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Post by Enough is Enough on Sept 3, 2007 14:33:00 GMT -5
I think we have discussed Tim's situation to the fullest. Perhaps now we can stop discussing it and just sit back and pray for the families who have been hurt, pray that any family who may have been hurt may come forward that they can have help and closure as well, pray for God's will to be played out in this situation, and even pray for Tim (that he will get what he needs whatever that may be.... only God knows e.g. jail time, professional help)
We can pray for all involved until we see what the full extent of the charges are and see what Tim gets.
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Post by ranman77007 on Sept 3, 2007 14:37:06 GMT -5
i guess, if you just have to stop talking about this, okay... but i was just getting into it.... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D (sarcasm) dwelling on it Guest---- aka ----CalmRanmandaze
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Post by not enough on Sept 3, 2007 14:37:28 GMT -5
Its not enough. While the original topic was a disgusting situation, and a real worry for parents and others, its not enough to stop here. This topic is an ideal one to use to condemn all 2x2s. We can use this to show how there are a huge number of conspiracies being swept under the carpet, that all manner of scandal exists etc.
This one can be milked a lot more yet, just you see....
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Post by guesttoday on Sept 3, 2007 16:06:10 GMT -5
Nathan the prophet to David after he had Uriah killed.
"Howbeit, because by this deed you have given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme"
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Post by ithascome on Sept 3, 2007 16:14:53 GMT -5
Are you an enemy of the LORD... hope not!
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Post by translator on Sept 3, 2007 18:19:17 GMT -5
I think we have discussed Tim's situation to the fullest. Perhaps now we can stop discussing it and just sit back and pray for the families who have been hurt, pray that any family who may have been hurt may come forward that they can have help and closure as well, pray for God's will to be played out in this situation, and even pray for Tim (that he will get what he needs whatever that may be.... only God knows e.g. jail time, professional help) We can pray for all involved until we see what the full extent of the charges are and see what Tim gets. Translation: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah Stop it you guys; You guys are bein mean. *SOB* Stop pickin on the workers; They're innocent; They never hurt nobody. *WHIMPER* They'll find Tim innocent; Just wait and see. Stop talkin about this stuff on the internet. Stop pickin on God's one true way an his only true people. Stop it guys; Stop it now; Now I said, NOW! *SOB* Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
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Post by jh62 on Sept 3, 2007 19:12:31 GMT -5
I don't see it as the original poster was whining at all! Seems to me they're just saying that maybe, just maybe, THIRTEEN threads on this page about workers, or one in particular, molesting someone is enough already. It could be getting a bit towards the obsessive side, don't ya think?
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Post by PDK on Sept 3, 2007 19:27:26 GMT -5
Translation: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah Stop it you guys; You guys are bein mean. *SOB*
Oversimplification grande.
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Post by Jessi on Sept 3, 2007 20:02:37 GMT -5
I don't see it as the original poster was whining at all! Seems to me they're just saying that maybe, just maybe, THIRTEEN threads on this page about workers, or one in particular, molesting someone is enough already. It could be getting a bit towards the obsessive side, don't ya think? Yeah, I mean what's the big deal? A child got molested by a preacher . . . I mean, talk about boring--who wants to ponder and mull over some children who have just been scarred for life by someone Jesus said they could trust. John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.So, yeah, let's forget about it and have a party. Let's talk about bunheads and appearance and whether to wear panty hose or jewelry. That's certainly more important than a preacher molesting a child in THE ONE TRUE CHURCH. No one is saved unless they go to this church and are molested by at least one worker? Let's be done with this monotony already. Let's get on with the good, juicy stuff like whether gold laced rubber bands are OK to wear in your bun to convention. Maybe it's important and there are many threads about it because it NOT NORMAL FOR A PREACHER TO MOLEST CHILDREN??? Perhaps it's become so commonplace that it's just plain boring for you? Christ's Forever, Jessi
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Post by Twin1 on Sept 3, 2007 22:56:22 GMT -5
For all of you who rip on the workers and the religion......YOU BETTER MAKE SURE YOU ARE RIGHT. Standing before God someday will be quite a jolt......when God dimisses you by saying, "My way was perfect, my people were not."
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Post by I have no doubts on Sept 3, 2007 22:58:26 GMT -5
at all that Jesus is the way. Those following the workers - better wake up and the jolt will be yours.
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Post by to twin1 on Sept 3, 2007 22:59:00 GMT -5
For all of you who rip on the workers and the religion......YOU BETTER MAKE SURE YOU ARE RIGHT. Standing before God someday will be quite a jolt......when God dimisses you by saying, "My way was perfect, my people were not." yawn...where have we heard this tripe before.... oh yeah... from 2x2s. Good luck with that.
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Post by wanttobewithGod on Sept 3, 2007 23:16:50 GMT -5
wow, do I ever agree, OP! (oh, and it must be because " I condone Tim's actions" or something like that) *eye roll* M.
