5:39:29 GMT -5
i hid in paul boyd's suitcase so i could travel the orient... i was really little then. ;D
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Sept 5, 2007 7:50:24 GMT -5
Well you'll have to register so you can PM me. Just post it so it's out in the open. If we're going to post things as fact on this board, we shouldn't have any problem posting the names as well. So long as it's true. Why don't YOU come out in the open??? Lurking in the shadows gives cause to question your motives.
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Post by hawk on Sept 6, 2007 13:31:16 GMT -5
I believe threads like this can be helpful to those who have no idea but blindly follow. Like Wings stated, some workers (and friends) are expected to wear certain colored shoes. That should be important to those who blindly follow and read this board - it reveals rules of which there should be none.
I was fortunate having a middle-aged worker take me on a 'no dollar too high' shopping spree. I had flat-bottomed shoes with no laces and holes in the soles and he helped me pick out two diferent colored pairs of good high quality lace-up rubber-soled shoes, two quality suits, several shirts, and a very nice overcoat.
I kept two pairs of old jeans, a pair of work boots, and a pair of tennis shoes in the trunk of the car. I don't like wearing other people's clothes to work so I had my own. The companion thought my old jeans took up too much space in the trunk. He reminded me of one of the Hardy boys in that he wore nice slacks and a good shirt and tie for work clothing. I figured if I was doing dirt work or helping someone with mechanical problems, I didn't need to soil good slacks. To each his own (depending on the field, state, overseer, and companion).
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Post by Jethro on Sept 6, 2007 13:51:41 GMT -5
Just post it so it's out in the open. If we're going to post things as fact on this board, we shouldn't have any problem posting the names as well. So long as it's true. Why don't YOU come out in the open??? Lurking in the shadows gives cause to question your motives. I'll never register on the TMB. Too many crackpots. But what is more of a lurking in the shadows? Someone who doesn't register or someone who posts a story about a worker and says they'll provide the name but then never does?
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Post by _ on Sept 6, 2007 14:04:03 GMT -5
I'll never register on the TMB. Too many crackpots. How does the amount of crackpots on this board limit your ability to register? This makes absolutely no sense...
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Post by Off track on Sept 6, 2007 14:06:44 GMT -5
Just post it so it's out in the open. If we're going to post things as fact on this board, we shouldn't have any problem posting the names as well. So long as it's true. Why don't YOU come out in the open??? Lurking in the shadows gives cause to question your motives. I wonder where people got the idea angels have wings?
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Sept 6, 2007 14:33:35 GMT -5
Why don't YOU come out in the open??? Lurking in the shadows gives cause to question your motives. I'll never register on the TMB. Too many crackpots. But what is more of a lurking in the shadows? Someone who doesn't register or someone who posts a story about a worker and says they'll provide the name but then never does? <groan>
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Post by wingsofaneagle on Sept 6, 2007 14:37:04 GMT -5
Why don't YOU come out in the open??? Lurking in the shadows gives cause to question your motives. I wonder where people got the idea angels have wings? From John? "I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabitants of the earth,"
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Post by genuine on Sept 6, 2007 15:28:24 GMT -5
Thank you to those who've answered my questions nicely and without criticism! My question was a genuine one, as I am troubled about the work and though clothing should be the last of my concerns, I have heard some horror stories of older very old-fashioned workers chosing your clothes and I know I would find that very difficult to deal with. After all, can you refuse to do as you are told as you are inexperienced and just learning? Has anyone refused and got away with it? I do agree, Hawk, that it is much easier for men!
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Post by hawk on Sept 6, 2007 18:54:07 GMT -5
Thank you to those who've answered my questions nicely and without criticism! My question was a genuine one, as I am troubled about the work and though clothing should be the last of my concerns, I have heard some horror stories of older very old-fashioned workers chosing your clothes and I know I would find that very difficult to deal with. After all, can you refuse to do as you are told as you are inexperienced and just learning? Has anyone refused and got away with it? I do agree, Hawk, that it is much easier for men! You will refuse and get away with it only a few times . . if ever. 'Course, it depends on where this is taking place. If you are truly considering the work, I suggest you ONLY go if you feel God is calling you to do so. Don't go for any other reason and make sure you know it is God calling and not any other influence. If you think workers are talking directly to you in mtgs. about going in the work, you might try getting away from that influence and asking God directly. I do believe God calls people into the work of the 'truth' but I believe it is only for His purpose which may be to shed light on those who are extremely disillusioned and following people rather than Jesus. He may also call you for ulterior reasons. Maybe you will exit and become a pastor for another group having experience in one of the most cult-like religions on the face of the earth. There are many possibilities but I hope you aren't a worker in the 'truth' for the long haul. You will become brain dead and unable to see the light for the Son. Politics rule, money talks, and your calling means nothing in the scheme of things. In fact, you might be more useful as a youth pastor at your local church. Seriously. Consider it. Do you know definitely where God wants you?
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Post by arlis on Sept 7, 2007 1:09:21 GMT -5
Thank you to those who've answered my questions nicely and without criticism! My question was a genuine one, as I am troubled about the work and though clothing should be the last of my concerns, I have heard some horror stories of older very old-fashioned workers chosing your clothes and I know I would find that very difficult to deal with. After all, can you refuse to do as you are told as you are inexperienced and just learning? Has anyone refused and got away with it? I do agree, Hawk, that it is much easier for men! Oh, I can hardly bear to think of it!! Please e-mail me, or register and then PM me. I spent over seven years in the work. The first year was pretty much spent learning to be in complete subjection to my older companion, and not having much of my own personality left. She even dictated whether I took my shower at night or in the morning--when we were batching! Once one learns the lesson of submit, submit, submit, they may put you with some nicer workers, or not. Horrors! There are some real control freaks out there, and you are basically alone with this person to do with you as they will, and made to feel like you are the one at fault, so that you are afraid to speak up. No, we've also been taught to just submit, submit, submit, so we feel that to complain would get us in more trouble. AAAGGGGH I just can't bear to think of someone going into that. There were some good times, preps and special mtgs, when we got to get together with other young workers with a common sorrow. Most of the friends were very good to us. Some even recognized the bad workers, and tried to give a little comfort behind their back. But overall, I feel like those seven years were a waste, and just delayed my growing up and starting a family. I had my second child when I was past 40. I feel like my life is going too quickly and would certainly like to have those years back again. So think very hard about this--no, get very quiet, and listen to your own heart. There may be some ulterior motive for going in the work. Mine was both to please my mother, and to be in a loving, caring environment, that I felt I so lacked in my growing up. I was also afraid of growing up and facing the big bad world, so the work was definitely an escape for me. I guess I've said a lot already, but here is my e-mail address: afeidt@usfamily.net Please e-mail me. I will keep your identity private. Arlis
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Post by oncewas on Sept 7, 2007 14:14:42 GMT -5
This is not a trivial issue. Within any power structure, individuals are often prone to excersizing aggressive control in the most seamingly trivial matters. What your suitcase looks like and contains is but one aspect of the way your life will not be your own. The accumulation of "little things" people find to nit pick about will get to you -- and you will most likely pass it on as you rise in the hierarchy. I speak from first-hand experience, and have tried to be hopeful for the future of the work -- that those rising through the ranks will carry some of their youthful good humor and charity into their elder years. Unfortunately, those types are generally the ones who are left out of major discision-making.
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Post by freespirit on Sept 7, 2007 16:45:35 GMT -5
Arlis, I keep meaning to reply to your post. I've seen some pretty power-hungry workers. I don't know what that's about. Give some people a little authority and they try to lord it over you I guess. Some of them are just out-and-out whacked IMO. One worker took issue with artwork in my house. Another that there were spots on the carpet. Another that I didn't cook a pie the right way. At the time, I wasn't nearly as opinionated or as outspoken as I am now. Now I'd probably tell them that they are welcome to sleep outside, clean up the carpet themselves or eat worms, but as long as they are going to be sleeping in my house, then they will NOT complain about MY provisions. Period. I respect myself. My family doesn't even treat me that way. I'm pretty easy to get along for the most part but people simply don't have a right to treat me like a doormat. I'm nice. I'm not brainless. And if mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy. I think there is a serious social issue--especially for women--with the submit, submit, submit doctrine that is shoved at us. It's submit TO GOD--not submit to every opinion that happens to float our way, or to abuse, or to just any ol' bizarro notions (like when you are allowed to take a bath). God never expected us to blindly submit to freak ideas. People in the bible stood up for themselves, even against kings sometimes--they did it in faith, with kindness, with the hand of God on them--but stand up they did. We gotta go to God and figure stuff out for ourselves. He teaches us when to be strong and when to be soft. Once I did a study on temperance--on how they temper steel so that it can be useful. It needed to be soft enough to be flexible but hard enough to be strong. I liked the analogy because there are a lot of situations (not just religious ones) where that edge of being well-tempered is useful--to know when to take advice and when to it's time to use your own brain. To know when to bend and when to stay straight. IMO, older workers who treat their younger companions deplorably have a lot to answer for. peace, freespirit
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Post by noticed on Sept 7, 2007 17:26:49 GMT -5
that board is all but lifeless, and they want to control...giving professing people there "warnings"... speech control is not freedom.... then they post things like "the hymns have been altered, and i don't believe any song writers lyrics should be altered"... let me lay some eminem on them... he won a grammy, writes his own songs, and there are other songs posted there that are not hymns... lets see if they keep it there.... but it is a nice board, i agree.... wtf?
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Post by arlis on Sept 8, 2007 0:03:51 GMT -5
Thank you to both freespirit and oncewas for your supportive posts. I was really quite young and vulnerable when I started in the work. Since leaving the work, I have had a ton of counselling, plus a group therapy class for women in abusive relationships. If I were put in those same situations today, I know I just would not tolerate it. But I was ill-equipped and insecure, and just thought I had to take it.
However, I do want to make it clear that there are some workers out there who are really decent, loving, sincere, people who do treat their younger companions with respect, and sincerely believe in what they are teaching.
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