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Post by ranman77007 on Sept 4, 2007 1:33:54 GMT -5
Nathan the prophet to David after he had Uriah killed. "Howbeit, because by this deed you have given great occasion to the enemies of the LORD to blaspheme" thats pretty good. ty. i felt the Spirit there... thank you. thank you...
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Post by ranman77007 on Sept 4, 2007 1:38:34 GMT -5
I don't see it as the original poster was whining at all! Seems to me they're just saying that maybe, just maybe, THIRTEEN threads on this page about workers, or one in particular, molesting someone is enough already. It could be getting a bit towards the obsessive side, don't ya think? Yeah, I mean what's the big deal? A child got molested by a preacher . . . I mean, talk about boring--who wants to ponder and mull over some children who have just been scarred for life by someone Jesus said they could trust. John 5:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.So, yeah, let's forget about it and have a party. Let's talk about bunheads and appearance and whether to wear panty hose or jewelry. That's certainly more important than a preacher molesting a child in THE ONE TRUE CHURCH. No one is saved unless they go to this church and are molested by at least one worker? Let's be done with this monotony already. Let's get on with the good, juicy stuff like whether gold laced rubber bands are OK to wear in your bun to convention. Maybe it's important and there are many threads about it because it NOT NORMAL FOR A PREACHER TO MOLEST CHILDREN??? Perhaps it's become so commonplace that it's just plain boring for you? Christ's Forever, Jessi actually, i'm just not interested in hearing about molestation... i don't do it, i don't like people who do, it sounds sick, if that guy did it, lock him up, and i don't want to see him, or hear about this again.... hell, i'd rather talk about gold laced rubberbands in a girls hair anyday !!!
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Post by PDK on Sept 4, 2007 2:05:41 GMT -5
yawn...where have we heard this tripe before.... oh yeah... from 2x2s. Good luck with that.
How'd you respond if someone described your beliefs as "tripe"?
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Post by PDK on Sept 4, 2007 2:09:19 GMT -5
Maybe it's important and there are many threads about it because it NOT NORMAL FOR A PREACHER TO MOLEST CHILDREN??? Perhaps it's become so commonplace that it's just plain boring for you?
Reformed men have molested kids too. Perhaps judgement should start at home. It is a terrible offence for this to ensue, But let's remember: no church stands alone.
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Post by Not really on Sept 4, 2007 2:18:42 GMT -5
I think we have discussed Tim's situation to the fullest. Perhaps now we can stop discussing it and just sit back and pray for the families who have been hurt, pray that any family who may have been hurt may come forward that they can have help and closure as well, pray for God's will to be played out in this situation, and even pray for Tim (that he will get what he needs whatever that may be.... only God knows e.g. jail time, professional help) We can pray for all involved until we see what the full extent of the charges are and see what Tim gets. Translation: Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah Stop it you guys; You guys are bein mean. *SOB* Stop pickin on the workers; They're innocent; They never hurt nobody. *WHIMPER* They'll find Tim innocent; Just wait and see. Stop talkin about this stuff on the internet. Stop pickin on God's one true way an his only true people. Stop it guys; Stop it now; Now I said, NOW! *SOB* Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah You can translate it t his way if you want. The truth is I no longer go to meetings. I never have believed the truth is the only way. I have never been close to any workers. I just don't get the whole thing of flogging a dead horse. Basically Tim got caught molesting a child, and now is in jail. The workers did something good by sending out a letter, which is what should of been done. Now there has been no progress with the case. Everything remains the same as it has done a week ago, and yet people are still talking about this as if it just happened. Perhaps we can wait till their has been some progress with the case, and then speak about it again. But until then better then flogging a dead horse, perhaps would be to pray for all involved. Oh, and the maturity of your response shows just what a troll you are. You post hardly deserves a response. But I thought I would set you straight anyway.
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Post by Not really on Sept 4, 2007 2:22:36 GMT -5
This bit was suppose to be under the quote box... opppsssss
You can translate it t his way if you want. The truth is I no longer go to meetings. I never have believed the truth is the only way. I have never been close to any workers.
I just don't get the whole thing of flogging a dead horse.
Basically Tim got caught molesting a child, and now is in jail. The workers did something good by sending out a letter, which is what should of been done.
Now there has been no progress with the case. Everything remains the same as it has done a week ago, and yet people are still talking about this as if it just happened.
Perhaps we can wait till their has been some progress with the case, and then speak about it again. But until then better then flogging a dead horse, perhaps would be to pray for all involved.
Oh, and the maturity of your response shows just what a troll you are. You post hardly deserves a response. But I thought I would set you straight anyway.
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Post by Twin2 on Sept 4, 2007 9:16:31 GMT -5
For all of you who rip on the workers and the religion......YOU BETTER MAKE SURE YOU ARE RIGHT. Standing before God someday will be quite a jolt......when God dimisses you by saying, "My way was perfect, my people were not." For all of you who rip on the worldly preachers and their religions......YOU BETTER MAKE SURE YOU ARE RIGHT. Standing before God someday will be quite a jolt......when God dimisses you by saying, "My blood was sufficient for them, yet you judged it insufficient."
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Post by Amen on Sept 4, 2007 9:23:47 GMT -5
AMEN to that sista!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2007 9:24:05 GMT -5
quote - "For all of you who rip on the worldly preachers and their religions......YOU BETTER MAKE SURE YOU ARE RIGHT. Standing before God someday will be quite a jolt......when God dimisses you by saying, "My blood was sufficient for them, yet you judged it insufficient." "
I am quite happy to "rip" (accuse? criticize? condemn?) worldly preachers. In fact, they do it to themselves when they continually change their doctrines, and condemn their previous generations.
I wouldn't judge a church by the failure of some its members, but it is important to judge a church by what it agrees upon.
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Post by not Not really on Sept 4, 2007 9:27:31 GMT -5
This bit was suppose to be under the quote box... opppsssss You can translate it t his way if you want. The truth is I no longer go to meetings. I never have believed the truth is the only way. I have never been close to any workers. I just don't get the whole thing of flogging a dead horse. Basically Tim got caught molesting a child, and now is in jail. The workers did something good by sending out a letter, which is what should of been done. Now there has been no progress with the case. Everything remains the same as it has done a week ago, and yet people are still talking about this as if it just happened. Perhaps we can wait till their has been some progress with the case, and then speak about it again. But until then better then flogging a dead horse, perhaps would be to pray for all involved. Oh, and the maturity of your response shows just what a troll you are. You post hardly deserves a response. But I thought I would set you straight anyway. In the interest of protecting our children, I fail to see where this transitions from being informative to "flogging a dead horse". This issue needs exposure and if repetition of the issue is the only way to do it, so be it. This church has a problem and many of its members are ignorant which can place their children in danger. Sometimes I wonder if the "flogging a dead horse" belly-achers are people waiting for molestation to become so common-place that our society no longer takes notice of it so they can continue with what they are doing with less fear of being discovered and punished as severely.
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Post by frightening on Sept 4, 2007 9:29:33 GMT -5
quote - "For all of you who rip on the worldly preachers and their religions......YOU BETTER MAKE SURE YOU ARE RIGHT. Standing before God someday will be quite a jolt......when God dimisses you by saying, "My blood was sufficient for them, yet you judged it insufficient." " I am quite happy to "rip" (accuse? criticize? condemn?) worldly preachers. In fact, they do it to themselves when they continually change their doctrines, and condemn their previous generations.
I wouldn't judge a church by the failure of some its members, but it is important to judge a church by what it agrees upon. How about that!!! !!! Blasphemy with gusto!
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Post by jh62 on Sept 4, 2007 9:32:16 GMT -5
Jessi, I'm not even sure of how to begin to answer your post. Let me make this very clear, I care about the children deeply, as does anyone else who has said there are enough posts about this already.
You say, "let's forget about it and have a party"....I'd absolutely love to Jesse. And before you start judging me, let me tell you something. As a child, I won't say I was molested, but I was put in some VERY difficult sexual situations, that made me extremely uncomfortable. This wasn't done by workers but by people that I would have to see for the rest of my life. Guess what...I forgave these people, have realized they live in a hell all their own, and I moved on. Is child molestation something I want to think about obsessively? Hell no! You can bet that I watched my kids like a momma bear, and not just around strangers!
My suggestion would be instead of so many numerous posts on this, there would be one sticky post on the main page, as information for those who don't know this exists. Don't get me wrong, I believe that those who brought action in this matter are to be commended.
And for your information, Jesse, this really isn't just a 2x2 issue...it's a world-wide issue, and it's not something new. I'm sure it's gone on throughout time. Another suggestion I have for you....instead of so many posts on here, do something about it. Become a volunteer for a hotline or something, but all of the posts are an uncomfortable constant reminder for some of us. You asked if it was just plain boring to me...no....it's very uncomfortable.
And, if you REALLY want to be christian-like, stop with the attitude, and start praying for everyone involved, even the worker who did it. Maybe if we all did a lot less posting, and a lot more praying, it might work out better.
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Post by same in truth on Sept 4, 2007 9:35:08 GMT -5
I am quite happy to "rip" (accuse? criticize? condemn?) worldly preachers. In fact, they do it to themselves when they continually change their doctrines, and condemn their previous generations. Same thing happens in your church bert. The difference is they just don't write it down. (This way, there's less accountability and people like you can say, like you will in your next post(s), that your church's doctrine doesn't change. (After all, there's no written record of what you believe - just a bunch of rumors on the internet.) Plausible deniability. How convenient.)
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Post by judge not on Sept 4, 2007 9:37:59 GMT -5
I wouldn't judge a church by the failure of some its members, but it is important to judge a church by what it agrees upon. A church is it's members, bert. And in some cases, 2x2ism for example, its members agree on nothing. So judging your church based on what its members agree on would be judging it on... NOTHING... exactly what you want. How transparent.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2007 9:45:09 GMT -5
Wots to write down Does the bible tell us to write doctrines, or to live them Isn't it already done for us Wots to disagree on We understand the principles of Christ's life, as shown by His Example
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